IN MY SHORT CAREER I HAVE BEEN IN SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM COMBAT ARMS BRAGGIN ABOUT HOW HARDCORE THEY ARE AND HOW WE AG SOLDIERS ARE JUST PAPER PUSHERS. DO NOT LET COMMENTS LIKE THOSE DISCOURAGE YOU. AS AN AG SOLDIER I HAVE BEEN WHERE SOME OF THOSE SO-CALLED COMBAT ARMS SOLDIERS HAVE BEEN. I HAVE TRAINED WITH THEM AND HAVE BEATEN THEM IN THEIR OWN GAME. JUST LIKE THE 4 OUT OF 4 I GOT IN THE PLDC LAND NAVIGATION COURSE IN UNDER 43 MINUTES. IF I RECALL RIGHT A LRSD SOLDIER COULD NOT EVEN COMPETE AND THATS HIS JOB!!! NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE SOLDIERS, WE ARE SOLDIERS TOO. AND IN THIS ARMY WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER, WITHOUT EACH OTHER WE HAVE NO. WITHOUT THE AG WHOS GOING TO PROMOTE THOSE FUTURE LEADERS, WHEN YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, WHO IS GOING TO TYPE THAT AWARD AND SEND IT THROUGH SO THAT IT SHOWS IN YOUR FILE. JUST AS YOU HAVE CASUALTIES OF WAR, SO YOU HAVE SOME ACTIONS THAT WERE NOT COMPLETED CORRECTLY. 1 TEAM , 1 FIGHT AND THATS WHAT ITS ABOUT!
To me, every job in the Army is important. Everyone must work together to make the Army tick. People who think tht combat arms runs the Army are a bunch of pea-brains, who would not get promoted, get awards or get paid if it were not for an AG (or finance) soldier. :lol:
Have fun, SGT_P! It's not that bad, it can actualy be a challanging MOS.
Posts: 121 | Location: Ft. Livingroom | Registered: 23 August 2003
Well I currently do personnel actions, which is basicly a lot of paperwork. I deal with 4187s and other amry forms. I also Inprocess/Out Process soldiers here in our battalion. This job is a lot different than my former job which was Infantry. This job keeps you busy and you really touch people's lifes so you have to double check every piece of paper before you send it out. So SGT_P hope you have fun as a 42A, I know I am. If you have any question just email me @ firstname.lastname@example.org
AG!!!!Give me a break so your a PT stud you still sit behind a desk and push papers. I always see combat arm soldier working in your S-1,2,3,shops but you will never see a PAPER PUSHER doing our job. Sure we are all Infantry first!!!! But come on Ive been to the felid with AG soldiers couldnt set up a GP medium, couldnt sketch a range card, couldnt call for fire, dig a fighting position, site a minfeild,or hell even complete proper CTT. Dont get me wrong your good at pushing papers.But we dont need AG to it we could do it easily ourselfs. I mean come on I had a highspeed AG SFC once ask me how to fill a radio.lol...AG out front!!!!!!!
"Lets not forget if you push papers YOU PUSH PAPERS"
Posts: 60 | Location: In the Breach | Registered: 17 March 2004
Don't bust all AG out. I personally know a few 21B's that can not complete CTT. So it does not matter if you push papers, or blow shit up. Besides the fact that this forum is not here to talk down about every other MOS. I am an E-5 21B right now that is reclassing to 42A ("Pencil Pusher" in your words). So I guess since I have to reclass, this means I will not beable to complete CTT next year. OH NO what to do. I understand that you have your opinions but in this case keep it to yourself.
Ever heard the saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"? Live by it, it will get you farther ini life. And no I am not some snot nosed punk that has been in the Army for a couple of years.
Now I do not mean any disrespect towards you, I just get ticked off when every MOS believes they are the backbone of the Army. The Army needs every MOS that we have.
