So here is my problem.. 1st I was taped two weeks before I was to attend BNCOC phase 1. No problem I was 1% under. Then the Friday before I left I was taped again, this time I was 1% over, now Im not sure how this happen, I didnt gain any weight, but some how gained 2%????

My unit decided that I would go any way. So now Im a week into my class, (and yes I did bust tape at BNCOC as well but have been given 10 day to lose the 1%.)

My unit now wants to take me again while Im at school, even though its only been 4 days, and I have been told by my unit that if I bust when they tape me, they are going to pull me out of the class.
I have a 4856 from the school stating that I have 10 days to loose the 1% and I have a 4856 from my unit before I left Identifing that I busted tape , but would attend any way.

Can My Unit just pull me out on there own?
Or do I get the 10 days from the School?

Just sounds to me that the unit messed up and is now trying to cover there 6.

Any help would be great

Thanks

If you lost muscle mass but maintained weight you could easily gain 2%. Your muscle was just replaced with fat.

Your unit can not pull you from BNCOC. It is a DA select school and now that your there then the only one that can drop you from the school is the school itself. You are assigned to the school for admin purposes. Its your units fault. They should have flagged you because you have to meet AR 600-9 standards prior to attending school. But now your there, so they messed that part up.

Now if you have the evenings free my suggestion to you is to wrap your midsection in saran wrap put on several layers of clothing and go for a run each night untill you tape again. Its worked wonders for several females I have had tape over.

Also, in this worthless new NCOES school system you can't be dropped for failing the APFT or HW - you just get a marginal on your DA1059. At least that's the way it is here and at Ft. Hood.

I've heard that if you rub Preparation H on your midsection and then wrap in plastic wrap. At least the night before tape. Any testimonials?

Not personally but I have seen it work with someone I reclassed with.

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Originally posted by 2HYSPD4U:
Your unit can not pull you from BNCOC. It is a DA select school and now that your there then the only one that can drop you from the school is the school itself. You are assigned to the school for admin purposes. Its your units fault. They should have flagged you because you have to meet AR 600-9 standards prior to attending school. But now your there, so they messed that part up.

Now if you have the evenings free my suggestion to you is to wrap your midsection in saran wrap put on several layers of clothing and go for a run each night untill you tape again. Its worked wonders for several females I have had tape over.

I was under the impression that you can attend NCOES being overweight it would just reflect on your 1610 and then when you pass your tape at your unit the unit sends a memo to the NCOA to redo your 1610 taking off the statement saying you are overweight.

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Originally posted by TransAm95NCO:

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Originally posted by 2HYSPD4U:
Your unit can not pull you from BNCOC. It is a DA select school and now that your there then the only one that can drop you from the school is the school itself. You are assigned to the school for admin purposes. Its your units fault. They should have flagged you because you have to meet AR 600-9 standards prior to attending school. But now your there, so they messed that part up.

Now if you have the evenings free my suggestion to you is to wrap your midsection in saran wrap put on several layers of clothing and go for a run each night untill you tape again. Its worked wonders for several females I have had tape over.

I was under the impression that you can attend NCOES being overweight it would just reflect on your 1610 and then when you pass your tape at your unit the unit sends a memo to the NCOA to redo your 1610 taking off the statement saying you are overweight.

I don't know what a 1610 is, but if you re-read my post above you will see what I had posted.

Perhaps you were retaining water at the time. Do you drink a lot of soft drinks? Do you eat a lot food that contains high amounts of sodium? Drink water and eat foods that are low in sodium.

When that "time of the month" rolls around, my wife tends to retain more water than usual and becomes bloated. May or may not apply to you--just a thought.
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Originally posted by TransAm95NCO:

I was under the impression that you can attend NCOES being overweight it would just reflect on your 1610 and then when you pass your tape at your unit the unit sends a memo to the NCOA to redo your 1610 taking off the statement saying you are overweight.

DD 1610s are basiclly TDY Orders. NCOAs don't do your 1610s and 1610s don't have tape test results on them.

You may be talking about the 1059s. I can't see the NCOAs redoing your 1059 after you pass tape back at you unit. The 1059 is to show your performance at the NCOA not before or after.

I apologize in advance if I am going to offend anyone, but I tell it like it is, so if the shoe fits.....too bad.

First of all, it sounds as if the Soldier attending the school is close to her authorized body fat percetage as it is and that is a concern the Soldier should have in itself. Physical fitness goes hand in hand with combat readiness. Lets not start what professional appearance it may pose needing a tape.

Second. It sounds "as if" your unit don't know CRAP about what they are doing with the standards of a TAPE TEST.

Have you ever been taped before?

Have you ever been FLAGGED for exceeding your body fat percentage for your age and gender?

Why would they feel a need to tape you a few days before the class began unless your appearance was questionable.

If you are already in the course, agreed, that pulling you would make the unit look bad. Prior to you attending, you should have got a DIAGNOSTIC PT TEST with a height weight-in and tape test if needed. If you were close to your percentage, that means you and your unit need to address their unit's weight control program. And the Soldier, needs to face their own individual challenges through dietary intake and nutritional awareness.

