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Hey there,

I'm sure most of you don't want to hear this, but as a specialist that's been in the army for several years, I do not want to be an NCO. My sergeant has been pushing me since I got to my unit and non-stop sends me documents and other related material to study and is also trying to get the 1SG to send me to WLC. I've told him several times that I am not interested in being an NCO and he has heard none of it.

I've always held the thought that the army's ideals of "there are leaders and future leaders" was pretty much nonsense. If that was the case they should get rid of specalists and make E-4 corporal only OR revert back to the old system of the SPEC4-SPEC9 ranks. Not everyone should be a leader. But that is besides the point. I am not interested in being an NCO and I'm not sure what to do. I do not want to disrespect my NCO by not doing what he tells me to do. Studying for the board and such is a lawful order and of course I must follow it as such. But is there anything I can do?

Any advice is appreciated.
 
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You can RCP.

Have you explained to your first line that you're not interested, and told him why? This should be discussed in your professional development counseling. I usually include why a Soldier is or isn't being recommended for promotion in monthly counselings; if he is doing that I would take that opportunity to discuss it. Also, on the counseling form, there is a place to write your response to the counseling. I would do that and keep your copy in case there is trouble down the line. If you don't want to be promoted, the NCO's in your platoon could be spending their time mentoring and preparing Soldiers who do.

I went through a phase where I did not want to be a leader as well; I was a CPL for a few years and went back to SPC and really just stopped caring about getting promoted in my old MOS. Lo and behold points dropped and bam, after 4 years of being promotable I picked up, and I am very glad. You might change your mind but then again, the way the Army has changed, I honestly don't want to go much further myself. My next step is platoon sergeant, which in my opinion has turned into a bunch of nose and @ss wiping and I'm not interested; I have a kid I already do that for. Best of luck.
 
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You can RCP.

Have you explained to your first line that you're not interested, and told him why? This should be discussed in your professional development counseling. I usually include why a Soldier is or isn't being recommended for promotion in monthly counselings; if he is doing that I would take that opportunity to discuss it. Also, on the counseling form, there is a place to write your response to the counseling. I would do that and keep your copy in case there is trouble down the line. If you don't want to be promoted, the NCO's in your platoon could be spending their time mentoring and preparing Soldiers who do.

I went through a phase where I did not want to be a leader as well; I was a CPL for a few years and went back to SPC and really just stopped caring about getting promoted in my old MOS. Lo and behold points dropped and bam, after 4 years of being promotable I picked up, and I am very glad. You might change your mind but then again, the way the Army has changed, I honestly don't want to go much further myself. My next step is platoon sergeant, which in my opinion has turned into a bunch of nose and @ss wiping and I'm not interested; I have a kid I already do that for. Best of luck.


Thank you for your advice! I have mentioned it to him multiple times, but he sort of pretends I never said it.

Unfortunately I am not in a typical platoon. The person in question is a SSG and I am the only person under him in a very small section within a strategic command. It is basically just him and I, which I think is why there is such focus on me.

Perhaps I will change my mind, but for now I am not interested and would like to focus on college and other things important in my life like my family. I am happy with the amount of money I make and I do not feel I need or desire the extra responsibility of an NCO.

I still struggle to understand why one NCO would want someone else to be an NCO if that person was unmotivated to do so.
 
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Originally posted by ArmyWife~N~Soldier:
You can RCP.

Have you explained to your first line that you're not interested, and told him why? This should be discussed in your professional development counseling. I usually include why a Soldier is or isn't being recommended for promotion in monthly counselings; if he is doing that I would take that opportunity to discuss it. Also, on the counseling form, there is a place to write your response to the counseling. I would do that and keep your copy in case there is trouble down the line. If you don't want to be promoted, the NCO's in your platoon could be spending their time mentoring and preparing Soldiers who do.

I went through a phase where I did not want to be a leader as well; I was a CPL for a few years and went back to SPC and really just stopped caring about getting promoted in my old MOS. Lo and behold points dropped and bam, after 4 years of being promotable I picked up, and I am very glad. You might change your mind but then again, the way the Army has changed, I honestly don't want to go much further myself. My next step is platoon sergeant, which in my opinion has turned into a bunch of nose and @ss wiping and I'm not interested; I have a kid I already do that for. Best of luck.


Thank you for your advice! I have mentioned it to him multiple times, but he sort of pretends I never said it.

Unfortunately I am not in a typical platoon. The person in question is a SSG and I am the only person under him in a very small section within a strategic command. It is basically just him and I, which I think is why there is such focus on me.

Perhaps I will change my mind, but for now I am not interested and would like to focus on college and other things important in my life like my family. I am happy with the amount of money I make and I do not feel I need or desire the extra responsibility of an NCO.

I still struggle to understand why one NCO would want someone else to be an NCO if that person was unmotivated to do so.


Most likely, he sees leadership potential in you. If you've said your piece and he's not threatening punishment or making it difficult for you two to work together, I would just let it blow over. Maybe when/if you're in a larger section you'll see the necessity to use your experience and naturally assume a leadership role to help out and teach new Soldiers. After I went back to SPC, I still had the younger, newer Soldiers in our platoon coming to me with issues they had with the leadership/personal issues, etc. Sadly, it took our new privates coming to me and telling me they felt unsafe leaving the wire with our leadership to push me to act. I knew what needed to be done as far as our leadership and took charge for them despite myself. Maybe in a larger platoon, with junior Soldiers under you looking up to you, you will find yourself doing the same.
 
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Perhaps.

