E-9 convicted in alcohol, porn case


Command Sgt. Maj. Edward Ramsdell was convicted this week of possessing alcohol and pornography, engaging in inappropriate relationships with two junior soldiers in his unit and mistreating a soldier who was subject to his orders, according to Friday press release.

During the general court-martial June 28 and 29, he also was convicted of escaping from custody, impeding an investigation and wrongfully removing evidence.

Ramsdell, of Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 411th Engineer Brigade, at Logistical Support Area Anaconda, Iraq, was sentenced to four months in confinement and busted down to E-4.

Ramsdell was convicted of violating General Order No. 1 by possessing a large quantity of alcohol and pornography in his quarters at LSA Anaconda and having intimate relationships with two junior noncommissioned officers in his unit. When the contraband was discovered, Ramsdell tried to hide evidence of his misconduct and later ran from Criminal Investigation Command special agents while they were processing him. These offenses occurred between Oct. 14 and 24.

The court-martial took place at LSA Anaconda.


WOW. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

You know, I have been searching for a mentor for years now.

now this is funny

I have seen stranger things while on deployment. Last tour an E8 was under investigation of having relations with an E4 and then got the woman pregnant. If you think that is bad, back in 2000 at FT Jackson there were at least 8 female IET Soldiers that had become pregnant during basic training while in physical recovery section. I am sure that any members of the JAG section have worst stories than that. Soldiers that want to drink will find a means to acquire alcohol while deployed in Iraq. US contractors have no restrictions on buying alcohol so where there is a will there is a way. In addition it depends on the command and where you are stationed. Over on Victory we couldn't drink but Soldiers assigned certain areas in the Green Zone could drink.

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I have seen stranger things while on deployment. Last tour an E8 was under investigation of having relations with an E4 and then got the woman pregnant. If you think that is bad, back in 2000 at FT Jackson there were at least 8 female IET Soldiers that had become pregnant during basic training while in physical recovery section. I am sure that any members of the JAG section have worst stories than that. Soldiers that want to drink will find a means to acquire alcohol while deployed in Iraq. US contractors have no restrictions on buying alcohol so where there is a will there is a way. In addition it depends on the command and where you are stationed. Over on Victory we couldn't drink but Soldiers assigned certain areas in the Green Zone could drink.

Ok, so basically, it's no big deal?

lol, I got one for you guys...

While down range, our Chaplin got the Chief of Behavior health pregnant! Both married, and at least pushing 50-60 years old.

EEEEWWWWWWW!!!! not to mention just plain wrong...

I am not saying that it isn't a big deal, I think what I was trying to express that things like that happen. It always amazes me that someone at the rank of CSM would conduct themseleves in such a manner that placed their retirement and carrer into the "pooh-can". I mean if you are going to play with fire prepare to get extremely crispy because the blow torch will scorch your bottom. People do extremely stupid things more so than others. If this CSM wanted to have those type relations and then act in that manner then he deserves whatever military court throws his way. I am curious on the differences or numbers for that matter, on, the ratio between Officers and Enlisted convictions? Officers will keep each other out of harms way. If it keeps the OER clean (especially if they are a Bird COL looking at the stars) then toss whoever underneath the bus. Seen plenty examples of that.

I can't remember exactly what year it was but the post CSM at ft carson got busted at the gate for DUI and giving alcohol to a minor, I'm sure there was more to it then that but that is what they told us.

I think anyone growing up both military and civilian work force can say that they have done some really stupid things....but...when you make those upper ranks you shouldn't place yourself in those situations. I guess if you think you are untouchable then you are going to do whatever you feel like.

....but...when you make those upper ranks you shouldn't place yourself in those situations. I guess if you think you are untouchable then you are going to do whatever you feel like.[/QUOTE]

I dont really think its that, I think it just shows that nomatter who you are, what you do, or what you wear on your collar, you are just as human as the next person. ..

I also think it has alot to do with KARMA also though..

No soldier should put themselves in a position like those at any rank. Will it still happen, yes of course. As everyone is human. However I believe Karma, and or Luck is NOT a factor. As if one puts themselves NO WHERE NEAR any situation of the sort...then is in turn ZERO % chance anything bad can result.

Your point is true....to an extent. If you dont put yourself in harms way, then you won't get injured. HOWEVER, we (soldiers) are risk takers by nature, just look at some of the things we do, and duties we perform that the average person could'nt fathom.

As far as Karma, I dont think that it is a error in the stars when the CSM who treats everybody like crap, breaks his leg on the DZ, especially when you have humble first timers land near perfectly. Somebody is paying attention, and I believe how you treat and interact with people creates either good or bad space around you.

Who cares about the friggin porn?

OMG!!<!<!! a male in a combat zone with PORN!!!


Everything else is pretty sad.

It's been almost a year now...but please understand that I just found out about this and I have a few things to say.

I am a retired Army NCO with combat experience. Throughout my career, I always made it a point to live as close to the values and rules I passed on to the soldiers I was personally responsible for. The key here is "responsible" for. I thought it important to live not by the "do as I say, not as I do" creedo.

Here's why that is important to me now. In 1983, Pvt Ramsdell was part of a new program the Army was trying involving "package platoons". What this meant was, soldiers from the same geographic area wanting to enter the Army were kept together at basic, AIT, and their first duty station (MOSC specific of coarse). Ramsdell was in the first package platoon to graduate and move to West Germany for their first duty assignments at Miesau Army Depot. I was the assistant platoon sergeant that received them and I was responsible for their training, motivation, and assistance in their new-found careers.....as Military Police men and women. That's right....CSM Ramsdell started his career as an MP.

It is my sincere sorrow that, in the matter of Ramsdell's initial training, we failed....I failed to impart upon him what I believe were the necessary foundations that govern not just our military careers, but our lives. You see....it's not just what you do when people are watching, but what you do when they are not that makes all of us who we are. Like a car mechanic with a sick auto, I was directly involved in finding the problem, fixing it if I could, or excizing the problem and replacing the part if I couldn't. Obviously that didn't happen like it should and on behalf of the NCO's of the 3rd Platoon, 164th MP Company.....I offer my apologies.

You can say what you want about "I couldn't have know".....but responsibility is something we took seriously...and still do. The soldiers of today deserve much better than CSM Ramsdell...and we failed here to give it to them. Even though I retired some 15 years ago, the legacy I left behind with so many of you should be better than this. I'm sure you've heard the one that "one OH S#@T can wipe out a long list of ATTA-BOY's"....this one has for sure.

Take the lesson and learn from it. Everything we learn comes not just from the good examples, but the bad as well. Stand up for you work....be it good or bad....because the legacy could last a lifetime. If it feels wrong, it probably is. Never be afraid to make a mistake, but never blame someone else either. I salute every one of you for the service you provide and will continue to provide. I am currently a police sergeant and continue to improve the troopers I have working with me as much as I can. You do the same....you all make old soldiers like me proud.