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So I am thinking of possibly switching my thoughts from aviation to JAG. Mainly because my degree is pre-law and I'd like to get stationed around Washington DC for some personal reasons if possible.

My knowledge on this is non-existent because all my research has been done on aviation. Are there any enlisted personnel in JAG? What are the MOS's for enlisted that want to get into JAG? How possible would it be to get stationed in Washington DC?

I’ll probably have more questions later but that’s all for now. Thanks!
 
Posts: 253 | Location: College Station, TX | Registered: 30 October 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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The one I thought of off the top of my head at 27D.

JAG Recruiting Page

From aviation to law that's quite a departure! Don't give up on flying!! You have to get your wings so you can hook me up :mrgreen:
 
Posts: 776 | Location: Fort Carson | Registered: 02 October 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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Thanks!

Anyone have any extra information on 27 Delta besides whats on goarmy.com and usmilitary.about.com?

Is it possible to get a four year contract with that MOS while getting the Loan Repayment on your contract?
 
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I don't know about 4 years contract.. I enlisted for 3 and just recently re-enlisted for 2. Unfortunately, there are no money thrown at you in this MOS, but the job pays off by itself - it's the best MOS in the Army.

I believe the school now is 10 weeks long, but you learn the real job hands-on.

Ask any questions - I've been 27D for 3 years now.
 
Posts: 112 | Location: Korea | Registered: 20 May 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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One of our Joe's at my unit is a paralegal. How he got stuck in my unit ? I have no idea... but he should be working at Jag. Regardless, when we get back from our deployment he is ETSing and is working as a paralegal for a law firm in downtown Manhattan, making two times as much as he is making now. 8) And yes, he is enlisted. As far as getting stationed in DC as your first duty station, try to get it in your contract: talk to your recruiter or counselor. Tell them you won't sign anything unless you get DC as a station of choice. Good luck.
 
Posts: 40 | Location: Finally in the U.S. | Registered: 12 November 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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I just became a 27D in April after being a 63G for 6 years and I must say that this is one of the most rewarding jobs in the Army. I Love my job so much more than when I was a mechanic, the aspects of the job change from day to day.
 
Posts: 10 | Location: Fort Campbell, KY | Registered: 04 November 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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To all:

27D can be a very rewarding experience. I'm stationed at Ft. McPherson at the United States Army Reserve Command Headquarters (USARC). We work with the Army Reserve and the legal issues that come with all that.

I reclassified from 54B and the schooling was tough. VERY detail orientated. So if you are up for the challange....
 
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Thank God I found this site!
I have been trying to get in touch with some 27D's! I just signed up 27D as prior service. I was a 19D Cavalry Scout my first 4 years.
I have a few questions if someone would not mind answering.

1. I understand 27D's are assigned to every battalion S-1, correct me if I am wrong. Is this the most common assignment for 27D's? If not, what is the most common assignment?

2. While assigned to a combat oriented battalion/squadron, do you go on the field exercises with them? Or being the only legal specialist for them do you have too much work to do back in the rear?

3. Understand I was a Scout when you read this questionSmiler Do you truly have a job to do everyday? YOUR job as in 27D work? Or are you tasked out for other things that are not under your MOS, counting details? I grabbed this job hoping it was not like being a scout, where when I was not training or "scouting" I was doing everything under God that needed to be done. I did not have a job most of the time, so the Army made up jobs for me. Please tell me I will have a true job to do, important enough to not take me for a grass cutting detail, please? Smiler (not that I expect to never be on a detail)

Thanks alot, so glad I found this site. Any other information you can tell me would be great, such as duty stations. I assume you can go anywhere there is Army? How about other branches bases as well? Thanks again.
 
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What is your rank?

I ask, because it looks like your are a E-4 and below trying to skip out on some army stuff.

Anyways, you will not get assigned to S-1 by all means, usually you are assigned to HQ and attached to whatever Bn they feel like. You are never attached to a Company, unless it's HQ.

Yes, you will be going to the field if you are at the combat Bn. I just came back from there. I had not have any job with them, therefore I pulled guard duty every other day. For the whole 6 days, whoopy-doo. It is not a combat job and your NCOs are trying to get you out of any detail, cuz who the hell is going to run the job, if you are gone?

If you are really good, and I mean, really good, you will be in your office regardless of what your BC or 1SG, or LTC or whoever says, cuz there are whole bunch of other BCs, 1SGs and LTCs that need your opinion.

Learn your 27-10 inside out and you'll be set for the rest of your time. I have my batallion commanders and 1SGs running to me every day. The week I went to the field they had a heat stroke, cuz no one was able to help them out, so I was brought back.
 
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[quote:93bf6f7f43="RedKat"]What is your rank?

I ask, because it looks like your are a E-4 and below trying to skip out on some army stuff.

Anyways, you will not get assigned to S-1 by all means, usually you are assigned to HQ and attached to whatever Bn they feel like. You are never attached to a Company, unless it's HQ.

Yes, you will be going to the field if you are at the combat Bn. I just came back from there. I had not have any job with them, therefore I pulled guard duty every other day. For the whole 6 days, whoopy-doo. It is not a combat job and your NCOs are trying to get you out of any detail, cuz who the hell is going to run the job, if you are gone?

