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I though it was reprisal as well..Im very low enlisted, and I know where i stand on the totem pole.. I respect the ranks sincerely, however I am willing to admit I am afraid of what he may do to me, or try to do to me. Career wise. I wish he never started with this.. And yes @ eyeinthesky i wanted to just sign it and get over it...and i did sign it. But i wrote my remarks also, 2 pages...But i felt that if i let it go, that i would let him win and basically agree to all the BS he wrote in the counseling statement. I did a great job in there as a PFC. he literally decided to write everything he could possibly think of that was negative and included it. I had an Nco stop by my house, and she took a look at the counseling. The first thing she said was this is completely negative...and that you have a valid arguement.. She said there should be a sustainment section as well as i dont know what the opposite would be but...downfalls or shortcomings? I feel that if i let this go, that he wins...And im the dumb little private who was taken advantage of. The way he talks and looks at and treats females is disgusting. Its rediculous.. But the whole company is a joke in the same ways, and other ways. Im trying to get transferred to another company within the Bn. Hopefully something will come of this.. and yes i plan on making the complaint formal on monday morning. I believe that he is retaliating against me for the 1st complaint in which he thought i made, and then the 2nd complaint in which i did make on him. Its not right.....What do you think the outcomes could be? And have any of you ever seen anything quite like this.. ? THANKS very much for your input, even though im a PFC and your probably NCOS...it makes me feel a lot better to know that their are some good leaders out there, who will take a stand against another fellow NCO if they are in the wrong

THANKS AGAIN


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Posted 18 November 2003 21:09
How many of you soldiers out there actually receive a monthly performance counseling from your 1st line supervisors? Out of those soldiers,.........how many of you have received counselings that you feel are helping you develop as a soldier?

For you NCOs,.........how many of you have received your initial counseling within the first 30 days of your rating period? How many of your supervisors took the time to sit down with you and explain the NCOER Counseling Checklist and how it is used,.....informed you of your rating scheme,.......and or provided you with examples of what constitutes a SUCCESS and and EXCELLENT rating as it would pertain to the specific place you work or the specific job you do on a day to day basisi?

I have a sinking suspicion that I'm not really going to like what I hear,......but I asked the question so,.........answer away!

Also,.......to the NCOs,......what do you know and understand the regulation/guidance to be in regards to the requirement for performance counselings for E-6s and below,.........and where did you get that guidance from? Again,......just a hunch,.....but I'm curious to see the responses.
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I am an Infantry SSG who started as a Forward Observer and getting ready to hit my 12 year mark. I have bought books and software helping to do counselings and yet every BN seems to have their own way that it the right way. I feel they believe this because it is "what they want to believe" and they cannot except that they are wrong. Just my two cents.

1. I am on a deployment now with the WORST BN and Company Commander I have ever had. For your first question though, as a Squad Leader I a required to counsel my soldiers monthly, which does occur.

2. In regards to your second question. I received my initial counseling within 30 days. As for the NCOER checklist that is a negative. Which creates a problem for me because I have all Specialists in my squad except for a PFC who was busted and moved from another platoon to my squad. I have never been informed of my rating scheme in my entire 11 years in the Guard. As for the bullet examples in regards to SUCCESS and EXCELLENT; yes examples have been given however when pushed up, the CSM tries to influence the NCOER or not accept it, to which, I have expressed great bullheadedness in changing the bullets that are qualitative in form and stated that it is against regulations for higher to influence the bullets. THE GUARD IS POLITICALLY CUTTHROAT and that is where a lot of micromanagement comes from on that issue.

3. In regards to your final question...I have been failed across the board as a soldier and an NCO. WLC only touched on this stuff and two weeks is not enough. Some sort of classes and a test with an instructor as if you were giving the instructor a counseling as one of your soldiers should be implemented in the school house. Hands on, train as you fight.

On another note, 7 out of the 9 guys I have do not want to learn or be given any advice. I have been failed so much that I try to give my guys the lessons I wish I had been taught but they do not seem to care. I have been advised by my commander that I am a 100% NCO who expects too much from my soldiers and that I need to learn how to deal and accept 40% soldiers. I CAN NOT DO THAT. I am a keeper of the Standard. I will not recommend my Team Leaders for Promotion to SGT when they take no initiative whatsoever which requires me to tell them everything to do on implied tasks. I have counseled them as to what is expected and what to do yet they continue to fail to get their teams up and clean the latrine or barracks on a daily basis. I would fire my one CPL (who is Infantry like most of us) but he is the only CPL and my COC Will not back me in putting a SPC in command of him. So I am stuck with a CPL who has stated he is getting out in six months and he is done with the military. My other team leader is good, needs some teaching and will listen but he gets push back from the guys because he is a cook, not 11B. Geez, what am I to do? Does it sound like I need to soften up in expecting implied tasks to be carried out?
 
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Originally posted by gonzo 59:
what is the proper and legal way to correct missed counselings for Soldiers that we are in charge of?


Start doing them.

How are you going to go back and fix crap that did or didn't happen a while back?

Don't place blame or tell the Soldiers what should or shouldn't have been done- just start doing the right thing.


