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I was a grunt before most infantrymen know what a grunt was. I re-joined the Army as 42A. Both jobs are hard, one on the body the other on the mind. Niether can live without the other. The next time a grunt comes up and says something derogatory, just tell them "Remember, we're the ones who do your promotions, NCOERs, awards etc." Without us, they would be a ribbonless privates stuck in someplace they wouldn't want to be.
 
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Some of us dont have a choice in being a "paper pusher". I would love to be infantry but being color blind takes care of that.
 
Posts: 36 | Location: Korea | Registered: 15 April 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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AG!!!!Give me a break so your a PT stud you still sit behind a desk and push papers. I always see combat arm soldier working in your S-1,2,3,shops but you will never see a PAPER PUSHER doing our job. Sure we are all Infantry first!!!! But come on Ive been to the felid with AG soldiers couldnt set up a GP medium, couldnt sketch a range card, couldnt call for fire, dig a fighting position, site a minfeild,or hell even complete proper CTT. Dont get me wrong your good at pushing papers.But we dont need AG to it we could do it easily ourselfs. I mean come on I had a highspeed AG SFC once ask me how to fill a radio.lol...AG out front!!!!!!!

"Lets not forget if you push papers YOU PUSH PAPERS"


I seriously doubt you could do the jib of an AG or Finance soldier yourself. I was a 42F before I reclassed, and being in the 82nd, I've dealt with very many combat arms soldiers who don't know the first thing about their personnel records or their pay. So let all the infantry, artillery, tankers, etc take over all finance and personnel operations and see how jacked up it becomes. Everyone has their job, we are all needed. While you're at it, why don't you take all the enlisted soldiers out of the hospitals and replace them with CLS from some combat arms unit, get my point?
 
Posts: 86 | Location: Camp Humphreys, Korea | Registered: 29 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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AG!!!!Give me a break so your a PT stud you still sit behind a desk and push papers. I always see combat arm soldier working in your S-1,2,3,shops but you will never see a PAPER PUSHER doing our job. Sure we are all Infantry first!!!! But come on Ive been to the felid with AG soldiers couldnt set up a GP medium, couldnt sketch a range card, couldnt call for fire, dig a fighting position, site a minfeild,or hell even complete proper CTT. Dont get me wrong your good at pushing papers.But we dont need AG to it we could do it easily ourselfs. I mean come on I had a highspeed AG SFC once ask me how to fill a radio.lol...AG out front!!!!!!!

"Lets not forget if you push papers YOU PUSH PAPERS"

I forgot to mention that during my time as a 42F we had a small number of combat arms soldiers that we worked with. Let me tell you they were forced to be there, did not want to be doing our job, and couldn't peform simple tasks assigned to them. AG is much more than "paper pushing". I would like to see how a bunch of combat arms soldiers would deal with the systems that a 42F uses daily, such as eMILPO, EDAS, TOPMIS, PAS-R, etc. Believe me, it's a lot easier to learn how to do patrols, set up tents, sketch a range card, etc. than it is to learn all the Army's rules and regulations, the ins-and-outs of many different information systems that you will have to use as an AG or Finance soldier.
 
Posts: 86 | Location: Camp Humphreys, Korea | Registered: 29 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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Been in an Infantry Battalion S1 shop for the past 5 years (my whole career). I love being down there on the line and being in the 82nd and jumping with these guys and helping them out and going outside the wire with them. Here is one thing I noticed about AG and Infantry. If you are an AG dude in a infantry Battalion, your ass is going to the field to do the same stuff the 11Bs do. You will do live fires, stress shooting, land nav, 12 mile and up to 20 mile road marches, combatives, JFEXs (oh how we love those) and training for all of that stuff. Because when you deploy guess who goes outside the wire quite a bit with the line guys. S1 goes out quite a bit with them. Here is what I noticed though, as long as you are helping your guys out and they are providing you with the information you need to square them away everything is good to go and everyone is getting along fine. I often as an S1 guy am asked to go out on missions with the CSM and BC. I have also been asked to go out with the scouts before. It all depends on what kind of soldier you are. Are you an all-around soldier or a one-functional area soldier?
 
