Hey all, 74D2O here, soon to be 3 level. I started out in the Indiana National Guard in 1998. I was in a chemical Platoon in the HHC of a Seperate Infantry Brigade. All we did on drill weekends was train, train and more training. We did sticks lanes 4 or 5 times a year. It was fun, learned a lot of the decone/smoke aspect of the MOS. I went on active duty in 2002. I came to an MI unit as a NBC NCO. We had a pretty good BN NBC NCO and we trained up the unit on the operational decon aspect, some detection and a little recon stuff in the year we were both there. We deployed to Iraq in '03 and we did some major training for pretection then. Tha was about the last time our unit did any NBC Training. It hasd been pushed off for other, more important traing. The E-7 has PCSed long ago, and i have tried to do some training, just never have ther time. After out year ion iraq, a year later we were in Afghanistan. We had to do training anf certifications for that deployment, but no NBC stuff, other than issue the I.C.E. packs. I am also the Orderly Room, Retention, UPL, and R&U NCO for the company. You will find that if you goto a unit as a NBC NCO, more often than not, you will have additional duties other than runnung the NBC Room. I love Chem, bu8t hardly get to do it, the saying is NBC, No Body Cares. You have to push your commander to train on the NBC Tasks, don't let them blow it off, bring it up every trsaining meeting, eventually you can get a day to train your teams. I am hoping to get into SPEC Ops or Tech Escort next, whole different side of the military. We will see soon.
All you Dragon Soldiers, keep your heads up.
Posts: 8 | Location: Germany | Registered: 21 January 2006
I have recently re-enlisted into 74D after a 6 yr break. I have a growing concern over this decision everyday, and am thinking about trying to get out of it.
I have heard not one good thing about Chem. other than "Chem units are cool, and Recon rocks, but noone ever gets those anymore".
Clearly I'm distressed about this. I used to be the red headed step child in my other units and I know what happens when noone thinks what you do is worth a dam, you do everything else, mostly crap.
Is there anyway to try and get L4, or L5 in my contract? Or maybe I need to push for Airborne? I don't know. I have been NBC team leader for years, and frankly I'm good at the job, but I don't wanna be a supply clerk with a different MOS#.
Maybe I should just go 11X and let them do what they want with me from the start, looks like that's what I'm headed for anyway. At least infantry knows their grunts.
hello all, I am a 74D3P in korea. reading all these post i can see how hard everyone has it as a company level NBC NCO. I been there trust me i know it sux. I have been in the NBC Staff world all my army career. spent 6 years on bragg and 2 years here in Korea. I know what you guys are going through. I have been in units (Spec Ops, Medical, Infantry, Artilery, and Engineer) where i am the company b**ch and been in companies where i was treated like the subject matter expert i am. As far as training its all how you sell it. If you go there and say we need to do NBC training its not going to happen. go there and say such and such reg says we have to do this training and here is a plan of how to accomplish it with very little time off the training calendar. I am now a BN NBC NCO and i push my company NBC NCOs hard but teach them how to survive in the NBC Staff world. Those of you who feel lost or need some help hit me up.... keep your heads up and good things will happen eventually..... as for now this dragon soldier out.
Alright. If you are talking L4 and L5 you have your head at the right place. However, these two ASI's are almost obsolete as they are now training L6 which is a combination of the two on the same vehicle. See if you can get in in your contract. Last I heard, unless you had it in your contract soldiers that were reenlisting or going through a reclass had no chance of getting either of these schools. As for my experiences in the chemical corps. I have loved it. I am in a chemical company in Alaska, and it has so far been a great experience. Best of luck.
Well, I am finally a CBRN NCO! I have been hearing great things about this job, but after a month of it, i cannot stand it!!! I have worked in a chemical company and deployed with an nbc recon platoon. I would trade this job as long as i can go back to RECON! I re-enlisted for this and it landed me here in Korea with an MI unit. Though i make my own hours, but this desk job ain't for me. I rather go back to a line unit/platoon. So far (after getting here last month) i have become the CBRN NCO, SUPPLY SGT, R and U, Barracks NCO, Sponsor (for soldiers not working with me), Maintenance SGT in the Co., HazMat, and Driver for everything else! Thank GOD i haven't done Orderly Room yet (OPS)! Well, i just hope i didn't jinx myself! ANyone else enjoyin their time being the BDE/BN/CO "Hey You...guy?!?!?"