Be Proud of what you do- and do it Well! ~me
 
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I ALWAYS make sure that I keep up on my counselings for ALL of my Soldiers. In regards to receiving counselings from my superiors, the question can't be answered with just a yes or no answer. When I first arrived at my new Unit, I made sure I sat down with my superiors and asked all the questions that I would have covered in a counseling of one of my Soldiers.
I have an Ultimate NCO.com account and it is an invaluable tool that I use to keep up on ALL of my paperwork.

The regulation and guidance for counseling can be found in FM 7-22.7 The Army Noncommissioned Officer Guide and AR 600-8-19 Enlisted Promotions and Reductions. And where did I learn all of this you ask? Again, my answer is at Ultimate NCO.com ...
 
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As a NCO new to active duty, coming from the reserves, I am finding new challenges every day. My newest challenge is finding the information on the key points of discussion for counselings. This would be for the monthly counselings. I know there are a few bullets that are required a couple are Performance, APFT, Upcoming events. I do not know the rest and what verbage to use for each area. I know this thread is old but found it through a google search and would like some help on this topic. So far I have been diligent on getting my counselings done. Although it has been a rough road. I also have the NCO books from clothing sales; the mentor and the writer. Unfortunately it they do not have the lingo I need or is incomplete. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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One thing I would like to add. If you are a Secialist and counselings are not being done on a regular basis then do them yourself for your team. This will only make you a better soldier and will show your leadership your competency as a leader. Good bad or indifferent take it for what it's worth.
 
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Originally posted by murankar:
One thing I would like to add. If you are a Secialist and counselings are not being done on a regular basis then do them yourself for your team. This will only make you a better soldier and will show your leadership your competency as a leader. Good bad or indifferent take it for what it's worth.


That is probably some of the best advice I have heard after reading this forum topic. However, I'm thinking I might just actually counself myself, put in my own corrective action for myself and then just have my NCO sign off on it since he isn't doing his job and nor was my last previous NCO. Just a thought.


"Problem solved, problem staying solved!"-AFT RANGER
 
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NCO's and aspiring NCO's,

I have been reading this old thread for a while now, and I feel that it should be brought up again. I will go ahead and provide my current situation I am dealing with.

To talk a little bit about myself before I being:
I serve in the U.S. Army as a 68S Preventive Medicine Technician (PMS soldier!) for six years
I have completed Airborne School, WLC, technical certifications, won soldier of the month boards and I am the soldier of the year on my installation. I am the Section Leader of Environmental Health here on my base which falls under a branch of Occupational Health services, I am responsible for all RMW and HW waste removal procedures and guidelines for this facility and I am also the event coordinator for our fundraising committee. I am also one of the PT instructors for both morning and Remedial P.T. (not a PT Stud, but I will run you to the ground).
My biggest issue and my current hurdle at the moment is that it has been literally over six months since I have received any performance counseling’s. I never received counseling when I won soldier of the year. When I was under my prior NCO, He had informed me that if I am not receiving any counseling’s, then it is a good thing and I shouldn't have anything to worry about. Now that our organizational structure has changed, I have been put under a new NCO back in September and it is not 20 November 2012 and I have still received no counseling, not even an initial counseling as far as his expectations (not to mention he got thrown into a field he has no idea about since he is only a medic)!
I have repeatedly asked both my prior and current NCOs to see my counseling packet (to make sure it didn't just "disappear") in order to see what was my last statement in the packet (which I asked during the change in command structure). I was told that I will get to see it but I have not even seen it as of to date!
The only counseling that I received was a chew out by this new NCO who does not know my job, got thrown into a field that he is new to. Apparently I had an attitude problem when it came to conducting my inspections on civilians who worked in the food service industry who are privileged to serve on this installation (one of my functions is a Health Inspector, my job is to find anything that could possibly make someone sick, identify it, and make a recommendation while docking it off on the paperwork for them and letting them know how to improve.) That is something I have been managing after coming from a combat unit to a non-combat unit.
My main question this morning, as I am on staff duty unable to sleep is the following:

1. Given the situation, would you recommend that I take this immediately up the chain of command or wait until the end of this month to see if I receive counseling?
2. I feel that I have more than proven myself and to others that I can be a leader and I am ready to take the next step in becoming an NCO. Should my attitude be the only thing my NCO holds against me for not being recommended for promotion?
3. Would you recommend I just start counseling myself and my section member to display that I am trying to one step above and beyond?
4. There are some NCO's here whom I consider to be "good o'l boys". Since there is only one E-7 and the rest are E-5's, do you believe that the junior NCOs are preventing soldier from excelling in their career?
If someone could answer these questions I would most certainly appreciate it. I look forward to your response. Thank you for your time!


"Problem solved, problem staying solved!"-AFT RANGER
 
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Everyone might find this hard to believe but while stationed at Ft.wainwright AK I got counseled times only
 
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Lol I'm a spc with almost 24 months in. And no they haven't been helpful. I've pretty much raised myself in the Army with the help of a few specialists before me and 1 SGT from a totally different platoon
 
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