My husband will have 19 years Active duty in as of Sep 2012. Today while doing some research on retirement we noticed there are 2 different retirement plans that should have been brought up at year 15. His LES still says choice and his DIEMS is 930408. We were wondering is it too late for him to still pick REDUX and receive the $30,000 ? Also does he need to talk to S1 about this or someone else, he understands he needs to fill out DD Form 2839. Thanks everyone
Also, your husband has been in the military for 19 years and still do not know where to go to get a certain question answered?? He could go to finance or the retirement office at his installation. Or talk to his sergeant major. What rank is he? Specialist?
1. THIS MESSAGE SERVES AS A "HEADS UP" FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD) CAREER STATUS BONUS/MILITARY RETIREMENT REFORM ACT RETIRED PAY OPTION (COMMONLY KNOWN AS CSB/REDUX). WHILE AWAITING THE FINAL DOD IMPLEMENTING GUIDANCE, THIS MESSAGE WILL ALLOW MACOMS TO POSTURE THEIR INSTALLATIONS TO BEGIN IDENTIFYING SOLDIERS THAT INITIALLY ENTERED MILITARY SERVICE ON 1 AUG 86 OR LATER AND NOTIFY THEM OF THEIR ELIGIBILITY OR INELIGIBILITY FOR THE CSB/REDUX RETIRED PAY OPTION. THE FIRST GROUP OF ELIGIBLE SOLDIERS (THOSE WHO INITIALLY ENTERED MILITARY SERVICE IN AUG 86) SHOULD BE NOTIFIED DURING FEB 01. 2. PUBLIC LAW 106-65, THE FY00 NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT (NDAA) CHANGED THE RETIRED PAY SYSTEM, EFFECTIVE 5 OCT 99, FOR MEMBERS WHO INITIALLY ENTERED THE MILITARY SERVICE ON OR AFTER 1 AUG 86. THESE MEMBERS WERE PREVIOUSLY COVERED UNDER THE RETIRED PAY PROVISIONS OF THE MILITARY RETIREMENT REFORM ACT OF 1986, (COMMONLY KNOWN AS REDUX). THE FY00 NDAA GAVE THESE MEMBERS WHO MET CERTAIN QUALIFICATIONS A CHOICE BETWEEN CSB/REDUX AND THE PRIOR HIGH-3 RETIRED PAY PLAN. SOLDIERS IN THAT GROUP WHO ARE ELIGIBLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE FOR 20 YEARS AND HAVE NO ADVERSE ACTIONS PENDING COMPLETION OF 15 YEARS OF ACTIVE FEDERAL SERVICE (AFS), MAY ELECT TO RECEIVE A $30,000 CSB AND RETIRE UNDER THE REDUX RETIRED PAY PLAN. SEE THE DIEMS INFORMATION PAPER ON THE PERSCOM WEBSITE IN REFERENCE D FOR AN EXPLANATION OF THE DIEMS DATE AND THE THREE RETIRED PAY PLANS. 3. DIEMS PERTAINS TO THE EARLIEST DATE OF ENLISTMENT, INDUCTION, OR APPOINTMENT IN A REGULAR OR RESERVE COMPONENT OF A UNIFORMED SERVICE AS A COMMISSIONED OFFICER, WARRANT OFFICER, OR ENLISTED MEMBER. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE DATE A MEMBER ENTERED ACTIVE DUTY AND MAY BE EARLIER THAN THE MEMBER'S PAY ENTRY BASIC DATE (PEBD). SITUATIONS WHERE THE DIEMS WILL LIKELY BE EARLIER THAN THE PEBD INCLUDE: (A) ACADEMY GRADUATES - DIEMS IS THE DATE THE MEMBER ENTERED THE ACADEMY; (B) ROTC OFFICERS - DIEMS IS THE EARLIER OF EITHER THE DATE AN ROTC SCHOLARSHIP WAS EFFECTIVE OR THE DATE THE MEMBER BEGAN THE ADVANCED ROTC PROGRAM; (C) BREAKS IN SERVICE - DIEMS IS THE DATE THE MEMBER INITIALLY ENTERED AN ACTIVE OR RESERVE COMPONENT BEFORE ANY BREAK IN SERVICE; (D) DELAYED ENTRY PROGRAM (DEP) OR DELAYED COMMISSIONING PROGRAM (DCP)-DIEMS IS THE DATE THE DEP OR DCP CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. SEE REFERENCE D FOR A SPREADSHEET LISTING THE DOCUMENTS THAT CAN BE USED TO VERIFY