I need a little help here and figured I would start here. I need to retake my DA photo and have a question on the wear of the parachutist badge. While stationed at Fort Bragg I attended airborne school like the majority of the soldiers there. I was on jump status for 3 years. I was diagnosed with Cancer about a year ago. I recieved all the necessary treatment and am now in remission. I am doing well now and have re enlisted for six more years in this great army. So let me explain this. I was told by my doctor that jumping will probably never be an option to me again due to the hardware I had put in my body. It has been medically documented by my doc. My S1 wrote a memo with my sig. block saying I am willing to drop my "P" Identifier. Even though it hurt my pride I signed it of course because I can not jump anymore. Am I still authorized to wear the wings on my ACU's, I also have foreign jump wing orders. I want to do the right thing and have no problems taking them off as I have nothing to prove. But my ERB does not have the "P" Identifier anymore and I dont want it to conflict with my DA photo! Help me out, or at least show me where to begin looking. V/R
As far as I know you completed the school so you are authorized to wear the Wings. Also if the school is on your ERB and so are the wings Id wear them. Look at all those 5 jump chumps that are never in a Airborne unit but still wear the wings.
I understand why they would want to take away your identifier, because when you PCS they use that to assign you to a unit. They wouldn't want to send you to a unit on jump status when you can't jump. But You earned the Airborne wings. They signify that you are Airborne qualified. This is just my opinion, but the way I see it is you earned your wings, therefore you should wear them. Also, is airborne trainign still in the military training portion of your ERB, do you still have your orders authorizing the wear of the airborne wings?
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There is specific s about the wear of the Parachutist badge and it all depends on how long you were qualified as a "P". I believe it is a year or two, because people who go to Airborne school and then decide they do not want to be Airborne(since it is strictly voluntary) do not get to continue the wear of the Parachutist badge, but in your case keep on wearing it. The foreign wings are yours once you make the jump and have the orders/certificate. Make sure your ERB says under awards that you qualify to wear the Parachutist Badge!!! It does not matter if you no longer have the "P" identifier though.
There is specific s about the wear of the Parachutist badge and it all depends on how long you were qualified as a "P". I believe it is a year or two, because people who go to Airborne school and then decide they do not want to be Airborne(since it is strictly voluntary) do not get to continue the wear of the Parachutist badge, but in your case keep on wearing it.
That's not true at all. I have been in many leg units where Soldiers got the airborne in their enlistment. They come to a unit that is not on jump status and still get to wear their wings.
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Yes, but if they actually decline/ "UN"Volunteer to be Airborne then they are not entitled to continue wearing their jump wings unless they have been airborne for an approximate time.
In the people in your units case, they have never declined to be Airborne, they were just never assigned to an Airborne Unit.
Originally posted by jpmaes0622: Yes, but if they actually decline/ "UN"Volunteer to be Airborne then they are not entitled to continue wearing their jump wings unless they have been airborne for an approximate time.
In the people in your units case, they have never declined to be Airborne, they were just never assigned to an Airborne Unit.
Are you kidding me?
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Originally posted by SSG Hammy: I understand why they would want to take away your identifier, because when you PCS they use that to assign you to a unit. They wouldn't want to send you to a unit on jump status when you can't jump. But You earned the Airborne wings. They signify that you are Airborne qualified. This is just my opinion, but the way I see it is you earned your wings, therefore you should wear them. Also, is airborne trainign still in the military training portion of your ERB, do you still have your orders authorizing the wear of the airborne wings?
This is exactly why they removed my "P" identifier. When i finally got my RTD orders from my unit I believe that DA took it literally just looking at me as a number, which of course is there job. One myself and the 1SG called branch and explained what I had been through they deleted the assignment the next day and re assigned me as Cadre in a WTU. Anyway yes I still have my graduation certificate, jump orders and jump log. My ERB does show in the awards and decorations section the "Parachutist Badge". I have my foreign jump certificates and orders to wear also. As far as being medically cleared to jump again. Is all it would take is a 4187 saying my "P" identifier has been added and attending refresher course. I am not on Bragg anymore and I know the answers would be so easy to get there. But where I am at now no one has any idea!! I think there shouldnt be any issue with jumping once I get this hardware out of my body. Thanks for all your answers, I'll do a little digging and see if i can find it in a reg. Airborne!!
yes I still have my graduation certificate, jump orders and jump log. My ERB does show in the awards and decorations section the "Parachutist Badge". I have my foreign jump certificates and orders to wear also. As far as being medically cleared to jump again. Is all it would take is a 4187 saying my "P" identifier has been added and attending refresher course. I am not on Bragg anymore and I know the answers would be so easy to get there. But where I am at now no one has any idea!! I think
If there are people on Airborne status with two prosthetics, then as long as you are up to the task, you should not have an issue jumping again. They may not put you in a front line unit, but you can definitely be put back to an airborne unit and regain that "P" identifier. Contact Bragg and don't take no for an answer. They always need motivated Airborne soldiers. You have given so much, demand what you want brother.
1–31. Revocation of badges, Ranger Tab, Special Forces Tab, and Sapper Tab a. Commanders authorized to award combat and special skill badges are authorized to revoke such awards. An award,once revoked, will not be reinstated except by USAHRC ,ATTN:AHRC – PDO – PA ,Alexandria,VA 22332–0471, when fully justified. When desirable, the awarding authority may refer the revocation request to USA HRC, ATTN: AHRC–PDO–PA, Alexandria, VA 22332–0471, for appropriate action. b. Revocation of awards of badges will be announced in permanent orders, except that revocations which are automatically effected, as prescribed in this regulation, need not be announced in orders; see paragraphs c(1) through (9), below. c. Award of badges may be revoked under any of the following conditions: (1) An award of any combat and special skill badge will be automatically revoked on dismissal, dishonorable discharge, or conviction by courts-martial for desertion in wartime. Wartime is defined in the glossary. (2) Parachutist Badge. Any Parachutist badge may be revoked when the awardee— (a) Is punished under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) for refusal to participate in a parachute jump. (b) Initiates action which results in termination of airborne status or withdrawal of any Career Management Field (CMF) 18 military occupational specialty (MOS), 180A or specialty skill identifier (SSI) 18A before he or she completes 36 cumulative months of airborne duty. Any parachutist badge with bronze star for a combat jump will be retained regardless of time on airborne status. Any parachutist badge will be retained if the Soldier is unable to complete 36 cumulative months of airborne duty through no fault of his or her own, for example, injury or reassignment under favorable conditions.
I found this in the 600-8-22, and I am pretty sure this is a No fault of my own situation even though I had to sign the document stating I could not jump.
I have every intention of going back to bragg and jumping again. I just think its the best idea for me to do it right this moment. 2 years down the road I know I am going to be hella ready to get back to my old self. Honestly speaking I don't think i could handle that op tempo quite yet. I could but it would be tough. Just trying to prepare myself for the future because the fact is I WANT to jump again, but the Doctors are telling me no for at least for 2 years due to weak bones from Chemotherapy and Radiation. JP thanks for your encouragement, and I will get there in a matter of time. SSG Kelley
As a former S-3 Air NCO, they are not going to take your wing due to medical conditions. If you refused to jump they could because once the Army sends you to the Basic Airborne Course you agree (knowingly or not) to serve 36 months on status. If you never do, lucky on your part. If you fail to complete the 36 months on status by requesting your "P" identifier be removed you will lose your wings.
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