I think one of the biggest things as well is that I have not deployed. I know this is not a dealbreaker for a lot of soldiers, but I don't feel comfortable taking a leadership role without at least one deployment under my belt.

I've volunteered for a multitude of deployments with no success. Oh well.

My big fear is that I'll hit my four year mark and become instantly promoted since I'm in a star MOS.
 
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I made SGT in 2000. How many deployment opportunities do you think there were back then?


This is a ten level task
 
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True, but two different times, right? Smiler
 
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you do know that by stateing you do not want to be a NCO shows limited potitial. You can be barred from reinlistment.
 
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That isn't an issue for me. I have already reenlisted and planned to finish out on my current ETS.

I actually did briefly mention this to my retention NCO and he didn't see a problem. I asked him if he would bar me from reenlistment and he basically said he agreed with me on not everyone being leaders so in a word "no" until big army officially says I've been a specialist too long.
 
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then hit RCP and get something when you get out insted of nothing
 
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Make him happy and go to the board, then never add a single point and you will never be an NCO.....
 
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Up or out. There have been many senior NCOs that had the same feelings when they were Joes but someone saw potential in them and pushed them. You have jacked up Soldiers that go to the board and become NCOs.

Your DD214 will shine if you ETS as an NCO.
 
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Getting promoted to E-5 and above is not only a very personal choice...
but also a very FORMAL one at that and IS NOT ONE to take lightly.

IMO, to me it was almost as serious as when I first decided join in the first place.
There are a few things you need to know about deciding to making that step
that most people in positions of leadership will not tell you.

First of all...
No NCO or other leader should EVER try to force, coerse or otherwise try to pressure
a soldier into gettting promoted to E-5 (or any rank for that matter)...
especially if the soldier in question has their reservations any more
than they should try to talk you out of it if your heart is set on leading troops.

In other words... why put someone in a leadership position who doesnt want to be there.
Only bad things are bound to happen sooner or later and all that over-zealous NCO
is doing is producing a what will likely become a disgruntled & DEMORALIZED soldier.
That (to me) is like trying to force someone to enlist/ reenlist
when they are having second thoughts or have not intention of doing so.

Sure, there is that tired mentality of "up or out"...
but there is no law set in stone that states you MUST
get promoted or make E-5 or any other rank.

Furthermore, all this hyped-up talk about your DD214
looking much better that you got out as an E-5 or above is stupid!!

For the most part...
nobody really cares what you did when you were
or what you did when your were in the Army/ military
(You'll learn this for yourself once you eventually do get out).

Think about it...
MOST people in the work force dont join
or serve in the military and have great jobs...
and they didnt have (or need) a DD214 to get that job.

Why do you think that is??

Yes, your DD214 MIGHT look better with more rank,
awards, schools, experience ect, ect (as would any resume)
but the ONLY thing that REALLY MATTERS as far as your DD214 / discharge
is concerned is the CHARACTER of you discharge...
ie, make sure you get an HONORABLE DISCHARGE and nothing less.

Anything else other/ included with an honorable discharge
is just icing on the cake.

Let me illustrate it for you this way:
A PFC or SPC-4 with 3-4 years time in service
with no schools, awards, deployments
holding and honorable discharge...

OR...

an E-6 promotable who had ranger, airborne, air assault,
multiple deployments and good conduct awards...
buts gets chaptered out with a general discharge
for a dui or for hitting his wife/ children.

Now who/ which do you think is going to look better??

Of course, most high-speed/ squared away E-6's and other NCO's dont do nonsense like that...
but situations like the one I just described DO happen and if you stay in long enough
you will eventually encounter such scenerios in your career.
Hey... it happens.

What your pushy, over-overzealous NCO is probably not telling you is that
once you make E-5 is that your almost like a "private" again in the NCO Corp...
that is... you'll be doing all the sh*t detail, "baby-sitting" jobs that none of
the other more senior NCO's want to do.

(they dont call E-4/ SPC the "sham shield" for nothing).

Also (and probably one of the most important) is that when you make E-5 (and especially E-6)
you better make damn sure that you enjoy the MOS that you are currently in
because once you make NCO rank it will be much harder to reclassify out of that MOS.

Why??...
because the way the Army/ military/ government looks at it
is why should they spend money reclassifying/ retraining you
in a brand new job field / MOS when you are already experienced
and holding leadership rank in your current MOS.

Yeah, I know...
people in the Army like to make all this big talk about how "hoooah" they are...
but the bottome line is that (like most things in the professional sector)
the army is a business and like anything else and you have to learn the best way
to navigate it and/or tailor it as best you can to you own personal goals.

My personal advise to you is since you have such and over-bearing NCO
who's obviously not listening to you (or just hearing what they want to hear)
is to put your reasons as to why you dont want to be an NCO in black & white
so that way you'll alreay have a formal rebuttal statement ready
when he writes up some bullsh*t DA4856 councelling statment on you
when you level with him / give a piece of your mind.
 
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My personal advise to you is since you have such and over-bearing NCO
who's obviously not listening to you (or just hearing what they want to hear)
is to put your reasons as to why you dont want to be an NCO in black & white
so that way you'll alreay have a formal rebuttal statement ready
when he writes up some bullsh*t DA4856 councelling statment on you
when you level with him / give a piece of your mind.


I agree with that, although I disagree with a lot of what you wrote.

(you would be SHOCKED the amount of people out there that have some military experience and/or acquaintance...)


Be Proud of what you do- and do it Well! ~me
 
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You are a perfect example why I would send you to the board and make sure you get promoted.


All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership.

 
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