yeah I had a friend get chewed out by a 1sgt for walking and smoking and I also seen someone get it for walking and talking with a blue tooth in there ear so its just one of them things thats not in a reg but its the standard.
Wearing a blue tooth device is like wearing Headphone on ur ipod, zune or what ever u have. It reduces the amount of hearing on that side of the head. So that is why its not allowed whiling wearing ur uniform. To me I do not like the blue tooth because u see someone talking and u think that there talking to you and then u notice the war piece. Ive had this happen to me and I don't thinks its professional at all. Your just being lazy thats all. So there.
Originally posted by 19D-Scouts Out: yeah I had a friend get chewed out by a 1sgt for walking and smoking and I also seen someone get it for walking and talking with a blue tooth in there ear so its just one of them things thats not in a reg but its the standard.
Actually the regulation was just updated to reflect that you can use bluetooth while in uniform while operating a vehicle, but once you get out you need to take it off...if you want me to I'll look it up again and provide you the specific source.
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I had my blue tooth head set on walking into walmart the other day and a 1SG squared me away on that no big deal. You only have to tell me once. I agree to extent about that walking and talking on phones, smoking etc. It can look very unprofessional depending on where you are at(would not reccomend doing it while you are walking up to youre head quarters building). I know when i was in the Marines you couldnt walk and smoke, chew food, drink, just about everything. They were real big on that stuff
Here, bluetooth is OK while driving, but post policy says no to using it while walking. I still see people walking around with their phone's on speakerphone..trying to get around the reg. Not only are they still wrong, but they look stupid at the same time.
Pet peeve of mine..I hate seeing NCO's walking down the street talking away with their cell phone to their ear. This is not a new reg.
OK, I finally ran into a situation where I was asked why I was walking and smoking. I have been waiting for this not to challenge, but actually see this policy. Anyways, a 1SG stopped me and asked me if I heard of the Army's no smoking and walking policy. I told him I have heard but when I ask to see it, it cant be found. This 1SG then asked if I plan to continue to break Army regulation. I, of course, said no, but asked him what Army Regulation can I reference this to. He, of course said come to his office and he will show it to me and then again I asked, what AR is this policy in so I can D/L it from USAPA and have it for myself. He then said its not in a AR but signed by his commander who is Mayor of the FOB where I am located. I then said ok, I understand that there is a signed local policy which he will show me for which we went to his office and he showed me. My comment to 1SG is this, I understand that smoking and walking, smoking in general actually, does not look professional in many eyes. So I said, why is there smoking areas located generally in the open and not in some cubby, so to speak, to remove the unprofessional look. Secondly, since a local policy so profound on most army installations, why is it not in Army Regulation? I presume to say that there are legality issues. I find that there is no safety issue as with the cell phone and walking as a person talking on the phone is paying attention to who is on the line and not what is going on around him/her. My point is that if it is so unprofessional, make it standard per Army Reg, not local policy. That way the standard is across the Army, and that local commanders don't have to waste time and additional energy to promote something that is so unprofessional.
5. AR 670-1, PARAGRAPH 1-9A(2)(B) IS CHANGED TO PROHIBIT WEAR OF WIRELESS BLUETOOTH DEVICES WHILE WEARING ARMY UNIFORMS.
PROHIBIT 1.to forbid (an action, activity, etc.) by authority or law 2.to forbid the action of (a person). 3.to prevent; hinder.
Not that all personnel in the Army use common sense but if you can't use your phone with bluetooth why even try and use it without one. I can understand that some people have issued cell phones but I think that cell phones should not even be allowed to be used during work hours unless it's on your own time. That's just my opinion but it would most likely end all the confusion with the regulations.
Here's the other thing I don't get. Soldiers in uniform are prohibited from wearing bluetooth. Now, why wouldn't that carry over to a vehicle if your in uniform? I know most posts allow the use of wireless but what if your in uniform?
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Originally posted by 94Y SSG: OK, I finally ran into a situation where I was asked why I was walking and smoking. I have been waiting for this not to challenge, but actually see this policy. Anyways, a 1SG stopped me and asked me if I heard of the Army's no smoking and walking policy. I told him I have heard but when I ask to see it, it cant be found. This 1SG then asked if I plan to continue to break Army regulation. I, of course, said no, but asked him what Army Regulation can I reference this to. He, of course said come to his office and he will show it to me and then again I asked, what AR is this policy in so I can D/L it from USAPA and have it for myself. He then said its not in a AR but signed by his commander who is Mayor of the FOB where I am located. I then said ok, I understand that there is a signed local policy which he will show me for which we went to his office and he showed me. My comment to 1SG is this, I understand that smoking and walking, smoking in general actually, does not look professional in many eyes. So I said, why is there smoking areas located generally in the open and not in some cubby, so to speak, to remove the unprofessional look. Secondly, since a local policy so profound on most army installations, why is it not in Army Regulation? I presume to say that there are legality issues. I find that there is no safety issue as with the cell phone and walking as a person talking on the phone is paying attention to who is on the line and not what is going on around him/her. My point is that if it is so unprofessional, make it standard per Army Reg, not local policy. That way the standard is across the Army, and that local commanders don't have to waste time and additional energy to promote something that is so unprofessional.
