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There are a lot that use their guard jobs to network into a Technical Inspector position for their actual full time job, choose carefully though for part or full time since very RECENTLY the Army is extremely limited on letting you go full time if you started out part-time. Many are not aware of this, any Recruiter that is worth a damn will be aware of this.
 
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Hey guys, just to give you an update.

I am going to join after all.

It's been thinking about it, and at one point I didn't even want to do it thinking I could just work in the private sector.

But it's a year later, and I'm still in the same place. I think this is the best for me to start to improve myself and my life.

I done the pro/con list and I can't come up with many cons, but alot of pros the Army can help me with, including a job working with helicopters which is what I want.

Do any of you Army Aviation guys have any other tips of advice for me?


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Originally posted by tr00th:
Hey guys, just to give you an update.

I am going to join after all.

It's been thinking about it, and at one point I didn't even want to do it thinking I could just work in the private sector.

But it's a year later, and I'm still in the same place. I think this is the best for me to start to improve myself and my life.

I done the pro/con list and I can't come up with many cons, but alot of pros the Army can help me with, including a job working with helicopters which is what I want.

Do any of you Army Aviation guys have any other tips of advice for me?


I am a 15U, just returned from my second 12 month tour (first one in Iraq) in Afghanistan. I've been turning wrenches on CH-47D/F models for 5 years now.

To work in the private sector, you either need Military Aviation experience or have your A&P License. No Aviation company is going to hire you off the street with no experience.

If you go in as a 15T, there are plenty of state and federal agencies that use the S-70 (Civilian variant of the UH-60) both here in the US and abroad.

If you go in as a 15U, you can pretty much work on almost any helicopter, as you will know all the systems (except for Avionics) in the helicopter in great depth and detail. However, there are not as many companies out there that use the civilian variant of the CH-47 (Boeing-Vertol 107). Columbia Helicopters uses them extensively (they have a small fleet of 46s and 47s out in A'Stan). I think Evergreen might use them as well. Other than those, I'm not sure.

Keep in mind though, that Army Aviation will still do the 12 month deployments every other year, as Aviation is the heavy-hauler over in Afghanistan. So if you have a family you might want to think on that one.

Other than those things, working with helicopters is very rewarding if you are into helicopter aviation. The only downside is working in the extremes of every type of weather; heat, cold, rain, snow, etc.

If you want/need any other info, just let me know.

Matt


CH-47D/F Mechanic
Technical Inspector

AR 670-1/Regulation Mafia
 
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Thanks Matt for your reply.

I have my A&P, and will be joining with it already so that's one hurdle I don't need to jump. I do have a question for you, since your active duty and overseas now.

What is like right now over there? How do you guys do your maintenance? In a hanger, tents, out in the desert? How much work do you guy do, is it like 24 hours of work, days off?

Tell me what you do in 24hours working on -47 so I can have a idea of what I'm getting into.


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So if you're thinking of joining why do you have a SPC avatar?
 
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So if you're thinking of joining why do you have a SPC avatar?


Because I have a college degree, so when I enlist I will start as a E-4 SPC.


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...And yet you are not that rank. It doesn't really bother me personally, but you can see where I'm going with this right?

As to your A&P...It won't really be of too much benefit when you first join. You and I (I also have the license) both know that ultimately anyone can pass the knowledge test and oral/practical. However, like your college degree, the A&P license will help you downt he road when you are working to become an E5.

Pay attention to what your squad leader does and become intimately familiar with tasks like rigging and phase. If you have a reputation as a smart guy who knows what he's doing, I'd imagine you can advance quickly.

Maintenance operations in garrison are usually 9-5. Flight generally works a bit longer depending on the mission set. It'll be 12-13 hours daily deployed...Sometimes longer mission depending. Have you any experience at a FAA repair station?
 
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Originally posted by tr00th:
Thanks Matt for your reply.

I have my A&P, and will be joining with it already so that's one hurdle I don't need to jump. I do have a question for you, since your active duty and overseas now.

What is like right now over there? How do you guys do your maintenance? In a hanger, tents, out in the desert? How much work do you guy do, is it like 24 hours of work, days off?

