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I'm thinking of either 35M or Psyops for enlisted. They seem pretty similar. Anyone have any first hand experience with the job and AIT.

Going to MEPS in three days to change my MOS. I love languages and psychology/advertising, but the AIT for Intel sounds interesting...

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Are you a reservist? If you're active duty you can not join the Army as a PSYOP soldier, it is reclass only.

If you are a reservist, don't count on getting any sort of language training, at least for PSYOP.
 
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Well, that answers that ! Im going Active.
No one told me that, thanks a bunch
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Keep 35N and 35p open as an options as well if languages are your passion. If you flunk the DLAB (as many do, including myself) 35G and 35Q are excellent MOSes though very different to what your stated interests are.
 
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Originally posted by erikwithak86:
Are you a reservist? If you're active duty you can not join the Army as a PSYOP soldier, it is reclass only.

If you are a reservist, don't count on getting any sort of language training, at least for PSYOP.
This is incorrect information. There is now an active duty 37F positions at Fort Bragg. I know this for a fact because I taught them basic intel collection as an MTT instructor.

Furthermore, it's no longer called PSYOP, it's called MISO.

(Military Information Support Operations)

I hate when people put out bad information without researching.

http://www.goarmy.com/reserve/...ions-specialist.html


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Just curious, did you actually read what I posted, or just what you wanted?

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Originally posted by 35M48V4PF:
]This is incorrect information. There is now an active duty 37F positions at Fort Bragg. I know this for a fact because I taught them basic intel collection as an MTT instructor.


And? There's always been active duty 37F positions at Bragg and always will be.
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Furthermore, it's no longer called PSYOP, it's called MISO.

(Military Information Support Operations)


The branch, MOS and duty positions are all still PSYOP, the function they perform is now MISO.

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I hate when people put out bad information without researching.


Yeah, me too.

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Hasn't been updated in years man.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by 35M48V4PF:
]This is incorrect information. There is now an active duty 37F positions at Fort Bragg. I know this for a fact because I taught them basic intel collection as an MTT instructor.


And? There's always been active duty 37F positions at Bragg and always will be.


I believe there was a misunderstanding on what you said.

You CAN go active duty in MISO, however it is NOT entry level (meaning you cannot go straight into PSYOPS/MISO).

I recommend that you think about 35M, 35F, 35Q, 35N or 35P.

35M - You need to be a certain type of person to succeed in this job. If you make friends easy and are personable, then this is definitely something to research. If you're interested in the mission and committed to developing a new understanding of human interaction, then this is definitely for you. If not, then don't pursue it.

35F - The generic MI soldier better known as a "PowerPoint Ranger". Basically you sit on a computer, making PowerPoints with information reported by the other INTs. You WILL have to brief people who outrank you (often it can be a CSM or a COL). If you have stage freight, learn to overcome it or pick something different. Another key point, is that you NEED to be open minded. You HAVE to be able to look at a problem from multiple perspectives and be able to analyze information or else you will be a fact reporter, not an analyst.

35Q - New Cyber Warfare/Counter Cyber Warfare MOS. If you know about that stuff and you love working on computers, go for this. It's new and growing with solid promotion potential.

35N - If you're interested in working in a very small field with limited human interaction (working by yourself or a very small team) and you're capable of analyzing people's interactions via verbal communication, then you should enjoy this.

35P - If you want to learn a language, then pick this MOS. You learn a lot of things the 35N's learn, however you get a language that will boost your pay and your post-Army prospects. Chances are however that you will not have much say in your language unless you score well and/or get it in contract.

Based on promotions, 35M is probably the hardest out of those I listed. It was over strength for E4 and below, however they flooded out a lot of those soldiers into other MOSs (such as 35L, 35P or 35F). If you pursue this MOS, be prepared for a very competitive promotion environment.

35F, 35N, 35P and 35Q are all understrength or growing. If you meet the standard and excel as a leader, you'll make rank.

Also, if you like looking at imagery and analyzing it, but don't want to get promoted pick 35G. I've NEVER met a 35G who didn't love his job, which is why they're hard to make rank in (as well as having one of the smaller communities in the 35 series).
 
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quote:
Originally posted by erikwithak86:
Just curious, did you actually read what I posted, or just what you wanted?

quote:
Originally posted by 35M48V4PF:
]This is incorrect information. There is now an active duty 37F positions at Fort Bragg. I know this for a fact because I taught them basic intel collection as an MTT instructor.


And? There's always been active duty 37F positions at Bragg and always will be.
quote:
Furthermore, it's no longer called PSYOP, it's called MISO.

(Military Information Support Operations)


The branch, MOS and duty positions are all still PSYOP, the function they perform is now MISO.

quote:
I hate when people put out bad information without researching.


Yeah, me too.

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Hasn't been updated in years man.


This makes me laugh. I particularly like a non-37 telling one what HIS MOS requirements and doctrinal nomenclature are. Hahaha.

ErikwithaK is 100% accurate. I am also a 37F and can confirm his statements.

Almost all of Active Duty Special Operations are now reclass MOSs. You must reclass and go through an assesment and selection. This is for SOAR, PSYOP, Civil Affairs, and Special Forces.
 
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