Can a soldier reenlist after a chapter 5-13 (personality disorder? If so whats wthe wait period for doing so? Was active duty for 30 months, interested in NG or Reserves. Discharge was honorable. Thanks!!!

What are your separation and reentry codes?

I was kind of curious on the same thing for a 14-12C, General under Honorable. Michigan National Guard.

We need to know your RE Codes which are located on your DD 214.

I haven't even gotten out yet, they are just threatening me and I think they will do it. All I know is they are pushing a 14-12C.

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Originally posted by Jmet1223:
I was kind of curious on the same thing for a 14-12C, General under Honorable. Michigan National Guard.

If I have to ask questions to get more information out of your question, it makes for a very difficult situation.

Are you in the Michigan National Guard?

What is a 14-12c?

I'm gonna take a guess here about the 14-12c and say it's a chapter ...

AR 635-200, Active Duty Enlisted Administrative Separations, Chapter 14, Section III, Acts or Patterns of Misconduct, paragraph 14-12c:

c. Commission of a serious offense. Commission of a serious military or civil offense, if the specific circumstances of the offense warrant separation and a punitive discharge is, or would be, authorized for the same or a closely related offense under the MCM.
(1) An absentee returned to military control from a status of absent without leave or desertion may be separated for commission of a serious offense. (See para 1–43 for civil offenses under investigation by foreign authorities.)
(2) Abuse of illegal drugs is serious misconduct.
(a) However, relevant facts may mitigate the nature of the offense. Therefore, a single drug abuse offense may be combined with one or more minor disciplinary infractions or incidents of other misconduct and processed for separation under a or b, above, as appropriate.
(b) All soldiers against whom charges will not be referred to a court-martial authorized to impose a punitive discharge or against whom separation action will not be initiated under the provisions of chapter 9 or section II of this chapter will be processed for separation under a, b, or c, above, as applicable.
1. “Processed for separation” means that separation action will be initiated and processed through the chain of command to the separation authority for appropriate action.
2. The immediate and intermediate commanders will recommend separation or retention. Recommendations will be made as to characterization of service. (See para 2–2 or 2–4.)
3. The separation reason in all separations authorized by this paragraph will be “misconduct-abuse of illegal drugs.” Voluntary (self) identification/referral in accordance with AR 600–85, paragraph 3–2, does not require initiation of separation proceedings under this section.

I should have said the chapter (5-13) is in progress. I dont have any codes to provide yet.

So you're not out yet and you're asking about coming back in?

I'm sorry, Yes that is correct. 14-12C is the chapter they are trying to put me out on. I am active duty and would be looking to go into the Michigan National Guard after I get discharged. Since its an involuntary discharge, and I really like the Army...Yes. I would say that are making a HUGE stretch trying to push THIS chapter on me, but my CO hasn't taken too much of a liking to me since when he first got here into my company (2 years ago) I got into a fight which resulted in a Bar to Reenlistment, but no Arti 15. That is my only past besides the current article 15 I had received. I would say its a stretch but at least it'll be a General UHC discharge.

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Originally posted by Jmet1223:
I haven't even gotten out yet, they are just threatening me and I think they will do it. All I know is they are pushing a 14-12C.

You must have done something really bad to get that one.

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Originally posted by Jmet1223:
I'm sorry, Yes that is correct. 14-12C is the chapter they are trying to put me out on. I am active duty and would be looking to go into the Michigan National Guard after I get discharged. Since its an involuntary discharge, and I really like the Army...Yes. I would say that are making a HUGE stretch trying to push THIS chapter on me, but my CO hasn't taken too much of a liking to me since when he first got here into my company (2 years ago) I got into a fight which resulted in a Bar to Reenlistment, but no Arti 15. That is my only past besides the current article 15 I had received. I would say its a stretch but at least it'll be a General UHC discharge.

