I just got back from MEPS yesterday trying to get a slot as a 35m Human Intelligence Collector. They had a slot lined up for me but told me that I was disapproved because I had a county curfew violation when I was 16 and since the job requires no non-traffic court convictions there would be no possible way for me to get the job.

My recruiter and most of the counselors at MEPS were confused and upset about this because I have nothing else against me except that one minor citation. Does anybody have any suggestions?

I don't recall ever seeing a non-traffic court conviction requirement... just that you have to list it in your sf-86.
In any event, you can always get a moral waiver etc. Ask your recruiter to see if they can submit one for you- as that goes further than someone from MEPS reading off a list of 'things that keep you from getting in'.

If I am wrong about this, someone let me know.

I'll try to find the regulations on that. I've seen before, it's just a matter of finding. I think there are mitigating factors, and it can be waived. In any case, don't settle for a lesser job unless they show you in writing why you're not qualified for that one. It's your 3-5 years.

I, like you, wanted a different MOS than the one I have now, the career counselor said that he had a slot lined up, but when i went in to see what was available, all that came up were 14 series jobs. So me, being young and naive, I took the college money and bonus and became a 14E. I learned later that there is a listing of priority fill MOS's, and those are supposed to be filled ASAP, so some untrustworthy individuals would lie to soldiers, just like myself, just to get them into one of them slots, so I say pull their BS card, tell them that you wont join unless you get what you want, i bet they'll call begging in a few days.

It is a disqualifying factor.

It's too long to post here, but read App I, from AR 380-67. Basically it establishes guidelines for granting security clearances in spite of disqualifying factors. If there are mitigating factors for people that culitvated Marijuana to get a clearance, perhaps they can waive your conviction. It's worth asking about.

You can find it here.
http://www.apd.army.mil/series_range_pubs.asp?range=380
I reccomend the XML link.

If they will not waive it, consider 37F. Psychological Operations.

Thanks for all the help SSGSchmidt and MCT SGT. I actually told the counselors at MEPS that I didn't want anything other than 35m and my recruiter is trying to go after it again so I will bring all of this up with him.

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Originally posted by SSGSchmidt:
the career counselor said

You saw a "GUIDANCE Counselor" not a "CAREER Counslor".

What's the difference? A Guidance Counselor is a recruiter with an additional skill identifier (ASI) and most likely works in a MEPS. A Career Counselor works at a battalion, brigade or higher level and deals with reenlisting Soldiers among many other things.

