Okla Reservist,

By reading most of your post on other forums I think I have your profile image. Your a resrvist waiting for a commission and drive 100 miles to do 2 days of work and have not spent a day on REAL Active Duty, you have never been deployed. The only way I can be wrong is if you were prior service. If I'm wrong I apologize. With that being said, if I'm right how do you know anything about Iraq and the war? CNN? We (FBI, CIA, GOVT, and US Troops have been all over Iraq and found nothing) should of went after Iran if we had a purpose, they are a better excuse than Iraq ever was. I will not support a troop withdrawal and never will. I lost my brother in Afghan in Feb 07 and do not want his death to result in unfinished business. Again, how do you justify a war that was about WMD without the WMD? Thats like accusing someone of murder with motive but no murder weapon. Its all circumstantial.

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and lastly how horribly troops are treated at Walter Reed

This statement couldn't be anymore false. I'm here at Walter Reed and am getting the best care,housing and food then any of the places I've ever been with the Army.

Pvpness, I may have to move to another country if Clinton or Obama makes it into office. Either way, one of them makes it I'm out of a job.


Long Range. You really believe this war is for no reason?

Well im here now and yes these people need us here to help them, they dont want us to leave and the people we are fighting here well most of them come from other countries but Saddam himself said he had wmd's now tell me what more intel do u need when the head of states says that. Then before his death he said that he lied only to keep iran from invading because he didnt think we would invade only bomb them for having wmd's so I take back the part about this war being fought for nothing it started because of a lie and not from our president but from there ex dicator

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Okla Reservist,

By reading most of your post on other forums I think I have your profile image. Your a resrvist waiting for a commission and drive 100 miles to do 2 days of work and have not spent a day on REAL Active Duty, you have never been deployed. The only way I can be wrong is if you were prior service. If I'm wrong I apologize. With that being said, if I'm right how do you know anything about Iraq and the war? CNN? We (FBI, CIA, GOVT, and US Troops have been all over Iraq and found nothing) should of went after Iran if we had a purpose, they are a better excuse than Iraq ever was. I will not support a troop withdrawal and never will. I lost my brother in Afghan in Feb 07 and do not want his death to result in unfinished business. Again, how do you justify a war that was about WMD without the WMD? Thats like accusing someone of murder with motive but no murder weapon. Its all circumstantial.

Partially correct. I spent 2 1/2 years on active duty stationed in the arm pit that is Ft. Polk. I was there from 91-94.

That being said, my current reserve unit where I have been at since 2006 has many people what have deployed to Iraq. So my news comes from them as well as a variety of media. Additionally, I do remember history.

Looking back in history, we see that Iraq had WMDs. We see that UNSCOM performed inspections in Iraq and detailed their stockpiles of WMDs as well as production facilities. We also see where UNSCOM supervised the destruction of SOME of those WMDs. We also saw where Saddam & other Iraqi officials continued to mislead and deceived UNSCOM inspectors or deny entrance to facilities for unannounced inspections. We even saw some UNSCOM inspectors who had been providing information to Iraqi officials about inspecition itenaries so they would know beforehand.

When inspections began again after 2001, we saw again that Saddam was not complying with the UN orders to show proof that the leftover WMDs had been destroyed. Again, he did not provide the information needed and continued to mislead.

After our invasion in 2003, we found leftover WMDs that were supposed to have been declared/destroyed. We found numerous stockpiles of precursor WMD materials, stored in military bunkers, with NBC protective gear nearby, with empty munitions nearby. We removed nuclear material (able to make numerous dirty bombs) back to the US. We have several soldiers react to nerve agent poisening. Several FOX NBC vehicles had positive nerve agent results.

On top of all this, we have satellite photos of trucks parked outside of bunkers just prior to our invasion. Some of these were IAEA-sealed bunkers. So we don't know how much material was removed to Syria or other countries.

The fact remains - UNSCOM documented stockpiles of thousands of tons of various WMDs. Only a portion of these were observed to be destroyed. No proof was presented or found about the remaining stockpiles as to where they went. We know there was a significant increase in truck traffic across the border prior to our invasion & that a lot of that traffic was from military bases.

So the real question is not who lied about WMDs but where did they go?

Usually I would have jumped into this post early, but I chose to wait and see what the rest of you all would say...nothing short of interesting, and I say that with a bridled tounge...or fingers. The point is Bush is a failure point blank. WMD's? You tell me where...Oh, how about North Korea!!! Kim Jung Il left no doubt that he tested nuclear weapons, by telling the U.S. straight up "It was me, and they were nuclear weapons!" Wow, and what did G.W. do? Nothing, an angry letter or two, not quite shock and awe, I'll say. Granted I won't go so far as to say that rising gas prices are his fault but, the blood of 4,000 american troops is on his hands as well as his chums in congress that told him "yeah that's a good idea" and voted in favor of the war...correction, conflict. Unjustified war, you're damn right it is, who are the Iraqi people that it demands the blood of Americans to liberate them? How many Iraqi men live in Iraqi? I imagine in the millions, that's plenty of people to fight for thier own liberation...For those of you who insist on the issue of terrorism, there were no terrorist in Iraq until we got there, and that information is coming from the Iraqi people, not CNN. If we are truely hunting down terrorist we'd be up to our necks in Iran, but we are not, because they have nothing we want, oil? Same goes for N. Korea. "We will leave when the job is done" said Pres. Bush, I challenge any one of you to tell me what the job is, and how we know when it's done. Bush said it himself, we're fighting an ideology, a frame of mind, a set of beliefs. You can't fight that, that's like telling every Catholic in the world that they are wrong, you'll never win. The nations issues with the economy and the war and everthing else isn't all the presidents fault, but when you are in the position to make a change, and take the first step in the right direction, but you refuse to, you will bare the burden of the nations wrath. Is it any wonder you have some 8 year old kid on Youtube.com talking about assassinating the president? President Clinton gets a BJ and is almost impeached, President Bush sends thousands of troops into harms way without neccessity and is merely facing low approval ratings. So long as the wealthiest of the wealthy are sitting pretty (pretty much everyone on capital hill) and the middle class is fronting the cost of his careless expenditures, he will never reap the consequences of his actions. Afghanistan was were we needed to go, that was a result of
9/11, not Iraq. Bush even said it himself "the hardest part about my job is connecting Iraq to the war on terror"... You don't f**king say! I say screw Iraq and it's people, take what we want, pull out, go back to afghanistan catch Bin Laden, kill him, and call it a day.