Posts: 67 | Location: Ft. Leonard Wood | Registered: 28 August 2003
By you reclassing I would not look down on you. You have done your time but let me give you a little advice. The way that you correct,talk,train soldiers now as a 21b is a whole new world then when you will be a 42a its all political. How do I know I am currently trapped with 42a soldiers and have been told many times that this is not a combat unit you cant do these things. But you will see. As for will you be a paper pusher....yes but a well trained one.
Posts: 60 | Location: In the Breach | Registered: 17 March 2004
I used to be like you. Bringing down the AG and other support MOS. I have learned the hard way. I use to be an infantry scout in the 82nd, 2nd Bde, 2/325th AIR. I enjoyed being an infantry scout and would have done it all my army life, but one thing for sure kept me from doing so. I shattered my knee during a S.P.I.E.S. exercise. The UH-60 was flying (NAP) Near as Possible and rammed the whole scout team into a tree. I was on the receiving end of the tree. This terminated my tour as infantry and loved the army so much that I opted for the reclass instead of a MED board. Here I am a 42A and found it that it's a different challenge and much more of a shoulder bearing occupation. In the scouts we reported what we recon and sabotage our intended objectives, easier said than done. In this field, we process the paperwork, so you wouldn't have to. It's easier to say that this MOS is easy and that common saying AG's don't work is myth. Paper after paper, pay screwed up and constant questions about trailing allotments and pay deductions. The list goes on and never ends. When the mission is done on the infantry side, the battle still looms in the AG side. We all need each other and never doubt for once that you alone could run the army. Just chill and keep your bias comments to yourself. Oh by the way, AG RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!
Before I comment here's a little background. I use to rig for a LRSD, then went to a mechanized combat engineer battalion as a sapper team leader, then to S1 as the section leader, back to a line unit and now I'm deployed with a PSD.
Who is needed more? Right now its infantry and combat support. That's not an opinion, its a fact. Look at the Army's transformation. They are giving up the combat service support positions (admin, supply) to civilian contractors and reorganizing our fighting forces into brigade sized units of action. There are field artillery units being retrained as provisional MPs.
Now, I know there are AG soldiers, sections, and units out there that lack basic combat skills. The blame falls on the IET system and their unit NCOs. Most (not all) AG soldiers go to Fort Jackson for BCT. As much as the Army likes to think that all BCTs are the same, they're not. I think some BCT posts are very weak. But I also think that the Army's BCT program is weak overall. Not enough field time, not enough small unit tactics, not enough land navigation, not enough combatives and not enough marksmaship. Then there is AIT. Some AITs are short (5 weeks) and some are long (10-25 weeks). Thats a long time to not maintain combat tasks or marskmanship. I spent 1 day in the field during rigger AIT. And believe me it was a joke.
As for NCOs in the unit, as a rigger I had to be able to perform right along side the LRS teams. As a sapper team leader I also worked the office as the admin guy, so I had to train extra hard. Then as a section leader in S1, I had a hard time getting through to my troops that their combat skills were more important then filing papers. But it felt very gratifying when one of those soldiers and I both mobilized with a new unit and she said to me 'now I understand what you were trying to do.' That was probably the best day of my Army life. Now in this PSD, the training at mob station was good (except for fighting the weather). But now that we're in country the train has damn near stopped. Some of these soldiers couldn't even fire their weapon or put their mask on right.
Now I'm hoping that GEN Schoomaker's new philosphy that ever soldier be a warrior helps improve the combat skills of all soldiers. But like every other change that has occured in the Army, its going to take enforcement by NCOs and officers to get the job done. NCOs must understand what GEN Schoomaker and SMA Preston are trying to do, believe in it, and carry it out.
So who is more important? It doesn't matter. Each of us has our role. As long as we can all operate as part of a fire team in the defense or during a convoy and also perform our job, whether that be combat, service, or support, then the Army will continue to function and win wars.
Posts: 153 | Location: Fort Livingroom, IA | Registered: 03 April 2004