Originally posted by Smittaayy: All I hear nowadays when people discuss the war is blah, blah, frickin blah. Its the same crap we've been talking about for 4 years. Stay, pull out, nuke 'em, negotiate, "surge", cut and run... I'm so mentally fatigued with all of it. Can't someone choose a course of action and then just run it into the ground? Instead they put one plan into motion, parachute out of it, then take off in a new idea, only to contemplate jumping out of that one and wish they had brought another parachute. If you catch my drift...
I agree with you 100%.
That being said, my personal opinion is that both wars are completely worthless. I have been to both locations, and I would like to think after extensive language training and interacting with the culture I would say there is no reason to be there.
Those idiots hold grudges for MILLENNIUMS so unless the U.S. and its people are willing to stay on board for a few thousand years, I say forget it now.
Example: the Iranians STILL hate the Arabs because the Arabs conquered them in like 650 AD. That is the way all of those cultures work. "Staying the course," unless it's for about 1500 years, is not going to work.
Originally posted by SSGGunbunny: I just want to know how you pull out of a fight with an enemy that's global? Most the guys we're fighting over there came from other countries to fight us...I guess we can build space ships and launch to the moon.
Leaving Iraq solves nothing, fighting won't end, not even for us.
If that's the case why not just give the Iraqi's a month or two to evacuate Iraq and then level the country?
Hell yeah! If we can't have it, then no one can have it! Not even those pesky indigenous peoples!
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Originally posted by LAWDOG: lol... ..don't run for office , ever. I know you were kidding and I sometimes feel the same way. Just don't want to see you end up like George Allen.
Nonsense, Smittaay could run for office, especially with that attitude. Hell it's worked for ole' G. dub for this long, lol.
Geeze, look at all the tools running this year. Same old same old. If Hillary or Obama get the Democratic candidacy, I'm voting for them just to mix it up a bit.
Let's see... 13 more years and I'm eligible to run. See you guys then! Vote for Smitty!!
Because if we leave the Iraqi's will have to do things for themselves, and pay for their freedom with their own lives instead of ours!!!!Oh the horror!!!
Originally posted by SSGGunbunny: blah blah blah.. Bush lied. Get over THAT.
Deal with the real problems our being there will become if we leave, forgive me if I am not naive enough to believe those terrorists won't celebrate that as a victory and double their efforts.
Maybe they will all throw in the towel once we leave. Right. Things will get better for us when we leave. Right
As long as the job is unfinished, nothing gets better for anyone. End of story...Open that history book of yours and point out where your plan has succeeded in the past and while your at it, look up the cost of American lives gaining freedom in past wars. Then report back with your findings, wars cost lives. If you can't handle that, don't volunteer to serve because we are in a business where we may end up getting killed doing our job.
I personally don't like this President, didn't care for the last one either...sure as hell didnt vote for either.
However, I try to look at the WHOLE picture and use my mind before jumping to some knee jerk reaction because I am upset about something that can't EVER be changed. Why we went? Who gives a crap, that's for politicians to bicker about.
I am a chess player and war is a heck of a lot like chess...don't think several moves ahead and see where that gets you. Focus on PAST mistakes and see where that gets you.
I want America to come out on top and if that means pissing off some people or running the risk of dying over in some third world crap hole...thats what it means.
Also, the Dems ain't pulling anyone out of anywhere...they are playing politics and trying to get a Dem elected president. Mark my words...regardless of who goes in office we stay and fight. They may reduce, then send more back in but every thinking strategist knows what I know. We do not benefit from pulling out now, we stand to LOSE even more than we already have. You just haven't looked that far ahead yet.
War isn't about the battle going on now, war is about five battle from now. It always has been.
lol...it always easier to talk about this stuff from tradoc bases
Originally posted by SSGGunbunny: blah blah blah.. Bush lied. Get over THAT.
Deal with the real problems our being there will become if we leave, forgive me if I am not naive enough to believe those terrorists won't celebrate that as a victory and double their efforts.
Maybe they will all throw in the towel once we leave. Right. Things will get better for us when we leave. Right
As long as the job is unfinished, nothing gets better for anyone. End of story...Open that history book of yours and point out where your plan has succeeded in the past and while your at it, look up the cost of American lives gaining freedom in past wars. Then report back with your findings, wars cost lives. If you can't handle that, don't volunteer to serve because we are in a business where we may end up getting killed doing our job.
I personally don't like this President, didn't care for the last one either...sure as hell didnt vote for either.
However, I try to look at the WHOLE picture and use my mind before jumping to some knee jerk reaction because I am upset about something that can't EVER be changed. Why we went? Who gives a crap, that's for politicians to bicker about.
I am a chess player and war is a heck of a lot like chess...don't think several moves ahead and see where that gets you. Focus on PAST mistakes and see where that gets you.
I want America to come out on top and if that means pissing off some people or running the risk of dying over in some third world crap hole...thats what it means.
Also, the Dems ain't pulling anyone out of anywhere...they are playing politics and trying to get a Dem elected president. Mark my words...regardless of who goes in office we stay and fight. They may reduce, then send more back in but every thinking strategist knows what I know. We do not benefit from pulling out now, we stand to LOSE even more than we already have. You just haven't looked that far ahead yet.
War isn't about the battle going on now, war is about five battle from now. It always has been.
lol...it always easier to talk about this stuff from tradoc bases
Have yall seen these people? Some of them seem to care, but for the most part they look real pissed that we're here. Another thing is that the IA and IPs don't seem to give a crap. Most people here seem lazy and hateful. One cool thing, though is the rise of CIVILIAN volunteers everywhere here. I think that the future of Iraq lies with these guys. They are the only ones that seem to have any sense. If only that sense of responsibility would transfer over to thir military....
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Originally posted by gduts1: Have yall seen these people? Some of them seem to care, but for the most part they look real pissed that we're here. Another thing is that the IA and IPs don't seem to give a crap. Most people here seem lazy and hateful. One cool thing, though is the rise of CIVILIAN volunteers everywhere here. I think that the future of Iraq lies with these guys. They are the only ones that seem to have any sense. If only that sense of responsibility would transfer over to thir military....
I can't speak for the Iraqis because it's been a few years since I have been back from Iraq, but I can tell you the Afghans are about the same as what you described.
And if the Afghans/Iraqis don't give two craps about their own country, why should I?
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..don't run for office , ever. I know you were kidding and I sometimes feel the same way. Just don't want to see you end up like George Allen.