*This is not directed to one individual or post.

I hate it when people who are ignorant of a situation try and debate the pro and cons without a comprehensive knowledge of both sides.

Iraq
As far as the WMD in Iraq, it was there. We pulled out over 2 TONS of ENRICHED URANIUM! He had 500 tons yet to be processed. We were digging up centrifuges from scientist’s rose gardens; there were warehouses full of anthrax. We even found two ice cream truck chemical weapons vans. But then again everybody knew about this and has chosen to ignore it. They had been shooting at our planes for the last 5 years. That, in and of itself, is an act of war and enough in my book to go in and take them out. Also, no one of any military or political significance was there to stop us.

Iran
Iran has plenty of oil; we don’t invade them because of Russia. They are working on a Nuke as well and will probably have one by 2010. We can’t go there because everyone is upset that we didn’t find a fully functional nuke in a silo ready for launch in Iraq. If we fail to act, maybe the Israelis will do it for us.

North Korea
Yes it has a Nuke. Yes we should go in and take them out. Ask China if they are going to let us or if they will intervene like they did in the 50s. As I recall, China forced down one of our planes early in 2000. I am pretty sure they won’t be too enthusiastic about us creeping on their doorstep. Also, you have to look at S Korea, a lot of them do not want any war, and hell a lot of them don’t want us there at all. One of the consequences of invading N Korea is that S Korea will be blasted to snot. Would you tell them that is was necessary or just complain how we should have left them alone and everything would be alright?

Afghanistan
Yes, we need to do a lot more there. But look also that the Soviets sent in 150,000 troops to occupy it in the 80s. They lost miserably. How many will we need? When do we talk to Pakistan and run across their border to get them? They are a Nuke nation as well and very fearful of a US attack. How do we tackle that? Say F’ em and go in anyways? Will you be supportive of the Sh*t storm that follows? I doubt it. You will probably be blogging how the next president is worse than Bush and how he made thing worse.

Housing Crisis?
If you can’t afford a house, don’t buy one. Kind of like a PV2 that goes out and buys a new car and it sits in the parking lot because he can’t afford to drive it anywhere.

Gas prices
You got me on this one. They are outrageously high. How about we assassinate all of the OPEC leaders until they drop the price of crude. Better yet, how about putting a limit on the price per barrel that we are allowed to purchase. Neither one of these options are feasible. If you look at the profit margins, the oil companies only make about 10% profit from their endeavors. Microsoft makes about 27%, GE makes about 11%, and McDonalds makes about 12%. In California 63 cents on every gallon goes towards taxes. Is that how you want to regulate it, tax it? That is not feasible either. We need to cut the cost of production. Part of that includes more oil drilling here at home and more refineries to produce more gasoline. When the companies start making more profits than McDonalds, then we can get Big Brother involved.

- We can't do much after the enemy has the "bomb" (nKorea) this is a big reason we went into Iraq when we did. If we had waited until he had the WMDs fully developed and deployed we would have another whackjob like KJI in the middle east, except he would be sitting on the second largest reserve of oil in the world. And is this just about oil and money not really, the Strategic importance of Iraq and the whole middle east in general has to do with the fact that the world's economy can not function without steady supplies of oil. If you think fuel prices are bad imagine what they would be like if half that oil just came out of the market.

- Bin Laden doesn't appear to be in Afghanistan and until we can find a way to deal with the issue of the Pakistan tribal areas we will continue to fight in Afghanistan in the same way we had to fight in Vietnam. The Taliban can recover and regroup in Pakistan (where we can't touch them) and then come across and fight us and then slink back.

- The theme of this thread has to do with the President Bush's approval rating. I still wonder if people would rather have a president do a popular thing or the "right" thing. Also the job of the president is not to respond to the whims of the public, he is to run the country as the Chief Executive of the nation. Your congressmen and senators that have not been able to achieve much or anything in the past few years are the ones that deserve the blame for the domestic issues that they seem to be unable to resolve.

DD: Preach on BROTHER!!!

(said everyhting I was thinking only better)

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Originally posted by Aviation101:

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Originally posted by cde0784:
and lastly how horribly troops are treated at Walter Reed

This statement couldn't be anymore false. I'm here at Walter Reed and am getting the best care,housing and food then any of the places I've ever been with the Army.

Pvpness, I may have to move to another country if Clinton or Obama makes it into office. Either way, one of them makes it I'm out of a job.


Long Range. You really believe this war is for no reason?

Hey Aviation101, are you ok? I remember you just deployed from here not to long ago. Hit me up in a PM if you want.