A DIEMS DATE. 4. THE STATUTORY CHANGE IN REFERENCE B BECAME EFFECTIVE 1 OCT 99, HOWEVER, NO SERVICE MEMBER (SM) WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO MAKE A CSB/REDUX ELECTION BEFORE 1 AUG 01. SMS SHOULD MUST BE NOTIFIED AT THIER 14-1/2 YEAR OF AFS. THEREFORE, EACH SM SHOULD BE NOTIFIED NLT 6 MONTHS PRIOR TO THE DATE THEY COMPLETE 15 YEARS OF AFS. SINCE THE FIRST MEMBERS AFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE WILL REACH 15 YEARS OF AFS ON 1 AUG 01, THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED DURING THE MONTH OF FEB 01. INSTALLATIONS MUST IDENTIFY SOLDIERS THAT HAVE DIEMS DATES OF 1 AUG 86 OR LATER, DETERMINE THEIR ELIGIBILITY, AND HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE TO BEGIN NOTIFICATION IN FEB 01. 5. ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA: A SM IS ELIGIBLE TO MAKE A CSB/REDUX ELECTION IF THE SOLDIER MEETS THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA SPECIFIED IN THE FOLLOWING SUBPARAGRAPHS AT THE TIME THE MEMBER COMPLETES 15 YEARS (AFS). A SM WHO DOES NOT MEET ALL OF THE CRITERIA AT THAT TIME BUT BECOMES ELIGIBLE AT A LATER DATE, WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CSB ELECTION AS SOON AS THE CRITERIA IS MET. TO MAKE A CSB/REDUX ELECTION, A SM: A. MUST BE SERVING ON ACTIVE DUTY B. MUST HAVE A DIEMS DATE OF 1 AUG 86 OR LATER C. MUST HAVE COMPLETED 15 YEARS AFS AND BE ELIGIBLE TO COMPLETE 20 YEARS AFS D. MUST NOT HAVE AN APPROVED SEPARATION OR RETIREMENT E. MUST NOT BE PENDING AN MEB/PEB. ONCE MEMBER IS FOUND FIT FOR DUTY, MEMBER WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR CSB. IF MEMBER IS NOT FOUND FIT AND RECEIVES A MEDICAL RETIREMENT, BY LAW, THE RETIRED PAY OPTION WILL BE HIGH-3. F. IF ENLISTED, MUST BE ELIGIBLE TO REENLIST UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF AR 601-280. MUST NOT BE PENDING A DISCHARGE ACTION, NOTIFIED OF QUALITATIVE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM PROCEEDINGS, NOR FLAGGED PENDING COURT-MARTIAL PROCEEDINGS. UPON FAVORABLE RESOLUTION OF ALL ADVERSE SEPARATION ACTIONS, PROVIDING THERE ARE NO OTHER DISQUALIFYING FACTORS, THE SM THEN BECOMES ELIGIBLE TO ELECT THE CSB. G. IF AN OFFICER, MUST NOT BE PENDING A SHOW CAUSE, AWAITING INVOLUNTARY SEPARATION, NOR FLAGGED PENDING COURT-MARTIAL PROCEEDINGS. UPON FAVORABLE COMPLETION OF THE SHOW CAUSE, OR INVOLUNTARY SEPARATION ACTION, AND IF THERE ARE NO OTHER DISQUALIFYING FACTORS, THE SM THEN BECOMES ELIGIBLE FOR THE CSB/REDUX. 6. COMMANDERS MUST NOTIFY SOLDIERS WITH DIEMS DATES OF 1 AUG 86 OR LATER OF THEIR ELIGIBLITY OR INELIGIBILITY TO ELECT CSB/REDUX. ELIGIBILITY WILL BE BASED ON HAVING NO KNOWN PENDING ACTIONS SPECIFIED IN SUBPARAGRAPHS D THROUGH G ABOVE OR ANY OTHER FACTORS THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THE SM FROM ATTAINING 20 YEARS AFS. NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES WILL BE FURNISHED VIA SEPARATE MESSAGE UPON RECEIPT OF THE FINAL DOD CSB/REDUX GUIDANCE. 