If you are really good, and I mean, really good, you will be in your office regardless of what your BC or 1SG, or LTC or whoever says, cuz there are whole bunch of other BCs, 1SGs and LTCs that need your opinion.

Learn your 27-10 inside out and you'll be set for the rest of your time. I have my batallion commanders and 1SGs running to me every day. The week I went to the field they had a heat stroke, cuz no one was able to help them out, so I was brought back.[/quote:93bf6f7f43]


Thank you for the reply!
I will be going back as an E-3, I was an E-4 prior.
No, I am not trying to "skip out" on some Army stuff. Please realize I already did 4 years, and I did it in a combat MOS. I had NO job 99% of the time other than playing janitor and being traded off to other areas for details. It is disappointing to be 18 years old joining the Army and realizing you are basically there to rake leaves and mop floors! I have no problem doing that stuff, but I do not want to spend my entire career doing it when I just went through so much training to do something else. This was how my first 4 years was, I deeply regretted joining into a combat MOS for that reason. This is why I wanted to give it another go but in a different MOS. My question was am I actually going to have a true job? Or am I going to be tasked out to do everything else under the sun like when I was a Scout? I do not think it is wrong to want to do what you are trained to do, I want to be a professional that has needed skills and knowledge that is better utilized performing those skills rather than cleaning MILES gear on a month long detail.
As for the field time, I spent an estimated 7 months out of the year in the field my first 4 years, that was with the 3rd ACR. So forgive me if I rather not repeat that! Wink I am disappointed to hear you were sent to the field with no purpose out there though.
The bottom line is, I enjoyed the Army and serving the first time, but wish I would have made a few different decisions for the reasons above. I know I will have to do my thing with details and such no matter what job I have, I just do not want that to BE my thing like it was last time. If I am going through 11 weeks of AIT, I would like to actually perform my job. I am not a new recruit out of high school wanting to come in and be lazy! Hope this clears that up.

As for assignments, what is the most common assignment if there is one? Are 27D's assigned pretty much wherever the Army can go? What about other branch bases? Thanks.

EDIT: One more thing, I notice the higher cutoff scores for 27D. How difficult do you find it to get E-5?
 
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You just hit below the belt, sort of speaking. I am 60 points short from my E5, and I have no freaking time to do correspondence courses, that I need to get my points. So, it is quite hard, but again, it depends on where you will get. In Germany I worked at Claims, and had all time in the world, but I flunked it by spending all my free time traveling in Europe.

Here in Korea I am way over my head in criminal justice. Just a typical day, as of today: got up at 5, did pt, came to the office at 9, set up the conferrence room for Art 32, wrote my hand off recording manualy everything that was said by the IO, witnesses, lawyers, etc (just in case the recorder breaks off), put the room back together, came to my office, found stack of Art 15s, waiting to be done and whole bunch of angry 1SGs on the phone, yelling at me, that I was not in the office to answer their questions. Plus I have to put all the tapes and notes on paper by COB tomorrow, plus I have to re-orginize all the filing system, oh, great, another customer, trying to get shit notarized.. Grrrr..

You know, I love this job. If you get normal NCOs, you are all set and running.

As far as assignments, it's a dumb luck. Wherever they send you, that's where you will go. Ask for Europe. DO NOT ask for Korea - this place sucks.
 
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LOL. I hear that about Korea, never did time there as a Scout. Sounds like they keep yuo busy with your work, that is what I want.
I found a points calculator and it sure is hard to get up there where those cutoff scores are, even with 91 credit hours of school.
 
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The most common assignment for a 27D is at the brigade level, at least for enlisted. It is rather uncommon to be assigned straight to division. I was assigned staright to division, because we are the busiest crim law shop in the military, and we deployed about 1 month after I got there. I am an E-3 and yes you do get put on a lot of details, if you are at the division level. As far as the brigade level goes, my buddies pull KP once every other week, and guard duty once every other week. I have been on detail more than any other 27D assigned to HHC 1CD. Being important has a factor, and so does how much work there is to do. I am currently pulling several positions, Acting Post-Trial NCO, I am the rep for two battalions whose BCT sent to Fallijuah, I do General Officer actions, ie GOMOR (General Officer Letter of Reprimand), which I think are unfair because if an enlisted soldier did any of the stuff I have seen in these, we would get an Art 15 or a Court-Martial, I help in Pre-Trail, and other little odds and ends around the office. I would suggest being a court reporter if you want on minimal details, but that comes with a lot of typing and long hours. Yes it is rather hard to get promoted, especially to E6, my first line NCO has been trying to get promoted for the past year and a half, the only thnig that he can really do now is wait for the points to drop low enough. If ou have anymore questions, feel free to send a IM on Yahoo text, or email me.
 
Posts: 3 | Location: Camp Al-Tahreer, Iraq | Registered: 17 December 2004Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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[b:b39484c81b]Well I use to be a 71L then it got changed to 42A, but the points where SO high, and the rumors of taking all ADMIN jobs away....I reclassed into a different MOS. I do miss customer service, keeping track of paperwork and knowing what the regulation states for the office you worked at.[/b:b39484c81b]
 
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