are enlisted personnel required to salute cadets? I was reading something that said Warrant were between Cadets and Commissioned Officers, so that MUST put Cadets above enlisted, right??

AR 600-25 states that you only salute officers (commissioned and warrant) in every branch in the military and officers of friendly foreign nations when recognized as such. Cadets are not considered to be commissioned until they are 2LT.

I know that at ROTC, college, or wherever, cadets exchange salutes amongst each other.

I know that you are not required to, but when I run into a cadet, I do it just to be polite.

I know one thing for sure... you aren't going to catch me saluting any cadets. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I ran into a 2nd LT one time that was fresh out of school. Now I am not the youngest chicken in the coop, I was probably old enough to be this kid's mother. I saluted him and he got a look of shock on his face. He hesitated saluting me back, and when he did, the only word out of his mouth was, "Duuude!"! I wonder if that was the greeting of the day? :lol:

[quote:ce722dd5ab="NCO_OF_THE_YEAR"]I know one thing for sure... you aren't going to catch me saluting any cadets. :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote:ce722dd5ab]

lol thats what I said. My best friend is in ROTC with all this diamond rank crap on his bdu cap; expecting me to salute him lol.

while I was in AIT about 6 months ago, we had jrotc running around on one of their "field trip to AIT" days. I have never felt so worthless, as to when the DS at the head of our Company formation saluted one of their JROTC officers, with us at attention. :roll:

Just stumbled across your posts... yes, Senior Cadets should be saluted, but to the best of my knowledge there's no guidelines indicating the same courtesy should be extended to JROTC Cadets...
-Will
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CC Circular 145-11-98
Headquarters, United States Army


Chapter 3
Service with Units
Section I
Status of Cadets and Military Courtesy
3-1. Status.
a. ROTC cadets are not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) and are not eligible for com-mand. They will not be placed in any position requiring them to act directly for the commander such as duty officer, handling of any public funds, or records pertain-ing to same; nor in any position requiring an officer's certificate. Cadets will not be issued weapons where the use of deadly force may be authorized. Subject to these limitations, cadets may serve any duty normally assigned to lieutenants, including officer-of-the-guard or officer-of-the-day, if such duties are performed under the supervi-sion of the staff duty officer.
b. While serving in leadership positions, ROTC cadets are not authorized to issue orders to individual enlisted members; however, [b:00a939ac4c]commanders are encouraged to ensure that cadets are given courtesies and respect normally reserved for officers of the U.S. Army[/b:00a939ac4c]. [b:00a939ac4c]Their military rank is above that of enlisted personnel, but below that of commissioned or warrant officers. [/b:00a939ac4c]

c. [b:00a939ac4c]Socially, ROTC cadets will be treated as junior officers sharing fully in the normal social and recreational opportunities available to officers of the command. [/b:00a939ac4c]Cadets should live in Bachelor Officer Quarters (BOQs) when possible (JFTR, Paragraph U4400) and should be extended guest privileges in the Officers' Open Mess. Existing regulations do not preclude cadets from drinking alcoholic beverages; however, cadets will be required to conform to post regulations and state laws. Cadets are granted off-duty privileges as officers within the combat readiness limitations of the unit to which assigned.

d. Initial orientation for the ROTC cadet will be that normally given a newly assigned officer (App C).
3-2. Duties.
a. Cadets will serve as platoon leaders or in an equiva-lent officer position and will perform duties that are normally given a newly assigned second lieutenant.
b. Special demonstrations, orientation tours, or brief-ings on unit or post operations are not desired. Cadets have a background in military courtesy, dismounted drill, small arms marksmanship, instruction techniques, squad and platoon tactics, and other basic subjects. The cadet's familiarity with larger units, crew-served weapons, tactics, and administration beyond the platoon level is limited. With adequate guidance and preparation time, cadets can be expected to contribute to the accomplishment of unit training missions. Emphasis should be placed on the cadet becoming a part of the unit as rapidly as possible so that he/she can make a substantive contribution to the accomplishment of its mission.
3-3. Military courtesy. Cadets will serve in officer positions. [b:00a939ac4c]Enlisted personnel will be encouraged to salute cadets and address them as "Sir" or Ma'am" or by their title and surname (e.g., "Mister Jones" or "Miss Jones"). [/b:00a939ac4c]Official correspondence will refer to them as cadets (e.g., "Cadet Jones"). Cadets will not be referred to as "third lieutenants". Commanders will ensure the personnel of his/her command understand these instructions.

thank you!! I had an idea, but that made it all very clear!

Who in here agrees with saluting cadets. Ok, we'll even narrow it down to what that previous post stated "senior cadets". Just reading that post tells me two things:

1) We are '[i:723d863c71]encouraged [/i:723d863c71] to salute....

2) For all the things that cadets CAN"T do... (which is basically everything military related), why should I salute? They hold NO position of authority...NO position to issue me orders...and are in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY somebody that i'll report too......So...why should we salute?

Of course, now that i see it in writing it is a bit different...i'm going to get (try) a copy of this CC Circular 145-11-98. By the way....what does CC stand for??????

Again....just my opinion.

If I am reading this circular correctly, I beleive that it is stateing that these courtesies should be given to cadets serving in officer positions. Any one else read it this way?

I am a 2nd year cadet in the SROTC in Phila. After Advanced Camp cadets are more or less 2LTs. We just have to be commissioned after graduation. I have personally seen NCOs salute officer cadets. In my opinion, I wouldn't mind if I was saluted or not. Even when I get the bar on my cap, I still am going to more or less be on the bottom rung, (as viewed by the people under me) and I would not make a big deal if anyone did or didn't salute me. It's all a matter of showing respect. As much as some enlisted dislike newly commissioned officers and soon to be officers, some have worked hard to get where they are, and respect should be a two way street.

As a former Cadet, the only thing saluting a cadet does is give them respect before they've earned it. The Salute is our professions' trademark and should not be cheapened by undeserved rendering, jest, or other misuse. And remember that not all cadets become officers and therefore might not deserve the respect inherint in this courtesy. The salute is rendered by the lower rank to show respect and loyalty to their superiors. For this homage the ranking individual should return the salute in appretiation of this honor in a sharp and professional manner (for this reason sloppy half assed salute piss me off regardless of rank :evil: ). So no I would say don't salute the cadet.

This is just a point that i [i:63d17e9d03]think[/i:63d17e9d03] i have..... a cadet isn't commissioned. The rule is to salute commissioned officers. It is true that a cadet is 'studying' to become one....however, you don't call a Doctor , Doctor until s/he has their PhD. So i'm not sure if it is one of the Army's gray areas or not. I don't fully understand that circular. Again...anyone know what CC stands for?

CC- Combat Command