7. THE ARMY WILL USE THE DIEMS DATA IN SIDPERS-3 TO IDENTIFY ELIGIBLE SOLDIERS. THE INSTALLATION PERSONNEL ADMINISTRATION SECTION (PAS) WILL ACCESS THE FIELD SYSTEMS DIVISION, HELP DESK MAILBOX 12 TO RUN THE DIEMS STRUCTURE QUERY LANGUAGE (SQL)(SEE REFERENCE D) TO OBTAIN A LISTING OF SOLDIERS WITH DIEMS DATES OF 1 AUG 86 AND LATER. THE DATA FIELD FOR DIEMS IN SIDPERS-3 IS THE "INITIAL ENTRY DATE MILITARY SERVICE (IEDMS). THE DIEMS SQL IS DESIGNED TO ALLOW INSTALLATIONS TO RUN QUERIES THAT WILL INCLUDE THE DIEMS (IEDMS), BASD AND PEBD TO EASILY IDENTIFY ANY DISCREPANCIES. THE QUERY ALSO IDENTIFIES SOLDIERS FLAGGED FOR ADVERSE ACTION OR WITH A BAR TO REENLISTMENT. 8. THE DIEMS DATA IN SIDPERS-3 FOR ENLISTED SOLDIERS AND WEST POINT GRADUATES FROM YEAR GROUPS 1989 FORWARD ARE FAIRLY ACCURATE. PERSCOM WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN ONLY THE DIEMS MONTH AND YEAR FOR ROTC OFFICERS IN YEAR GROUPS 1992 AND 1994 THROUGH 1999. THEREFORE, WE USED A DEFAULT OF THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH. ROTC OFFICERS IN THESE YEAR GROUPS NEED CHANGE THEIR DIEMS DATE ONLY IF THE MONTH OR YEAR SHOWN IS INCORRECT. DIEMS DATES FOR ROTC OFFICERS WHO HAVE ENLISTED ACTIVE OR RESERVE SERVICE PRIOR TO ACCEPTANCE OF A ROTC SCHOLARSHIP OR THE START OF THEIR ROTC ADVANCED COURSE ARE ALSO RESIDENT IN THE DATABASE AND ARE FAIRLY ACCURATE. UNFORTUNATELY, DIEMS DATES FOR ROTC YEAR GROUPS NOT MENTIONED ABOVE (YEAR GROUPS 1986-1991 AND 1993) AND MOST SPECIAL BRANCH OFFICERS ARE NOT AVAILABLE. THEREFORE, INSTALLATIONS SHOULD CONDUCT MANUAL VERIFICATION OF DIEMS DATES FOR OFFICERS THAT FALL UNDER THOSE COMMISSIONING CATEGORIES. KEEP IN MIND, THE PRIORITY FOR VERIFICATION OF DIEMS DATES IS FOR THOSE MEMBERS THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CSB/REDUX RETIRED PAY OPTION (THOSE WITH DIEMS DATES OF 1 AUG 86 OR LATER). THE PROCEDURES FOR UPDATING THE IEDMS (DIEMS DATA FIELD IN SIDPERS-3) ARE AT REFERENCE E. COMMANDERS, PERSONNEL AGENCIES, AND INDIVIDUAL SOLDIERS MUST TAKE ACTION TO ENSURE THE DIEMS DATA IS CORRECT. 9. IN AN EFFORT TO ASSIST INSTALLATIONS IN THE VERIFICATION OF SOLDIERS ELIGIBLE FOR THE CSB/REDUX, DIEMS DATES WILL BE POSTED ON FUTURE LES. DFAS ANTICIPATES BEING ABLE TO POST THEM IN THE REMARKS SECTION OF THE LES ON EITHER THE END OF MONTH FEBRUARY OR END OF MONTH MARCH LES. INSTALLATIONS SHOULD BEGIN LOCAL MEDIA PLANS TO EDUCATE SOLDIERS ON THE CSB/REDUX RETIRED PAY PLAN AND HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE TO VERIFY AND CORRECT DIEMS DATA IN SIDPERS-3 BEFORE THE DATES APPEAR ON THE LES. KEEP IN MIND THAT SOLDIERS WITH DIEMS DATES OF 1 AUG 86 AND FORWARD ARE THE FIRST PRIORITY FOR VERIFICATION AND CORRECTION. STARTING THE MONTH OF FEB, NOTIFICATION OF ELIGIBILITY SHOULD BE CONDUCTED ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR SOLDIERS THAT ARE AT THEIR 14-1/2 YEAR OF AFS. ACCURATE DIEMS DATES MUST BE CAPTURED FOR ALL SOLDIERS BY FY03. RECOMMEND INSTALLATIONS DEVELOP PROCEDURES TO VERIFY DIEMS DATES DURING ANNUAL RECORDS REVIEWS, SOLDIER READINESS PROCESSING, PROMOTION RECORDS REVIEWS, AND DURING IN/OUT PROCESSING. 