Posts: 15 | Location: Afghanistan | Registered: 06 December 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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With all respect to Combat Arms guys...When you are going to promotion board, getting Purple Heart, ARCOM, CAB, correcting your overcharged leave, helping you fill TDY voucher, add promotion points, update your ERB, get help writing NCOERs or awards, correct your records before you will be considered for E7, or if simply have finance trouble and your wife/husband and kids have no money to buy food, you will come to see AG Soldiers and we will help you! You may spend more time getting your family and personal/carreer problems fixed than doing your job if you got a Superman's attitude. Watch out, this is a dangerous way! AG Soldiers usually work for your SGM and BC. There is more in it than you think...

We are a the Army of professionals and we all want to get paid, get promoted, get schools, assignments, ETS and PCS orders, awards and NCOERs we deserve! If you are a combat arms E6/E7+ you will not be succsessful if you are not either good at AG taska or have a very good AG staff on-board.

Once you reach E6 level you WILL be writing NCOERS and awards for your Soldiers and NCOs, this is not AG job! And you better be proficient with a dosen of ARs or be nice to your admin folks who can help you. Otherwise your First Sergeant and SGM is going to have a LONG talk about your soldiers skills and efficiency. Try to explain your Soldiers who has been in combat, that their awards has been downgraded because you do not know how to write a proper citation that your BC did not like. I am not going deeper into the details...

The higher you climb up the ladder, the more AG work you gonna do. Your First Sergeant and Sergeant Major have a desk FLOODED with awards, NCOERs, Article 15s, chapters, PCS/ETS/CLV/PTDY leaves, deferments, deletions from orders, AWOLs, requisitions, and other paperwork and issues that you do not even know! They are taking care of Soldiers.

The biggest mistake you can ever make is to underestimate your support MOSes! They are going everywhere YOU go. Their only purpose is to take care of you. One team - one fight!
 
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With all respect to Combat Arms guys...When you are going to promotion board, getting Purple Heart, ARCOM, CAB, correcting your overcharged leave, helping you fill TDY voucher, add promotion points, update your ERB, get help writing NCOERs or awards, correct your records before you will be considered for E7, or if simply have finance trouble and your wife/husband and kids have no money to buy food, you will come to see AG Soldiers and we will help you! You may spend more time getting your family and personal/carreer problems fixed than doing your job if you got a Superman's attitude. Watch out, this is a dangerous way! AG Soldiers usually work for your SGM and BC. There is more in it than you think...

We are a the Army of professionals and we all want to get paid, get promoted, get schools, assignments, ETS and PCS orders, awards and NCOERs we deserve! If you are a combat arms E6/E7+ you will not be succsessful if you are not either good at AG taska or have a very good AG staff on-board.

Once you reach E6 level you WILL be writing NCOERS and awards for your Soldiers and NCOs, this is not AG job! And you better be proficient with a dosen of ARs or be nice to your admin folks who can help you. Otherwise your First Sergeant and SGM is going to have a LONG talk about your soldiers skills and efficiency. Try to explain your Soldiers who has been in combat, that their awards has been downgraded because you do not know how to write a proper citation that your BC did not like. I am not going deeper into the details...

The higher you climb up the ladder, the more AG work you gonna do. Your First Sergeant and Sergeant Major have a desk FLOODED with awards, NCOERs, Article 15s, chapters, PCS/ETS/CLV/PTDY leaves, deferments, deletions from orders, AWOLs, requisitions, and other paperwork and issues that you do not even know! They are taking care of Soldiers.

The biggest mistake you can ever make is to underestimate your support MOSes! They are going everywhere YOU go. Their only purpose is to take care of you. One team - one fight!


All I have to say is HOAAAH!!!!!


Lead by Example!!!
 
Posts: 3914 | Location: Somewhere in the US | Registered: 13 September 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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I am a retired Soldier. I spent 4 years in the Infantry and 16 years in Finance. When I renlisted for Finance in 1979 I, and three other young SGT's, went through the culture shock of being assigned to a TDA Finance office that had NEVER been to the field. Some of the SR NCO's and none of the officers had ever been to the field. In August 1979 this office was realigned as a TOE Finance and Accounting Company and given orders to begin field training. That first field exercise was a comedy of errors to sone of Combat arms experience, tents fell, foxhols collapsed, challenge and passwords were compromised...the list goes on. The commander asked the 4 of us to teach the Finance Soldiers what skills were needed for the TOE organization. We did. The main difference in the skill of a Combat Arms Soldier and a "Paper-Pusher" is in the level of training received. All Soldiers are capable of Combat Arms and with the right training will excel in that area. All Soldiers could do the AG job as well if they are willing to put in the time to learn all of the regulations and skill sets needed.

