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Originally posted by flux311:
This is an extremely stupid regulation. It's a slap in the face.
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Petition your Congressperson and/or Chain of Command to change the regulation. Read the front or back, it says where suggestions should be sent. And/or contact HRC/G-1 and ask the to change it. If enough people push for it, then it might just happen.

But nothing will be done complaining to strangers on the interwebz...


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When I was an MP, we had an MP in my platoon who was a former Marine MP and had orders that he was with 1st MarDiv in Iraq. He wore that patch on his ACUs. Talk your S1.
 
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And I want to add that this is usually the norm by former Marines who are combat vets and are now in the Army. Certain Marine patches are authorized as combat patches in the Army. And this is due to the history that the Corps use to wear patches on their uniform eons ago. The AF and Navy do not wear patches on their regular utility uniform that are recognized and approved by the Army. I have seen Sailors and Airmen attached to US Army units wearing the ACU/Multicam and wearing the unit's combat patch.

It has nothing to do with being stupid. Also, the combat patch is currently optional for wear on the US Army uniform so basically, you do not need to wear a patch to hold that recognition.
 
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This is an extremely stupid regulation. It's a slap in the face.

A CSM personally told me, "It's a BS regulation... you earned it... wear it."

Basically it's saying that someone who was in the Army and worked an administrative job sitting behind a desk in a nice air conditioned office on the FOB in Iraq or Afghanistan deserves to wear the patch more than a prior service soldier from a different branch who was deployed in the same location and went on convoys and patrols or busted their ass standing outside on post in the heat.

I was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in the USAF as Security Forces before I switched to the Army NG and wear my MNFI patch with pride. I saw another airman almost get her head sliced off from shrapnel after a rocket attack. I don't deserve to wear a patch on my right shoulder since I was in the AF when I deployed? But the Army paper-pusher who sat in an office all day does? That makes sense...


Boo hoo, your post is whiny and you sound like a self-entitled malcontent. Let me guess, you're a Specialist aren't you? If you want a combat patch so bad, you should have joined the Army, bottom line. It doesn't matter what you saw/experienced. A SSI-FWTS is just a patch man, get over it. If you've been to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, you have the respective ribbons to show it, if you actually engaged or were engaged by the enemy, then you should have a Combat Action Medal, even better. Now you have a cool story to tell when everyone asks you what the heck that ribbon is.

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Originally posted by TheWiseChief:
When I was an MP, we had an MP in my platoon who was a former Marine MP and had orders that he was with 1st MarDiv in Iraq. He wore that patch on his ACUs. Talk your S1.


If he was a Marine when he deployed, then wearing that patch is wrong. Every single former Marine who is now Army and wearing a combat patch to represent a deployment they had as a Marine is wrong.
 
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Well, I am looking at the ALARACT now which is 2010 and I was with him in 2005 to 2007 before it came out. That is why I said to engage his S1.

http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/...message_178-2010.pdf
 
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Well, I am looking at the ALARACT now which is 2010 and I was with him in 2005 to 2007 before it came out and patches were out of control during that time. That is why I said to engage his S1.

http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/...message_178-2010.pdf


And I even read this before I posed here.

http://www.ar15.com/archive/to...ml?b=1&f=77&t=544346
 
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I cannot edit my posts. Hardcorpsarmy is a former Marine and answered the question on page 1. My buddy is wrong but I guess I still see the problem persists.
 
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and another conflicting thread on this site

http://community.armystudyguid...041/m/5691060312/p/2

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I double checked the new ALARACT and called my S-1, us prior Marines can wear our unit combat patches. The only catch is that your G-1 has to approve it. It is also true that active Army attached to a Marine unit cannot wear the Marine unit patch anymore. Another thing for those prior Marines who have not deployed with an Army unit, your combat action ribbon does not convert into a CIB. The order for that is kind of crazy saying the CAR does not equal the CIB when both orders are the same. Just figure I would put that out there since I have seen a few prior Marines trying to rock a CIB!
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And erik you are in that thread too. You seem to not continue the debate when PSD said he could wear it.
 
