I have a soldier whose been a smartass and recently he threatened me. I didn't get a chance to talk to him after he just took off. So, I went to his on post house to ask him what the deal was. Am I out of bounds on doing this or should I have handled it a different way?
you are "checking on a soldier" right? yes u can do that...andddddd if you were threatened you should have lit his azz up right there, and recommended UCMJ ASAP
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Posts: 430 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 18 May 2007
Far as I'm aware, you have to give notice to married soldiers if you want to inspect their homes. With something like this though, you're not inspecting you are looking after his well being (and his families) if he threatens you who else is in danger. Go ordnance is right, lit him up with some article 15 action.
Well he took it as me threatening him and he told his wife to call the MP's but they didnt get called...but the big ole e-7 got involved and im the one whos gettin the chewing saying im wrong for going over there
Just curious no details...but where are you at? we had something similar happen where I'm at. But I still think you were in the right on this one, for all you know he was heading home to threaten his wife, get his gun, heck let him get away with this once and he'll think its always okay to threaten/disrepect an NCO.
Yeah thats what I said.....but I look like the bad guy for going to his house and starting this shit all I really tried to do was talk to the kid and figure what his deal was with me...but now im the one getting punished by an e-7 bc some cherry cried....oh well guess thats the new army for ya
If he was at parade rest and talking to an NCO like he should have been, or if he would have done what he was told in the first place, there should have been no need to feel like that.
Nip it in the butt now before other soldiers see this and want to "test the waters" with you also. Make an example of this soldier if need be. Do not embarass this soldier in front of everyone, but i'm sure you can find a nice area for some of the free p.t. the army has to offer. If he feels "threatened" to be alone with you for this, tell him to get a battle buddy and they can get it too. I personally would reccommend max UCMJ actions for disrespecting an NCO.
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Posts: 430 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 18 May 2007
Also...the only notice you need to give to a married soldier living on post is a knock at the door, then ask the soldier to tell his/her spouse and kids to get themselves dressed accordingly. Which should only take about 5 minutes. When they are presentable then you can go in and do a health and welfare check.
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Posts: 430 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 18 May 2007
Following him to his house is *almost* asking him to escalate the situation, IMO. If he threatened you, why did you feel the need to confront him at his residence about what his malfunction is with you? If he had gone off on you and assaulted you, your motives for following him home after a confrontation at work would be called into question, and he could easily say that he was protecting himself on his property (yeah yeah, I know the whole "it's the army's house, not yours" thing, but still...) Just my two cents.
He never said he followed him home...he said he went there to ask him what was the deal. However... You should have told him to stand fast so you can talk to him after work/formation or whatever.
MI-Sgt... you honestly think that a soldier is going to disrespect an NCO and get away with it by going home? Yeah it would be wrong to follow him home IF he was mad/angry/agitated or whatever else you want to call it, but he never did say that he was any of those things.
I'll be damned if I let a soldier disrespect me and then just let him go. If they do run off you can bet your paycheck that I will go after them to see WTF.
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Posts: 430 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 18 May 2007
Obviously some NCO's are too scared to get in a soldier's azz now a days. If thats the case, bring that soldier into the PSG's or the 1SG's office and have them handle the problem and to show them you can't.
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Posts: 430 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 18 May 2007
Running away from the problem does not make it go away. He still has to show up for work the next day, I assume, so the proper channels should have been notified of the issue instead of possibly causing more trouble by showing up at the soldier's home. And Go Ordnance, he did say that the soldier threatened him and then took off to his house. I don't know about the rest of you super-hooah types, but when someone threatens me, going to their house to see what their beef is not something that goes through my mind. Heck, maybe it's a guy thing?
He said he didnt't get a chance to talk to him...which implies that the NCO was busy at the time and went to his house afterwards. Either way, I believe that the situation should have been handled right away.
Next thing you know he goes home, tells his spouse, then she wants to get all butt hurt and cause even more problems.
"If you do not stand by me at my worst, you WILL NOT stand by me at my best."
Posts: 430 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 18 May 2007
ok, to set it straight...you cannot go to a married soldiers house without notification if you are going to do an inspection.... however in this case, all he had to do was have the soldier come outside and talk to him, not yell, not curse, simply talk...but even before that the nco should have called someone to let them know he was going over there and what all had happened : his plt sgt, another squad leader, something to simply cover his a** and then he wouldnt be in the position he is in now...
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Posts: 80 | Location: the wonderful taji, iraq | Registered: 18 July 2008
The whole inspection thing is off the subject here. You do not conduct inspections of the soldier's home. That is upto the Building Coordinator, Area Coordinator, and Housing office.
Now it sounds like you are pretty upset about this, so I don't think we are getting all of the facts. However, you can go to a soldier's home to talk, yell, smoke or anything else you like. Nothing stopping you there so long as you don't enter the soldier's house.
If the soldier is disrespectful to you, counsel him and if you feel it is neccessary recommend Article 15. A summarized won't take long or much effort. It sounds like you have a problem child on your hands.