One thing that upsets me, is the amount of overweight/overfat, PIGS we have in this Army. And due to a "time of conflict" we have lowered our standards and accept this new standard. beingoverweight, to me, is an individual weakness and lack of self discipline. Don't dare blame your unit's physical fitness program. Blame yourself. Stop going home and shoving twinkies and ding dong's in your mouth and you won't need to worry about taping 1% under, 1% over, or even need a tape for that matter. If you feel there are other factors involved, you should seek medical screening to determine if there are conditions limiting you from making progress and/or a dietition. "I am big boned" "I got my father's genes" "I always been big" "I never needed a tape before" Blah Blah Blah..... Get in shape. Not for us, but for yourself.

Good luck with BNCOC and I hope you don't allow your reputation as a Noncommissioned Officer get tarnished at sch an early stage by receiving a marginal rating on yoru DA 1059 because you are over your bodyfat percentage.

As for those overnight get thin quick schemes..... i sthat what you unit does to solve a 5 minute tape test? what ever happened to Integrity? Honor? Personal Courage?

Jeeeees. How about Remedial PT, counseling, medical screening, dietary counseling, encouragement, weight control progression packet?

Oh wait..... Thats too time consuming for most.

Stop going home and shoving twinkies and ding dong's in your mouth and you won't need to worry about taping 1% under, 1% over, or even need a tape for that matter.

Some people are going to be taped, regardless. I agree with every single thing you said about people that bust tape, but there are many people who are going to need taped.

I just started BNCOC and got taped this morning, and yet I am 9% under the allowable body fat. So don't say that just because someone has to get taped means they are overweight or poor looking. Not to mention I regularly score 295+ on my APFT.

American Soldier what you stated is correct! To emphasize what you said coming from my experience as a Training NCO...an APFT is done w/in 30 days of school/course start date. Schools NCO's should have administered an APFT 3 to 4 weeks out and if SM is borderline in their percentage of Body Fat then what we as Schools NCOs job is to retape the SM a week after but also ensuring the SM that due to this he/she will be deferred from the course if not showing improvement and/or being IAW AR 600-9. This may be too much that was done although most of my soldiers DID want to go to school & did take it seriously.

Then again it is the BN Schools NCO to administer the APFT and ensure that the SM is ready for this course. School packets are reviewed by the CSM and your packet should have not been sent up. Believe it or not the BN looks bad!! I doubt the CSM would have wanted to send a soldier/NCO to school knowing that his/her BF is borderline. I know my CSM would have looked at me funny. I knew better! I had to please the CSM and at the same time help the soldier get in school.

1% under/over and still going to school should make you want to lose weight or do something about it. Doesnt being taped bother you?

I am a Female NCO with issues like my Body Fat since I have enlisted in this ARMY. when the AR changed I made sure I did not go back to being taped again. I do PT with my soldiers MON thru FRI and run 3 to 4 miles but manage to maintain my weight not exceeding so that i would not have to be taped! Although my score is not like many others I still score a good score of 274.

I have so many reasons why I MUST be FIT and ready for school the next day. My soldiers which look up to me, my Reputation, but most of all b/c I AM AN NCO! I did see a dietician. She called me crazy for doing that b/c nothing was wrong with me. I am 5'1 and weigh 130. Call me fat if you want but I will not be taped. I have always been from 128 to 130lbs in the 4 years in.

I am not trying to insult or offend anyone. I can see it on both sides. From armyATCgirl to the BN Schools NCO that let her get in to school.

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Originally posted by TransAm95NCO:

I was under the impression that you can attend NCOES being overweight it would just reflect on your 1610 and then when you pass your tape at your unit the unit sends a memo to the NCOA to redo your 1610 taking off the statement saying you are overweight.

DD 1610s are basiclly TDY Orders. NCOAs don't do your 1610s and 1610s don't have tape test results on them.

You may be talking about the 1059s. I can't see the NCOAs redoing your 1059 after you pass tape back at you unit. The 1059 is to show your performance at the NCOA not before or after.

Yah thats what I meant 1059, sorry long day yesterday. And yes that was what was put out, they will re-do it to reflect you are not overweight...now are NCOAs doing that? probably not. Are units sending PT failures, overweight personnel to NCOES? Probably not.

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Originally posted by TransAm95NCO:

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Originally posted by alaskaviper:

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Originally posted by TransAm95NCO:

I was under the impression that you can attend NCOES being overweight it would just reflect on your 1610 and then when you pass your tape at your unit the unit sends a memo to the NCOA to redo your 1610 taking off the statement saying you are overweight.

DD 1610s are basiclly TDY Orders. NCOAs don't do your 1610s and 1610s don't have tape test results on them.

You may be talking about the 1059s. I can't see the NCOAs redoing your 1059 after you pass tape back at you unit. The 1059 is to show your performance at the NCOA not before or after.

Are units sending PT failures, overweight personnel to NCOES? Probably not.

Think again.