35M, HUMINT collectors must possess the following qualifications:
(1) A physical demands rating of medium.
(2) A physical profile of 222221.
(3) Must pass one of the three authorized color vision tests administered by Optometrists: Pseudo-Isochromatic Plates test, the Farnsworth Lantern test, or the OPTEC 900 Color Vision test, with a minimum status of color deficient.
(4) Qualifying scores.
(a) A minimum score of 95 in aptitude area ST on Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) tests administered prior to 2 January 2002.
(b) A minimum score of 92 in aptitude area ST on ASVAB tests administered on and after 2 January 2002 and prior to 1 July 2004.
(c) A minimum score of 91 in aptitude area ST (TECH) on ASVAB tests administered on and after 1 July 2004.
(5) Security eligibility:
(a) Prior to October 2012, Soldier must meet SECRET security eligibility requirements to be awarded this MOS.
(b) Effective October 2012, the Soldier must meet TOP SECRET (TS) and Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) access eligibility requirements to be awarded this MOS. For clearance requirements to attend training, refer to the Army Training Requirements and Resources System (ATRRS).
(c) U.S. Army Recruiting Command (USAREC) and the Army National Guard will submit Single-Scope Background Investigation (SSBI) packets requesting TS/SCI eligibility determination for future Soldiers in MOS 35M with a scheduled ship date on or after 1 October 2008.
(d) Effective 1 October 2008, in-service Soldiers recruited into MOS 35M, while not currently required to possess more than a SECRET eligibility, will submit SSBI packets requesting TS/SCI eligibility determination during their reenlisting processing.
(e) Soldiers currently holding MOS 35M, who have not previously been granted TS/SCI eligibility, will submit SSBI packets requesting TS/SCI eligibility not later than 1 October 2011 in order to meet the revised full implementation date of 1 October 2012 for possessing TS eligibility and SCI access eligibility to hold the MOS.
(6) A high school graduate or equivalent prior to entry onto active duty.
(7) Demonstrates a clear enunciation and comprehension of English and good standard English grammar skills. Applicants who are not native-born citizens or who have not attended U.S. schools since the age of 6, must obtain a minimum score of 80 in reading and listening on the English Comprehension Level Test (ECLT) or American Course Language Placement Test (ACLPT). The Executive Agent for English is the Defense Language Institute English Language Center (DLIELC).
(8) Soldiers accessing into this MOS must have a minimum qualifying score on the Defense Language Aptitude Battery (DLAB) or a qualifying score of L2-R2 (listening-reading) on the Defense Language Proficiency Test (DLPT) in a required and documented foreign language. The current and approved minimum DLAB score for accessions into this MOS at any given time will be reflected in the REQUEST program in accordance with the category of languages required and being recruited. If initial DLPT score is below L2-R2, the DLAB must be administered. The Soldiers must have a DPLT score of at least L2-R2 (listening and reading) and S2 (speaking) prior to award of MOS. A qualifying DLAB and DPLT score is not required for initial entry Soldiers.
(9) MOS closed for reclassification to Soldiers who have been deemed permanently non-deployable in accordance with AR 614-30, AR 40-501, AR 220-1 and AR 600-8-101. Soldiers must meet the minimum criteria for retainability stated in AR 600-60, paragraph 4-2(b) and be fully deployable to all locations and echelons.
(10) MOS closed for reclassification at SFC, MSG, and SGM, except for those Soldiers within CMF 35.
(11) No information in military personnel, Provost Marshal, intelligence, or medical records that would prevent the granting of a security eligibility under AR 380-67 (para 3.401.a).
(12) No record of conviction by court martial.
(13) No record of conviction by civil court for any offense other than minor traffic violations.
(14) Must be a U.S. citizen.
(15) Meet career management and development criteria contained in AR 614-200 and DA Pam 351-4.
(16) Formal training (completion of MOS 35M course conducted under the auspices of the USAIC&FH, Ft Huachuca, AZ mandatory or meet the ACASP criteria per paragraph 9-5b (5)(b) of this pamphlet and in paragraphs (a) thru (d) below.
(a) Meet additional requirements for MOS under AR 614-200.
(b) Have reading and listening comprehension of at least “2” in needed foreign language in accordance with AR 11-6. Language proficiency testing will be accomplished at MEPS under AR 601-270 for applicants who claim proficiency in needed foreign language and meet above requirements.
(d) Successfully complete 35M HUMINT Collector course.
(e) Special instructions are as follows:
1. Requirements for MOS 35M for (RA) will be reflected on the REQUEST program “RPTCAS”. Requirements for USAR will be obtained from unit’s vacancy lists.
2. Persons who enlist through this program will not receive language training. On the addendum to DA Form 3286-68 (for RA), DA Form 3540 series (for USAR), guidance counselors will complete the statement to indicate the enlistee’s language. (Example: “I understand that my civilian acquired skill as a Korean Linguist, MOSC 35M1LKP, will be recognized under enlistment and”). The MOSC to include the proper language identifier also will be entered as shown above.
3. Language requirements.
a. Not a requirement for U.S. Army active component skill level 1 and 2 Soldiers and/or accessing into MOS 35M is a requirement for AA skill level 3 Soldiers (and all components, AA, ARNG, IRR and USAR).
b. A requirement for U.S. Army National Guard component skill level 1 Soldiers. To be determined by U.S. Army National Guard Reserve components for Soldiers requiring a language at skill level 1.
c. Additional requirements. Once initial language qualification is obtained. Soldiers in MOS 35M are required to maintain language qualification in accordance with AR 11-6.
d. Additional skill identifiers. (Note: Refer to table 12-8 for (Listing of universal ASI’s associated with all enlisted MOS.))
N7--Strategic Debriefing.

I have a question about the 35F training at Ft Huachuca. I am coming back to active duty after being in the Guard for a few years. Both MOSs I currently hold were overstrength so I choose 35F. I have to go to Ft Jackson for 2 weeks and then to Ft Huachuca for training. I am a Staff Sergeant so I would like to know how I would get authorization to drive my POV to Jackson then Huachuca. I don't want to get stuck without it. I live in Savannah Ga so I doubt I'd have time to come back and get it. Also, I'm wondering about living arrangements for prior service individuals/E6. Are they still having reclass personnel training AIT students on the weekends? Would I be considered TDY? And what do I have to go to Ft Jackson for? Any info would be helpful. I have kind of been in the dark about all this and my recruiter really can't answer all these questions. Thanks!!

Seakitten, if it's not relevant to the original post, please start a new thread.