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I'm in the process of enlisting into the Army, have taken the asvab and passed the physical. All that's next is landing an MOS.

I originally got interested in the Army because I wanted to work in 46Q Public Affairs or 25V Combat Documentation. These both being near impossible to get an open slot in, I have expanded my wish list to include 35M, 35F, and 35G.

I am set to take the DLAB in the next few days, and am scared as hell!

Looking into it more, I am a little bit confused about the language requirements of the 35 series. I know 35P is a linguist job. But what about 35m, 35f and 35g? Do these jobs really require a foreign language? I had read that the language requirement was suspended for 35m. And honestly, I'm not sure how language would play into 35f and g. Is it possible to do the assigned work of these job without a foreign language?

At the moment, is DLI and a passing DLAB required for all of these specialities?

I've been stressed out, wanting to sign already. My recruiters are finally working with me in trying to find the jobs I want(after suggesting jobs like Food Service Specialist and Human Resources). But there's so many obstacles in landing these jobs. Clearances, tests, etc.

I could really use any suggestions for different MOS' to expand my search a bit, in case my intel choices fall through.

I'm looking for a specialty that is not combat arms, but affords me the chance to be in the field a bit. All my jobs on my wish list involve going out, gathering information, making reports, and recording info. Is there a suitable MOS that I'm missing?

I know there's plenty of sites with job descriptions, but I like hearing from real people that know the real world application of the specialties available in the Army.

Thanks
 
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Only 35P is language-dependent.


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Thank you for the reply.

So I would just need to get the minimum score on the DLAB for those 35 mos' other than 35P, but I wouldn't have to go to DLI?
 
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Actually, in addition to 35P needing a foreign language, 35M now requires one.


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I'd love to see where you are getting that information. I have yet to see any MILPER or anything that states that the language requirement has been reinstated. It has been suspended for damn near 6-7 years now.

Not saying it's impossible, but being a senior 35M who has a foreign language, and runs a blog about being an Army linguist, I have yet to hear a single thing stating that it is required again.


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35F doesn't need a language.

Honestly, I think that not having a language is my biggest regret IRT joining the Army and selecting my job.
 
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35G does NOT require a fluent language other than English.

If you already speak a fluent language you should take what is called the DLPT.
 
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Originally posted by 35M48S1PF:
I'd love to see where you are getting that information. I have yet to see any MILPER or anything that states that the language requirement has been reinstated. It has been suspended for damn near 6-7 years now.

Not saying it's impossible, but being a senior 35M who has a foreign language, and runs a blog about being an Army linguist, I have yet to hear a single thing stating that it is required again.


141600 June 2012 (EST) USAREC MESSAGE 12-167


SUBJECT: New Requirements for MOS 35M Regular Army (RA) and Army Reserve (AR)
Applicants

1. THIS IS AN IMMEDIATE MESSAGE, and is valid for 2 years from date of
publication unless rescinded or superseded.

2. References:

a. USAREC Regulation 601-96, Enlistment, Accessions and Processing
Procedures, 08 DEC 2009.

b. AR 611-21 Military Occupational Classification and Structure located in
the Human Resources Command (HRC) SMARTBOOK.

c. USAREC Message 11-155, Revision of Military Occupational Specialty (MOS)
35M (Human Intelligence Collector), dated 3 May 2011.

3. The purpose of this message is to announce a revision to qualifications for
MOS 35M. This message will also outline the policy to convert the temporary
reservation to permanent.

4. Summary of significant changes for MOS 35M:

a. Language Capable Eligibility:

(1) Must have a minimum qualifying score of 95 or higher on the Defense
Language Aptitude Battery (DLAB) at the time of enlistment.

(2) No exceptions to policy for DLAB scores below 95 are authorized.

(3) No exceptions to policy to enlist pending a DLAB are authorized.

b. The effective date of this revision for new accessions into MOS 35M is
18 June 2012.

5. Future Soldiers that enlisted into the Future Soldier Training Program for
MOS 35M prior to the effective date of 18 June 2012 will be grandfathered and
can continue to ship without a DLAB. Current FSR2 reservations for 35M can be
converted to permanent without a DLAB up until 18 June 2012.

6. Recruiters utilizing FSR2 will be able to see training opportunities
provided the applicant is a US Citizen, and has a 101 or higher ST score.
Reservations cannot be converted to permanent without a 95 DLAB or higher.



Fred W. Johnson, COL, GS, Assistant Chief of Staff, G-3


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The information you posted doesn't indicate that 35M is language dependent at all. It only indicates that you need a passing DLAB to enlist. The MOS remains language CAPABLE not DEPENDENT.

I hope to hell you're not a recruiter that's been telling privates they will need a language and/or will be sent to DLI because they'll end up working for me all pissed off that their recruiter told them they would get a school that they have less than one percent chance of getting (DLI). Please double check the info...not trying to be a dick but if I hadn't been in the thread you would've just put out bad info to a potential future recruit.


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SFC J,

I was unaware that there was a such thing as LANGUAGE CAPABLE. So, I stand corrected. Thanks for squaring me away. Luckily, we haven't enlisted anyone as a 35M since this message came out in June. So, I won't give a Future Soldier wrong information. Thanks


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Sorry if I came across as a dick, I was in a shitty mood this morning lol.

Yeah, basically it looks as though the Army via USAREC is trying to cut down on 35M recruits and potentially open them up for future training. Perhaps either by making it mandatory down the road (that would be nice, since the suspension was only supposed to be temporary) or maybe as a re-up incentive.

When the Army suspended the language requirement it was because units couldn't wait for interrogators/source handlers to complete the full 1.5-2 year training cycle (they needed them down range). It was supposed to be temporary.

However, it also costs about a quarter of a million per soldier to go through the training, so I think budget cuts definitely have something to do with it.

For awhile, OCMI (Office of the Chief, Military Intelligence) stated that 35M would remain language-capable in hopes that eventually they would use DLI as a re-enlistment incentive for career or mid-career 35Ms (due to their terrible retention numbers at the time).

However, I have yet to see someone successfully re-enlist for DLI even with DLAB scores of like 120+. I was one of the last groups of 35M (then 97E) to get DLI, so I was lucky.

The main difference between the capable and dependent is just that it says that they can POTENTIALLY learn a language. It also has to do with FLPB pay - if someone is in a language capable MOS, they can receive FLPB if certain conditions are met.

You can see the list of capable/dependent here:

http://anarmylinguist.blogspot...-part-3-picking.html

However, the information you posted is still pretty awesome and opens up the door to potential future recruits having the opportunity to go to DLI at some point in their career, so I posted the info on my blog (thanks for the info):

http://anarmylinguist.blogspot...sing-dlab-score.html


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Thanks for the replies. So just to clarify, do MOS' 35F and 35G require passing the DLAB as well, even though they do not require a foreign language?

And without going into specifics, of course, does being a 35M without a language mean I would most likely be stuck processing security clearances and stuff like that, or can this still be an interesting job?

I'm taking the DLAB tomorrow, and am pretty anxious. I'm surprised the minimum passing score on the DLAB is 95. I was told it had been raised, but a score over 95 was waiverable.

Thanks for the info.
 
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Once again 35G and 35F DO NOT require the DLAB. 35M has NOTHING to do with S2s and security clearances whatsoever. And no one who has enlisted or re-classified as a 35M since about 2005 has been guaranteed a language so you won't be "stuck" doing anything except the regular job that every other 35M does day in and day out.


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Appreciate the info, thank you.
 
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How did you score?
 
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