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I have a quick question, I failed a weight and tape the day before I were to be pinned E-5, unprofessional I know but thats not the question. My flag got submitted the same day as my promotion. So as of right now I am an E-5 in the eyes of my Battalion, but paperwork wise i am still an E-4. Is there any way that I can resolve this in the fastest possible way, hopefully without loosing my rank?
 
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really.... you need to ask a internet forum what is the fastest way for you to get a flag lifted for being overweight?

your an NCO now. you are suppose to have mastered the 10 level stuff (the basics).

eat better, and exercise more.
 
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If you failed a tape test and they flagged you, then you were flagged for Entry into the Weight Control Program. The only way to have the flag removed is to come off the program and that means passing tape.

Now, since I have a curiosity. To clarify, you failed tape on the 31st and the flag was initiated on the 1st? I only ask, because sometimes people get confused with pin on dates and date of promotion. Not all units pin Soldiers on the first day of the month, but the effective date of promotion would be the first.

Why were you administered a tape test?
 
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Originally posted by 11C114225:
I have a quick question, I failed a weight and tape the day before I were to be pinned E-5, unprofessional I know but thats not the question. My flag got submitted the same day as my promotion. So as of right now I am an E-5 in the eyes of my Battalion, but paperwork wise i am still an E-4. Is there any way that I can resolve this in the fastest possible way, hopefully without loosing my rank?


that is what we call an errouneous promotion, your S1 needs to do the paperwork to ensure your promotion is revoked and you do NOT get promoted to SGT, you have no place wearing stripes or leading Soldiers if you cant even meet the standard.


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If you failed a tape test and they flagged you, then you were flagged for Entry into the Weight Control Program. The only way to have the flag removed is to come off the program and that means passing tape.

Now, since I have a curiosity. To clarify, you failed tape on the 31st and the flag was initiated on the 1st? I only ask, because sometimes people get confused with pin on dates and date of promotion. Not all units pin Soldiers on the first day of the month, but the effective date of promotion would be the first.

Why were you administered a tape test?


If he failed the tape test on the 31st and failed it, even if he got flagged on the first, the effective date of the flag is the 31st, which makes his promotion an erroneous promotion and needs to be revoked. The reason to get taped does not matter, but I bet it has to do with the fact that not only is he fat, he looks it so once his unit found out he made cut off they want to make sure he does not walk around with stripes showing people the wrong example of what an NCO is.


Lead by Example!!!
 
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Im not asking how to get my flag lifted, I already know how to do that. I asking how to get this problem fixed. If thats me going back down to specialist until I get my flag lifted, then so be it. Even if it isnt what I want its the right thing to do.
 
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Im not even fat, but thank you for your concern TransAm95NCO. I failed it by 1% and I did a intra-battalion transfer and they held a 100% Height and Weight. I am almost positive that there are far worst off NCO's that I am, what do you propose? Striping 1SG's and SFC their rank because they shouldn't be leading soldiers? Dont act like they aren't out there. Thanks for the help, I thought the Backbone of the Army where supposed to stick together, not bash someone every chance they get. I never asked how to get my flag removed faster, I asked whats the best way to fix this situation, HOPEFULLY without loosing my rank. My gaining unit had no idea that I made the by name roster because I transfered over there 2 days before it happened.

Thanks for the help,
Have a nice day
 
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I think we all need some clarification on what you mean by "fix" the situation. You are being vague at best as to what you are asking for advice about. Your promotion is effective at midnight on the 1st day of the month after you made cut-off. The question we all need answered what is your effective DOR, and what day were you taped? If you were taped prior to the 1st, than TransAm95NCO is correct in stating that your promotion to Sergeant is erroneous and you should be reduced to Specialist until you pass the tape, regain promotable status, and make cut-off again. That is likely the course of action your gaining unit unfortunately. As for NCOs sticking together, it is clear that you have much to learn about what it means to be an NCO. We don't throw each other under the bus, and we will look out for one another so long as our peers are doing the right thing. We don't turn a blind eye or a deaf ear to something that is wrong, but as professionals we assist and mentor our peers in correcting deficiencies and meeting, if not, exceeding the standard. If one of my fellow NCOs is wrong, it is my responsibility to police up my battle buddy and get him right so that we exude the qualities an NCO should have, or at the very least give the perception of said atributes; After all, we are who we are no matter what people think of us. Long story short, eat smart, excercise a bit more, and find a good mentor to show you the ropes, being an NCO comes with more than what meets the eye.
 
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honestly at this point, and im not going to go in whats right or wrong...

i would cut all soda, and bad food and hit the gym for the next week or 2. spending atleast an hour doign various excerises, but also a good amount of time in the sauna and get that 1% off and then get retaped.

for only 1%, it might be easier... it still doesnt make up for the fact you failed it the first time, but just like an AFPT, you can request a retape any time you want.

maybe you just had a big meal the night before???
 
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Originally posted by 11C114225:
Im not even fat, but thank you for your concern TransAm95NCO. I failed it by 1% and I did a intra-battalion transfer and they held a 100% Height and Weight. I am almost positive that there are far worst off NCO's that I am, what do you propose? Striping 1SG's and SFC their rank because they shouldn't be leading soldiers? Dont act like they aren't out there. Thanks for the help, I thought the Backbone of the Army where supposed to stick together, not bash someone every chance they get. I never asked how to get my flag removed faster, I asked whats the best way to fix this situation, HOPEFULLY without loosing my rank. My gaining unit had no idea that I made the by name roster because I transfered over there 2 days before it happened.

Thanks for the help,
Have a nice day


You asked what the fastest way to fix this and possibly not lose your rank, that means you are finding ways to keep a promotion you did not earn, also, b/c I am an NCO, I do not want another "cant meet the standard" NCO in our ranks, YOU could be that 1SG or SFC that is way off the standards, they werent all that fat when they pinned SGT, I bet they were just "1%" over like you...THe point is, you have an erroneous promotion, you should not keep SGT, you should be flagged for KA (overweight), lose your promotable and earn it again when you meet the standard.


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Originally posted by 11C114225:
Im not even fat, but thank you for your concern TransAm95NCO. I failed it by 1% and I did a intra-battalion transfer and they held a 100% Height and Weight. I am almost positive that there are far worst off NCO's that I am, what do you propose? Striping 1SG's and SFC their rank because they shouldn't be leading soldiers? Dont act like they aren't out there. Thanks for the help, I thought the Backbone of the Army where supposed to stick together, not bash someone every chance they get. I never asked how to get my flag removed faster, I asked whats the best way to fix this situation, HOPEFULLY without loosing my rank. My gaining unit had no idea that I made the by name roster because I transfered over there 2 days before it happened.

Thanks for the help,
Have a nice day


You asked what the fastest way to fix this and possibly not lose your rank, that means you are finding ways to keep a promotion you did not earn, also, b/c I am an NCO, I do not want another "cant meet the standard" NCO in our ranks, YOU could be that 1SG or SFC that is way off the standards, they werent all that fat when they pinned SGT, I bet they were just "1%" over like you...THe point is, you have an erroneous promotion, you should not keep SGT, you should be flagged for KA (overweight), lose your promotable and earn it again when you meet the standard.


YOU need to lead by example guy, why dont you help him instead of interperting it into your own words and making stuff up...if you want to know about overweight, flags etc look up AR600-8-2 page 9-38....read it, it says for unrecommendation for auto promotions flags cannot be active for longer than 2 working days after your auto promotion is/was in effect...
 
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