How do you know its gonig to be General under Honorable? So its his fault, he doesnt like you, what else? Stop putting blame on someon else, you got into a fight, got a bar to reenlist (which means you cant reenlist after you get out, am I correct Career Counselors?) and you have an ART 15 right now...but you are getting kicked out b/c the CO doesnt like you? mmmm

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How do you know its gonig to be General under Honorable? So its his fault, he doesnt like you, what else? Stop putting blame on someon else, you got into a fight, got a bar to reenlist (which means you cant reenlist after you get out, am I correct Career Counselors?) and you have an ART 15 right now...but you are getting kicked out b/c the CO doesnt like you? mmmm

I'm not saying its COMPLETELY his fault, so stop trying to get me to assume responsibilities for something that doesn't exist. I know its going to be a General under honorable because they told me. Thats how I also know which chapter he is pushing. Its not his fault, I knew the punishment for the offense I was doing and I did it anyway. Does that make me a bad soldier? No. I am a good soldier, I do what i'm told, I'm places when I need to be, and I help other soldiers and NCOs to the best of my ability. I am just an E4, but i've been in a couple years and am on my second enlistment. I'm not saying its just his fault im getting chaptered. Thats not the case, you are hearing what you want to hear. Its my fault the offense is on the table, but for someone who has model behavior and knowledge (I've been studying ArmyStudyGuide since before I came in the Army, about 3.3 years ago.) there isn't a chapter pushed except in my circumstance. This is because the Rear D CO I have now was my PL when this fight happened...over 2 years ago (which did not lead to an Article 15). If you knew how a bar to reenlistment works, you have 6 months to "straighten up your act" before you get chaptered. You get a review at 3 months, and another at 6. If the bar is not lifted at 6 months, your seperation starts getting processed. My bar was lifted 3 months after being initiated, while I was an E3 team leader in an Infantry company while I was still barred, and following the removal of the bar until mid-way through my deployment when I was medivaced. So please, I'm here for answers and not criticism. I do my best to look to others for knowledge and I do not come here to be criticized, so next time if you dont have anything nice to say...

Well you get it.

Thanks.

As a paralegal specialist, the whole scenario seems strange, AND I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU OF LYING, BUT something is missing.

I say this b/c 14-12C's are usually given for drug use. Also, you mention an Art. 15 that wasn't given, but was given later after two years (if I read correctly). Well, there is a 2 year statute of limitations, therefore if the assault happened more than 2 years ago, then your command will not be able to give you an Art. 15 for the assault. ( but I may be misunderstanding your timeline). Or was the more recent Art. 15 for something else besides fighting?

The only thing I can think of is that your command really wants you out for whatever reasons and only has the assault to stick. Then again the time period does not make sense.

I'm sorry but you are misunderstood.

The fight, that was 2 years and some change ago only resulted in the bar to reenlistment which was lifted. This is a new thing that I got into trouble for this time. I was going to try to keep it out of the forums, but it was steroids. Which as we all know, is an illegal drug. So yes, in a sense it falls under 14-12C. Although, its a completely different drug and is performance enhancing (the way I see it), it is still a drug. It happens, I made a bad choice and it lead me to the path i'm on now. Honestly, I just don't want to be out of the Army. I have seen people do alot worse, alot more times and get Arti 15s each time and thats it. My first Arti 15 on a model counseling packet except that fight 2 years ago and i'm looking at a chapter. It seems extreme to me, which I was saying earlier that my commander is pushing it as hard as he can for some reason. Yes, its my fault im looking at this but he just REALLY wants to see me get chaptered out. I'm not even sure why he is in charge of me honestly, he is a pogue leading an Infantry company Rear D. (Although he was 11A at one time) I wasn't lying, I just wanted to leave the charge out. Well....now you know.

NOW, we have some clarity. And I understand where you are coming from. In my 10 years there has never been consistency in the punishments given for drug use. BUT IT IS MANDATORY THAT YOUR COMMANDER INITIATE the chapter process. It does not mean that it will get approved. He must initiate.