Tell me what you do in 24hours working on -47 so I can have a idea of what I'm getting into.


I got back from Kandahar Airfield (KAF) about a month ago. However, as to your questions:

How is it? KAF is relatively secure. Yes, it gets rocketed at least once or twice a week, but nothing important of ours ever got hit.

Maintenance: We had a clamshell type tent hangar that could fit 2 Chinooks in it with blades on. However, half of it was owned by the Aussies. So the only time our birds were in it were for phase maintenance. 90% of maintenance was done out on the parking ramp in the heat, cold, rain, etc. At night we used portable light sets.

Hours: We had two shifts, day and night. Our hours were 7am-7pm (or the opposite), then changed to noon to midnight (or the opposite). We worked 6 days per week, with one day off per week. Even though the shifts were 12 hours, you will actually be "on the clock" more like 13-14 hours per day. It also took 15-20 minutes each way to get to/from work, or if you took the bus, 45 minutes each way. I averaged 5-6 hours of sleep per 24 hour period.

As for a "regular" day... Well there really wasn't any such animal. If you were on a phase team, you worked the phase from teardown until the MTF was complete and signed off by the MTPs. If you were not on phase, you did unscheduled work as it came up. There was almost always something to fix or work on, as flight ops were always ongoing, and birds did come back damaged or shot-up. You could do virtually nothing for days or even weeks on end, and then have 3 aircraft that need to be fixed and flight-ready in a ridiculously short amount of time.

In garrison, phases are very infrequent, as the birds are flown less than during deployment. So a phase only comes down once a month or longer. There might be one or two minor fixes to do here and there, so lots of hangar sweeping/mopping happens too.

If you have any other questions, just sing out.

Matt


CH-47D/F Mechanic
Technical Inspector

AR 670-1/Regulation Mafia
 
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Keep in mind though, that Army Aviation will still do the 12 month deployments every other year, as Aviation is the heavy-hauler over in Afghanistan. So if you have a family you might want to think on that one.



Matt


I'm in an aviation unit doing a 9 month rotation. Just saying.
 
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Lucky you! Initial estimates were that units with Chinooks and Blackhawks would continue to do the 12 month rotations.

Matt


CH-47D/F Mechanic
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AR 670-1/Regulation Mafia
 
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My backround:
About to finish a 12 month out in AFG, yes now they're switching to 9 month deployments for AVN, not sure when that happened, but happened within last year some time, been a UH-60 Crew Chief for the past five and a half years.

Ok just some info for you, if you're still interested:

1. Getting to a flight slot varies depending on where you go and what unit you are assigned to. There's several routes for 15-T's to go, but it is by no means guranteed that you'll get it. If it is something that interests you you'll need to set yourself higher than your peers, but most of all just get lucky.

2. My experience is almost soley flight so sorry if it's biased, its about all I know, but as far as work hours, well it varies. For deployed be prepared to work. I can ensure you that very few people have anywhere near an understanding of what it is like to work as deployed flight company soldier, 60 or 47. I can tell you, that besides 24 hour reset time periods, of which we only get to go from a night mission ending somewhere in the area of 8-9 am, and not counting EML, that I've only had 5 days off....in the past 10 months. If you like staying busy then maybe that wont be a issue for you.

3. If you are interested in going flights I can tell you that getting Korea is not a bad gig, only because they fast track a lot there because people dont stay as long. Dont know if that's the case or not still, but it was about 6 years ago. If you're not interested in flights and just want to be a mechanic you should have no issues wherever you go. Flights is a option, not mandatory by any means, and as far as most avation jobs go you actually get to do your job and arent just trained by the army to do something and then never get to do your job, i guess some soldiers have problems like that, we dont it seems.

If you have any other questions just let me know and I'll try and help you out.


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Didn't really go through all the posts, but I'm a 15J and recently a 15S Line Troop PSG, currently reclassing to 15E. PM or email me any questions you may have if you didn't get them. If you have your A & P already, your 20 steps ahead of your future peers. And will set you up for a job with Rolls Royce after your service.


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