10. SOLDIERS WILL BE NOTIFIED NO LATER THAN THEIR 14-1/2 YEAR OF AFS CONCERNING ELIGIBILITY OR NON-ELIGIBILITY FOR CSB/REDUX. SOLDIERS WILL HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THEIR DATE OF NOTIFICATION OR UNTIL THEIR 15TH YEAR OF AFS, IF THAT IS A LATER DATE, TO MAKE THEIR CSB/REDUX ELECTION; HOWEVER, ANY ELECTION RECEIVED BEFORE THE SOLDIER’S 15TH YEAR OF AFS WILL NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE UNTIL THE 15H YEAR OF AFS. SOLDIERS WHO ARE NOTIFIED AFTER THEIR 14-1/2 YEAR OF AFS WILL HAVE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF NOTIFICATION TO MAKE THEIR ELECTION. HOWEVER, IF THEY RETURN THEIR ELECTION BEFORE THEIR 15TH YEAR OF AFS, IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ON THEIR 15TH YEAR OF AFS. ELECTIONS RECEIVED AFTER THE 15TH YEAR OF AFS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ON THE DATE RECEIVED. BEFORE AN ELECTION BECOMES EFFECTIVE, THE MEMBER MAY WITHDRAW THE ELECTION. ONCE EFFECTIVE, THE ELECTION BECOMES IRREVOCABLE. 11. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE NOTIFICATION AND COUNSELING PROCEDURES WILL BE FURNISHED BY SEPARATE MESSAGE UPON RECEIPT OF THE FINAL DOD GUIDANCE. 12. REQUEST EACH MACOM PROVIDE A CSB/REDUX POINT OF CONTACT (POC) TO RECEIVE FURTHER DOD AND ARMY CSB/REDUX IMPLEMENTATION GUIDANCE NLT 16 FEB 01. 13. POINTS OF CONTACT FOR THIS MESSAGE ARE MAJ DEBORAH IVORY, CHIEF, RETIREMENTS AND SEPARATIONS BRANCH, PERSCOM DSN 221-3912 OR COMMERCIAL 703-325-3912, IVORYD@HOFFMAN.ARMY.MIL AND MELISSA DEAN, ARMY RETIREMENT SERVICES, ODSCPER, DSN 221-2697 OR COMMERCIAL 703-325-2697, DEANM@HOFFMAN.ARMY.MIL.
UPDATE TO PARA 13 (12/31/02): POINT OF CONTACT FOR THIS MESSAGE IS ARMY RETIREMENT SERVICES, G-1, DSN 221-2697 OR COMMERCIAL 703-325-2697.
Ok, I just read your post on compassionate assignment and now this. For a 19+ year vet does your husband want to retire, stay in or retire in a place where you father is at in Florida to align for his future civilian endeavors?
No "wise" my husband JUST realized that there were 2 different options. He had never heard of the redux before yesterday. He only thought there was the traditional retirement. And YES he does know where to find "answers" but it is hard to find "answers" when it is a 4 day weekend. No he is not a "specialist" so thank you for the "wise" @ss answer.
He can not stay in past 20 due to his MOS is being cut out. And the compassionate reassignment for his dad was just a question. I apologize if my husband doesnt want to go and run to his COC for every question. He likes to ask around first to get repsones from others before wasting the COC time, if it isnt feasible. However if it were my husbands choice he would stay in the Army until he was 90
Originally posted by armywife94e: No he is not a "specialist" so thank you for the "wise" @ss answer.
You very welcome but I knew about the REDUX for ages already but I came in 1983.
So from your responses, your husband is either an E5 or maybe an E6. No way an E7 or higher. Impossible if he is this much uninformed. Hmm, you know he is able to ACAP two years before his retirement and should have received his retirement brief already. You do know that? Perhaps if he did, he would know.
Plus the Army is not going to compassionate reassigned someone with less than 2 years remaining in the Army. Also, nothing wrong with asking the COC about this because it is part of their job. Also, why the rush? He cant talk to anybody about it until today. I rather do that than to have my wife ask about her husband's situation. Who wears the pants?
BTW, I am in Afghanistan and do not have the luxury of four-day weekends. But when off-duty, this board does kill time.