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Good day to everyone.
Last year I was passed over for promotion to CPT and will be up for my second look this year.
What process/timeline usually comes if I am passed over a second time?
Also, I am coming up on my 12th year TIS in July and would like to know what my options are for early retirement? If I am passed over for promotion a second time, would I be allowed to enter a reserve component?
 
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Correct me if im wrong but doesn't CPT comes automatic around the 4 year mark?...Im assuming you messed up somewhere along the way that's why you are being passed up....I've seen 1LT's who did some jacked up things in the past, but still managed to make CPT on time. Stop doing dumb shit and maybe you won't be in that situation.
 
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I will try to maintain my bearing in response to any trolls roaming this forum and this reply will be directed to those who would need additional information for a proper answer, if any.

I have had no administrative actions taken against me nor have I done any “dumb shit.” You are correct in that before 2012 it was mostly automatic for officer to pin CPT within 4 years unless you fell under the aforementioned categories. However, with the Army restructuring and downsizing changes to policy occur. As I have now found, my professional file did not adequately support a promotion to CPT. I have since rectified the problem in hopes that I receive an above the zone promotion.
 
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Not sure about your situation, but we just had a W3 with 12 years who was passed over twice for W4 and he was given his walking paper and a seperation check. I'm almost certain he could have went into the reserves, but chose not to. I would get with your BN S1 OIC and they should have all the options that will be presented to you.
 
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No official references from me, just what I have seen:

They aren't going to separate you outright, but place you in the IRR. Officers in the IRR who were twice passed over are generally ineligible for transfer to Selected Reserve.

The solution is to seek promotion from inside the IRR (not easy, but also not impossible).

I have also never heard of a 1LT twice passed over; see it plenty with Majors though.


This is a ten level task
 
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LT, daddy Warcrimes is correct if you fail to get picked up on your second look then you have 7 months and 1 day from the release of the selection list before your officially out the Army. The TERA is for those who get passed over twice for promotion and have between 15-20yrs in service and even to be considered for that you have to submit a packet to a review board where they would determine if you should be able to retire with less that 20yrs but more than 15. I have a couple of warrant buddies who's in the situation and are now trying to retire with 17yrs

I hope that helps
 
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Sir/Ma'am,
If your files are not competitive against your peers, then the Army will not be the place for you.

It's hard for us to realize our shortcomings, and if you sit down with someone and REALLY ask them about your OERs they can point out whether you're getting the shaft or whether you are an "average" or sub-average guy/gal.

I've seen plenty of Officers who did "so-so" at their job but just aren't the stellar leaders that all Officers "should be". It's hard for most raters to point out average-ness without there being obvious defects.

-have you been bounced from assignment to assignment? Even in the same unit/post??
(this is usually indicative that the leadership would rather try someone new than try to mold you)

-are you given hard tasks/ assignments and fulfill them completely?
(or do you get "made up" assignments or duty positions? This is where the "okay" Lieutenants end up.)

Sorry to hear about your promotion woes. It's time for some SERIOUS self-reflection and to start making plan B and plan C in case the Army doesn't work out for you.
(nothing wrong with that, Army ain't for everyone. Plenty of EXCELLENT careers in the civilian sector)

Just my opinion, seek help from trusted Capable Officers.
(this forum is mostly junior enlisted aiming to be NCO or NCOs helping those junior enlisted.)

Good luck to you!
CW2, 255N, BASD April2000


Be Proud of what you do- and do it Well! ~me
 
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I am currently back to a platoon leader position after four very long months on battalion staff (assistant S3 OIC). Before that I was deployed for 12 months. Maybe I am in denial, but I do not believe I am average performer. I do what is asked of me within my duties and responsibilities.

To all, thank you for your insight and I appreciate your time.
 
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Originally posted by Snack'ums:
LT, daddy Warcrimes is correct if you fail to get picked up on your second look then you have 7 months and 1 day from the release of the selection list before your officially out the Army. The TERA is for those who get passed over twice for promotion and have between 15-20yrs in service and even to be considered for that you have to submit a packet to a review board where they would determine if you should be able to retire with less that 20yrs but more than 15. I have a couple of warrant buddies who's in the situation and are now trying to retire with 17yrs

I hope that helps


We have a LT in our unit that got passed over twice and is leaving the service (you still get boarded for LT to CPT). I thought the IRR requirement was if you did not have the 8 year of obligated service completed but I am not a recruiter or career counselor. Snackums is correct about TERA in regards to individuals that were passed over with 15 years of AFS already served.

I do not know if this is accurate but I thought that I read, you can possibly resign your commission and re-enter the reserve component as an enlisted. Your reserve retirement will take into account for your highest earnings into its computation. If you are separated, a separation specialist will provide you the latest information on your options.

About the OERs, it is clear as day, if you are among the best, fully qualified or marginal. Your senior rater comments are essential to the board (e.g. top 1% of officer rated).

The passed LT that I know was fired from his staff position so I can only think that the OER was not up to snuff.
 
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Originally posted by TheWiseChief:
I thought the IRR requirement was if you did not have the 8 year of obligated service completed ...

Could have something to do with why I only see Majors in this circumstance. What are the circumstances where an officer obtains an indefinite status?

I admit I don't know a whole lot about officer careers, but it doesn't seem reasonable to me to revoke a commission over this (TPU enlisted troops affected by QSP are still going to the IRR).


This is a ten level task
 
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Originally posted by TheWiseChief:

The passed LT that I know was fired from his staff position so I can only think that the OER was not up to snuff.


Not to hijack my own thread but, I was not fired from my staff job. My battalion CDR asked me if I wanted a PL position with another battalion as it would play to my better strengths, and I took it. As a self-aware, overly paranoid individual I sometimes suspect that it was a way to get me out of the battalion. However, I interviewed for the position and was offered the job. In addition, this same CDR rated me at top 20% out of the 24 LTs with a “best qualified” on my last OER. I do not suppose that will change for my CTR OER for the upcoming board. But you never know…
I am trying to plan ahead for a worst case scenario.
 
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Passed over for Captain... you are not who you thought you were.

It's a tough pill to swallow but the truth, and for the OER, have you always been top 20% or now as one of the more Sr. LTs you are in the top 20% because you have simply been around longer?

And if you already have PL time, going back to a Platoon really isn't benefiting you. Have you been an XO yet?
 
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Passed over for Captain... you are not who you thought you were.

It's a tough pill to swallow but the truth, and for the OER, have you always been top 20% or now as one of the more Sr. LTs you are in the top 20% because you have simply been around longer?

And if you already have PL time, going back to a Platoon really isn't benefiting you. Have you been an XO yet?


Maybe and…possibly. We all have some misconception of one’s self. This is why we rely on others for input. I digress; to dissect my comparison in performance to other LTs would be to ask my senior rater to divulge more information on their assessment. As I understand this should not be a problem, I was satisfied to be placed in the top five of the sample. When asked about the PL position, I thought that it would be considered a step back in career progression. But as it was explained to me by a LTC (P) with over 20 years experience in these matters, it all depends on the performance and shows depth, character and flexibility to apply your efforts to the needs of the Army. Whether that is a bunch of BS…who knows? This is why I am here.
…and yes, I have held an XO (mobility officer) position with an MCT deployed.
 
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Yes, it does sound like BS. I would have respectfully asked him to speak directly on my case. Why am I going back to being a PL when I have already served X amount of months there and an XO deployed.
 
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In my experience, you have to try to not get selected, though there are people that do it.

Something in your story is missing.
 
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