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The military spends thousands to train and equip military members, yet some always seem to put themselves in a position where they could be chaptered out for their weight problems. With that said, it would most likely be cheaper when comparing the costs of liposuction to that of recruiting, training and equipping a new recuirt which would essentially be a replacement for that overweight Soldier.

Should the militayr offer liposuction as an option for overweight military servicemembers that are giving it their all to try to keep the poounds off or shave the weight to meet the standards?

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Posts: 733 | Registered: 15 October 2005Report This Post

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I'm for the idea because many SOldiers I've met have gotten out of the Army but were great Soldiers.

Sometimes it may be a bit hard to lose weight for some people. Some Soldiers also have a lot of muscle and are considered fat by army standards.

Thankfully I have one hell of a metabolism so I haven't ever had to worry about weight. Then again I only weight 150 so weight never was an issue for me.
 
Posts: 431 | Location: U.S. Army Garrison Yongsan (living it up in South Korea!) | Registered: 28 October 2005Report This Post

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Damn, brother... My left leg weighs 150!


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Originally posted by toucansofsquelch:
Damn, brother... My left leg weighs 150!


LOL! Well sh#@! maybe you need some lyposuction! Cool j/k BTW.
 
Posts: 431 | Location: U.S. Army Garrison Yongsan (living it up in South Korea!) | Registered: 28 October 2005Report This Post

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Offering lipo is a bad idea. If a person can't meet weight or body fat standards but is still "giving it his all" trying to keep the pounds off and is deemed medically able to continue working as a soldier and can pass a PT test, then he should be given an exception to policy or a waiver.

Lipo is still surgury and studies by the Food and Drug Administration show 20 of every 100,000 liposuctions performed result in death. There are also other possible complications, such as a bumpy appearance on lipo site and fatty deposits returning after the surgery.

And to keep it off, you still have to maintain a healthy lifestyle. So as long as the Soldier is doing that anyway, why put him through the risk of unnecessary surgury.


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True but at least he won't be called tubby anymore.
 
Posts: 431 | Location: U.S. Army Garrison Yongsan (living it up in South Korea!) | Registered: 28 October 2005Report This Post

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The way some military docs tend to half-ass things, I don't think many people would rush out to get the fat sucked out of them. I'm thinking a modification of 600-9 would be more effective.


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Posts: 8 | Location: Columbus, Ohio | Registered: 25 February 2006Report This Post

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Mmmm, I would have to say NO to that. OK, he or she will get a lipo and get rid of some fat, ok great, but what's next when there are no healthy-eating habbits in place? Get fat again? And then a lipo to follow?
 
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Liposuction for military

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Posts: 1 | Registered: 04 July 2009Report This Post

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Wow! Liposuction?! No. Chapter? Yes! Hey, the Army isn't for everybody. If soldiers can't meet the standard even after being on the over-weight program and having been given chances they need to be processed for seperation. The Army's at 100% strength now. No need to keep obese soldiers anymore.

What I think is amazing is how soldiers graduate from Basic being so out of shape they can't even come close to their weight. Oh, and when I see their PT card from basic and it shows 4 scores less than 150 and the final score being 230, I think to myself, there is no way this kid passed on his own.

Bottom line: Meet the standard or get out.
 
Posts: 7 | Registered: 24 May 2009Report This Post

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Wow! Liposuction?! No. Chapter? Yes! Hey, the Army isn't for everybody. If soldiers can't meet the standard even after being on the over-weight program and having been given chances they need to be processed for seperation. The Army's at 100% strength now. No need to keep obese soldiers anymore.

What I think is amazing is how soldiers graduate from Basic being so out of shape they can't even come close to their weight. Oh, and when I see their PT card from basic and it shows 4 scores less than 150 and the final score being 230, I think to myself, there is no way this kid passed on his own.

Bottom line: Meet the standard or get out.


I have to Agree. If they cant meet a standard here, what makes you think they will be able to meet any other standard down range... I'm not taking rounds for someone that wants to eat there way through life and is to fat to do anything.


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Posts: 28 | Location: Ft. Campbell, KY | Registered: 23 July 2009Report This Post

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people have to understand something when it deals with weight issues and the apft. i myself was humbled and came to understand issues with the apft and weight issues. i was injured in combat and still have a significant amount of shrapnel in my leg. as you probably can imagine i am not my normal self. i now score 240's on my apft as my run has suffered from the pain in my leg. i used to score 270's and 280's with no problem. i also put on about 25 pounds since my injury since i dont run as much. but what i guess it comes down to is your gut and determination. i am slowly and steadily recovering back to my normal self-which could take years to do but it is steady as i go. it much easier to chapter somone out of the army for apft or weight than to find out what the underlying issue is and using your leadership suave to fix the problem. people say "if you cant meet the standard" thus and so. but who's job is it to enforce and show the standard? I used to have this mentality, but it took a catastrophic event for me to open my eyes and see through other's eyes. instead of me saying "you dont belong" i am now thinking "what brought you to a point like this" or "what do i need to do to fix this situation?" you can learn alot about a person's state of mind if you just talk to them and identify something just below the surface. Now i agree that everyone is not fit for military service, but some can be reformed. i have had some outstanding soldiers that were overweight and they gave their all on an APFT. i have also had some soldiers that ran like gazelles and half-a$$ed around on APFTs just because they could. Those that truly know their soldiers know where i am going with this. If my overweight Soldier, or any of my Soldiers for that matter, is going to give 100%, I am going to go to bat for him no matter what. this is what I do as a leader. what if the situation were in reverse? what if you woke up tomorrow and were 250 pounds. sure its easy for you to say "that's not going to happen to me" but GOD has a way of opening people's eyes and putting them in situations to truly humble them. it is easy to "give up" on someone under the guise of them "not meeting the standard" "A leader takes people where they want to go. A great leader takes people where they don't necessarily want to go but ought to be".- rosalynn carter, wife of jimmy carter

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Posts: 34 | Registered: 15 July 2009Report This Post

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As a soldier who has spent the last 4 years fighting tooth and nail against AR 600-9 overweight policy, I can tell you that the way in which the army decides that a soldier is overweight is totally unjust. the system of taping is totally subjective, and once a soldier is considered to be over-weight they are faced with a stigma. no matter how good of a soldier he or she is, he or she is always considered less of a soldier, and will be passed up for promotion. this allows for a less qualified but more physically fit soldier to be placed in a leadership role which he or she is not prepared for. According to AR 600-9 it is the leadership's responsibility to ensure that the soldier meets the standards.
 
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