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I had a Soldier go to WLC and while attending the course he made cutoff,a couple of days later he failed WLC for Accademic reasons...is this a career ender for him?
 
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From AR 600-8-19 Para 1-27

Soldiers who fail to successfully complete, fail to remain eligible to be scheduled for or attend, who are denied
enrollment in, or who do not attend their scheduled Noncommissioned Officer Education System (NCOES) class
(through fault of the Soldier) will be administratively reduced or removed from the promotion list. The effective date
of administrative reduction is the date of the action that caused the Soldier to be ineligible to retain the promotion. The
DOR will be the previous DOR held at the reduced grade.




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I don't think it's a career ender, but he's gonna feel the pain for a little bit.
 
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My interpretation is that if he was an E-5P then he would lose the P status because you must be a graduate of WLC to pin SSG.

However, if I was his 1SG and CDR, I would not allow him to pin on SGT when he can't pass the easiest of the NCOES schools. How can he train, lead, and mentor Soldiers when he can't even pass WLC?




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I read the reg a little bit more, and from what I read is that there will be a code next to his name that states he failed an NCOES school and his name will be removed from the by name list and will not get promoted. I may be wrong, but that is what I understand it to be.

Look in para 3-9 of AR 600-8-19 and take a look for yourself and you may understand it differently than I do.




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Thanks for the reply Go Ordance the Soldier in question was pinned Friday 2/1/13, the same day I picked him up from WLC.
 
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However, if I was his 1SG and CDR, I would not allow him to pin on SGT when he can't pass the easiest of the NCOES schools. How can he train, lead, and mentor Soldiers when he can't even pass WLC?



I quite agree with that statement... what kind of example is it to other soldiers when you tell them they need to go to WLC, yet they see a WLC failure still pick up E-5 (clearly not worthy of NCO or SGT)
 
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Wait how did he fail WLC? I mean seriously how? Or did he fail bodyfat and only receive a marginal 1059? Which is if I understand it correctly, which I may not different than an outright failure.
 
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He said Academic reasons so I am assuming he failed an open book test.
 
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He failed an open book, open note test twice and they kicked him out of wlc. Long weekend so tomorrow we both have to go in talk with the 1SG and CSM, I guess we will findout then what is going to happen with him.
 
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They should have never promoted him knowing he failed WLC and there would be some issues with pinning SGT. Now if they do take it away, it would be quite embarrassing. If they take his rank, your command should move him to a different unit.




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