The issue of "why isn't it an AR rather than a local policy" is because it takes more work to push it to DA to make it an AR. I'm not certain what the exact process is but I'm sure it takes alot of brass to make it happen. However once it becomes an AR, all members of the Army will be required to adhere to the reg, and there are NCO's and a whole slew of officers who tend to act as if they are above the regs and they aren't going to like it when corporal Snuffy tactfully informs them that there conversation or cigarette, however important it may be, should be continued at a stand still. Just my two cents.
5. AR 670-1, PARAGRAPH 1-9A(2)(B) IS CHANGED TO PROHIBIT WEAR OF WIRELESS BLUETOOTH DEVICES WHILE WEARING ARMY UNIFORMS.
Here's the other thing I don't get. Soldiers in uniform are prohibited from wearing bluetooth. Now, why wouldn't that carry over to a vehicle if your in uniform? I know most posts allow the use of wireless but what if your in uniform?
B/c policy states that for safety reasons if you want to talk on the phone while operating a vehicle you have to wear bluetooth, its more of a common sense thing than anything else.
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Let me tell you about something that happended to me today. I was walking down the sidewalk holding my duaghter's hand as my wife walked in front of us. I looked up to see a male passing me by as a Soldier in uniform walked behind him. This female SSG was talking on her Bluetooth with NO headgear. I can't believe what our NCO corps has become. Are you kidding me? The parking lot was at least 200 m from the building. We have gotten lazy, incompetant and childish in our acts and deeds. Do we need a reg stamped " DA approved" to know what is right? Does it feel right? Do you think that it looks right? What does AR 600-20 say about calling each other "Sarge"? What does it say about calling each other by our first name? Do you even know what the reg says or have you even cracked it? What do you think a Soldier would think if you they saw you walking down the sidewalk with a Bluetooh hanging off your ear and you passed them by? Do we need to be told that walking and smoking/eating/talking on the cellphone or wearing a Bluetooth is wrong? Do you think that it looks professional? We may not write policy but I ensure you that somewhere along that chain some NCO put their two cents if not three on what looks right while in uniform or out of it. Check you six because some Soldier is watching you and trying to figure out what is right. I tell all my Soliders you learn from good leaders and bad. You either learn how to be like them or how to be NOT like them.
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Originally posted by OH-58D KW Armt: Let me tell you about something that happended to me today. I was walking down the sidewalk holding my duaghter's hand as my wife walked in front of us. I looked up to see a male passing me by as a Soldier in uniform walked behind him. This female SSG was talking on her Bluetooth with NO headgear. I can't believe what our NCO corps has become. Are you kidding me? The parking lot was at least 200 m from the building. We have gotten lazy, incompetant and childish in our acts and deeds. Do we need a reg stamped " DA approved" to know what is right? Does it feel right? Do you think that it looks right? What does AR 600-20 say about calling each other "Sarge"? What does it say about calling each other by our first name? Do you even know what the reg says or have you even cracked it? What do you think a Soldier would think if you they saw you walking down the sidewalk with a Bluetooh hanging off your ear and you passed them by? Do we need to be told that walking and smoking/eating/talking on the cellphone or wearing a Bluetooth is wrong? Do you think that it looks professional? We may not write policy but I ensure you that somewhere along that chain some NCO put their two cents if not three on what looks right while in uniform or out of it. Check you six because some Soldier is watching you and trying to figure out what is right. I tell all my Soliders you learn from good leaders and bad. You either learn how to be like them or how to be NOT like them.
Did you not stop and correct this NCO? What would a junior Soldier think if he saw one NCO pass another NCO who was violating regulation and not say anything?
I know what my CSM would do about this. He'd stop both NCOs and dig into both of their asses equally.
It takes a brave person to openly violate regulation but it takes an even braver person to do the right thing and correct that individual.
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Here in Hawaii it just came out that we are allowed to walk and talk on a cell phone. Bluetooths I save for my office and car though. I still see people get harassed for doing it by people that apparently didn't get the memo, which is why I don't personally do it, but by post rules we are allowed to.
haha I saw a Soldier yesterday walking down the street with his "backpack" with the strap across his chest, so I stop and correct him, and continue on my way home (he looked mad but fixed it anywayz)...Soooo, I am driving to work today, and who do I see, walking down the same street, with the same "backpack"? yup that same Soldier, so I stop "Hey, didnt I correct you about this already? fix it, that is twice, TWICE!" And went to work, holy crap the guy knows it wrong, was told the day before to fix it, yet he does it again, and to top it off, it was me again that had to correct him the second time.
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Today I seen this O-5 in the px with his head set and this Gunny in the marines came up and not o nicely told him to remove it. Most of the I am more then happy to make an on the spot correction. But I figured a 0-5 knew better. Plus I could tell by his patch that he was permanent party and not a reservist. Now what kind of made me mad was the way the gunny was talking to this field grade officer. And I started to say something to him about it. But what do I like a E-4 rushing to an O-5 defense.
This should not be an issue. Show me one person that actually wears a blue tooth in public and I am willing to bet they are a level 63 elf on world of warcraft!
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