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And erik you are in that thread too. You seem to not continue the debate when PSD said he could wear it.


Yes I was in that thread, even three years ago, I was saying the same thing. Marine combat patches from combat tours as a Marine = NO GO. The only thing I would recant from that was three years ago I said "I wouldn't care". I was a pretty young Sergeant at the time and might not have completely grasped the idea of upholding the standards, or not "picking and choosing" which ones we enforce.

The ALARACT came out because of the combat patch proliferation that was going on.

As far as PSD is concerned, he was trying to debate with me that a CIB is the same thing as a CAR because they're for the same thing. I said my piece and was done with it, I wasn't implicitly agreeing with him.
 
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but really..............I'm just here to see if flux311 comes back to defend his rant, should be fun.
 
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but really..............I'm just here to see if flux311 comes back to defend his rant, should be fun.


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Boo hoo, your post is whiny and you sound like a self-entitled malcontent. Let me guess, you're a Specialist aren't you? If you want a combat patch so bad, you should have joined the Army, bottom line. It doesn't matter what you saw/experienced. A SSI-FWTS is just a patch man, get over it. If you've been to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, you have the respective ribbons to show it, if you actually engaged or were engaged by the enemy, then you should have a Combat Action Medal, even better. Now you have a cool story to tell when everyone asks you what the heck that ribbon is.


You contradict yourself with your logic and your post is riddled with ignorance.

You say that it's just a patch and to get over it. If that is the case and it's "just a patch" then why the hell do you care if a prior service soldier that deployed with another branch wears the SSI-FWTS of the command or unit that they were under? It's just a patch, right?

"Because it's against the regulations."

Why is it against the regulations? Because, the sister services do not issue combat patches? Because the soldier wasn't a part of the US Army during their deployment? Last time I checked we were all on the same team, the United States military. We all have the same mission and all of us raised our hand and took an oath to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic.

If you deployed and were under a unit or command, no matter what branch you were in, your arse belonged to that unit - you busted your ass for that unit, sweat for that unit, maybe even bled for that unit.

Then when you decide to go green the regulations say, "sorry bud, you weren't in our branch when you served in the war, no patch for you." All you get is a velcro box that leaves you open to the ever so irritating, "Don't worry, you'll find out when you deploy..." which is said in a rather condescending tone 99% of the time - sometimes from individuals and NCO's whom you've been in longer than. You are no longer distinguishable from the specialist soup sandwich that just got out of AIT and that hasn't done anything yet except for train and PT - the specialist that hasn't even come close to doing what you have done.

It's more than just a patch.

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I was a pretty young Sergeant at the time and might not have completely grasped the idea of upholding the standards, or not "picking and choosing" which ones we enforce.


So what you are saying is now that you are no longer a young sergeant, you blindly enforce regulations no matter how asinine they are. Understandable - that is your duty as an NCO I guess.. Even though making people take off a patch that they earned because of a ridiculous reg serves absolutely no purpose except for waste the minute it took to inquire about the patch, brief them on the regulations and instruct them to take it off. A minute where you could be doing something else more productive instead of being a doucher.

I understand that a soldier who has never deployed wearing a combat patch because it "looks cool" being a NO GO for obvious reasons. But this regulation regarding prior-service soldiers who deployed while they were in other branches is completely 100% bullsh*t and you know it. Like I said before, it is a slap in the face.

I have already contacted the proper channels regarding this regulation and will keep doing so - not sure if it will bring about any change but we'll see.

I wear it anyways. Nobody (NCO's and officers) in my unit cares and a CSM told me to.

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"Don't worry, you'll find out when you deploy..." .


Amy deployment is different than Marine Corps deployment, but I would ignore most of what comes out of the mouth of someone who says crap like that.


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