In todays Army the Finance Support Teams that deploy with the Combat Arms units provide their own security, navigate on their own, use the same tactical radio network , and suffer the same field conditions with the added responsibility of ensuring all of your paperwork is properly filed so that you can be paid on time every time.

Who is better? Neither. Who is more capable of killing the enemy? Combat Arms. Who is more capable of ensuring you get paid, promoted, awarded, doctored, dentaled and maintained so you have the oportunity to kill the enemy? Combat Support Units of all types.
 
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Originally posted by SGT U.S. Army (Retired) T.E. Hiett:

In todays Army the Finance Support Teams that deploy with the Combat Arms units provide their own security, navigate on their own, use the same tactical radio network , and suffer the same field conditions with the added responsibility of ensuring all of your paperwork is properly filed so that you can be paid on time every time.


That's true. For the most part FSTs are doing pay missions on their own but if the Combat Arms unit need finance support they must provide security. Unfortunately Finance units are not authorised any heavy weapons and vehicles like infantry. Going on a pay mission is a very risky business. You are carrying bags full of cash and disbursing officer is personally responsible for it. There is no doubt such team can be a attacked while enroute to the point of service and without any MTOE-authorised heavy weapons it can be an easy target. That is why FST is usually escorted by MPs. You not gonna scare guys with RPGs and RPKs with your MTOE-given M249, but 50-cal can do some damage and repell attackers.

Due to mandatory reclassing and increased number of combat injuries, alot of Combat Arms are joining Support MOSes. Both can contribute to each other like you said. I have seen both very talented and dedicated infantry Soldiers working in Finance. I also know Finance Soldiers who's been in combat and completed the mission. It all depends on quality NCOs who train Soldiers properly. Nowdays you will see alot of support Soldiers wearing CAB. There is no big difference between AG and CA Soldiers anymore because of the war
 
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My story:

Joined the Army back in the day as an 11B. Got out of the military. When I re-joined my noobie recruiter said 11B was overstrengthed so I looked at other MOS.

I became a 42A.

Now, I am sitting in 42A BNCOC and I am about to shoot myself in the freakin skull. I absolutely hate life as a 42.

If you like your MOS, then hey by all means enjoy it and be proud of it.

BUT, as an ex 11B I will say that most of the 42 soldiers I've dealt with are trash. Just the ones I've dealt with though mind you.

Whiners, overweight, political, etc..

I hate every day in my MOS.

Plus promotion points are freaking outrageous! I dont see why a douchebag 11 series gets E6 as easy as farting after eating beans and my 42 ass has to damn near get a doctors degree.

It makes no sense.

Oh well, I am saying screw all of it and putting my selection packet in.

Tie for me to do some real stuff for the Army.
 
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With that awesome pseudohardcore attitude I'm sure that you will end up washing out anyways. When you do think back to the BS email you typed up throwing almost everyone around you under the bus and realize Karma is a bitch, hell IF you even go to selection that is.
 
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I've served on both sides of the fence and I have to say by far the biggest difference I've seen between combat arms versus support is the soldier discipline level in combat arms soldiers tends to me much higher.


Steven R. Kreger
 
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I'm not acting like an elitist or throwing anyone under the bus.

There really are ALOT of trash here. And not by my standards but by regular army standards.

Just watch PT formation here...."Profiles fallout!" and over half (literally) of the formation will leave.

I understand reclass profiles and stuff but that is maybe like 2 individuals out of 60.

You fellow 42's really dont see this? A decline in the quality of soldiers in the AG field?

Call me psuedowhatever and say I'm "throwing people under the bus" but whatever.
 
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SGT Airborne,
I'm with you- I've met exactly three 42-series Soldiers who I thought could actually do their jobs in a capable manner.

I have to stop right now though, because the rest that I've met (in 9yrs of service) will get me on a rant that would last a long time..

Feel free to fix it for me. Big Grin


Be Proud of what you do- and do it Well! ~me
 
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However bad it SEEMS, just remember that most 92 series are WORSE, WAAAAAY WORSE. After all, that is where most of the people with waivers that enter the Army go into besides Transportation.
 
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