A journey of a thousand miles always begin with a single step. --Lao Tzu
Posts: 36 | Location: YG, Korea | Registered: 10 May 2006
HELLO TO ALL MY FELLOW DRAGON SODLIERS!!!!! Wow, I can't believe Im not the only one who hates the desk job part of this MOS. But on the real, Im a true 74D10, and I just left Korea after 2 yrs. in 2ID as a SIG BN company NBC/CBRN NCO straight outta basic/ait PVT. I enjoyed my job as far as giving training, because as we all know, we can mess with ALL RANKS as much as we want to do whatever we say in a CS Chamber, and so on;P However, the paper pushing part, I hated it right along with inspections. The good thing about the unit I was with, was I had an opportunity to work with the Korean soldiers and train my unit during sergeants time training, not as much as I'd like to but at least I got some time in there. I helped also to train my Chemical Korean Soldier well enough in his job, to earn him an ARCOM, something Korean Soldiers do not really see much of at all. Something I did see on this site is we tend to each see a Signal Company/Battalion as well as many others. I can't wait to further my carrer and reading some of what has been written gives me an idea(as far as regs. when I cant get a unit to do training)of how to better myself for the future of Dragon Soldiers and how to be certain "We Rule the Battle Through the Elements" I wish the best to all soldiers wherever you may be located...
74D2P here at bragg, 82nd ABN DIV, 2BCT. I'm in a medical unit. It's not bad, but it's pretty much the same everywhere as a company level NBC NCO.
You do the time, get your company b***h stuff out of the way, and it gets better after that.
I've been in 3 years, got my 5 at 2.5 years, so 74D has it's strengths, in that you have places to shine, ways to be seen by higher.. so you have good promotion potential if you work for it.
overall, i'm happy with my choice of MOS. Only problem now is I'm working in an e4 slot, so if i were to stay in, I'd need to find a new place to work! but I'm happy with my company, they treat me well...
whats up my fellow dragon soldiers. it is awesome to see a forum dedicated just to those that are forgot about. i feel the pain of all you nbcnco's out there. it sucks to be the jack of many trades. i mean at times it has its upside due to learning other mos' out there, but when you are a chemical guy in an infantry company deep in iraq it is hell too. i cant wait to see what life is like in a chemical company i bet it is an awesome world to be with your own people. it is so crazy to see the transformation of the chemical corp just over the past 6yrs that i have been a dragon soldier. to see them slowly taking away our smoke section hurts, but the needs of the army always win. if anyone is about to become an nbcnco hit me up i will give you a lot of pointers more so if you are about to be an infantry line company nbcnco its a different world trust me. ELEMENTIS REGAMUS PROELIUM LEAD ON DRAGON SOLDIERS HOOAH FROM IRAQ
Originally posted by 4-STAR_CHEMICAL: Well Polk I dont really know about but korea I'm in korea now and I'm in a MI unit. It really sucks in my unit but whats even worst is that I had a full chemical battalion on my post and I could not leave my unit because my 1SG and SGM "needed me too much". The only thing is that they disbanded and left behind just a BIDS unit. They still need joes from what I understand. I wanted to go but I'm on orders for Bragg so me going there is out of the picture. Your best be is to talk to branch about about where you want to go. Dont they have chem units in Beerland?
You wouldnt happen to be on Camp Carroll would ya? I was with 23d Chem BN till they left and made us BIDS guys stay. Then they moved my company up to Camp Hovey/Casey attached to 4th Chem.
74D here only in the Reserves though. Looking to go Active next year after I come home from my deployment. We only have a HQ Detachment with Staff Sections so we don't get much Chemical training if any at all. I don't like that at all. Maybe I'll be lucky to end up in a Chemical Company some day.
I'm a newly "appointed" CBRN NCO for an artillery unit in Korea and I'm not looking forward to it. If anyone's still around, I'd be encouraged to hear some good things about this MOS because it looks like I might end up re-classing into it at the end of this "short" tour on the other side of the world.
"Acknowledge what your replacement might do and own up to why you're not willing to do it yourself." -memorable quote
I see that there are a bunch of old posts. I am going to throw my two cents out there. I have been in this MOS since 1988. I stayed in this MOS because it allows me the flexibility to go to different units and learn new things. I started out in the 366th Chemical Company as a smoke generator operator. This was a Reserve Unit in Augusta, GA but now they are at Ft Stewart, my home base. I went active in 1989 and landed in the 21st Chemical Company before they lost the right to jump. I was jumping out of airplanes and learning infantry tasks while in a Chem Co. I had some great leaders that were not affraid to think outside the box. In 1991 I moved over to C Co 1/325 AIR. My PSG in the Chem Co told me to learn everything that they know so that I would become more valuable than an infantryman. So I followed his advice and did everything they did plus learn how to fire a 60mm mortar from the base and hip. When I PCS'd to Germany I landed in B Co 2/15 INF which later changed to B Co 1/26 INF. the five years that I spent outside of a Chem Co I was never treated like/as the Company B***h. I used the subtle approach and slid my NBC training in where they schedule had some blank spots and I was able to meet all of my annual and semi annual requirements. Most of my training was done in garrison but it did not mtter to me because i was able to accomplish my mission. I have been in nothing but Chem Units since 1996 when I returned from Germany to Ft Bragg. Make and keep yourself smart on CBRN tasks and if you have a Chem Co near you, I advise anyone to go down and train with them also. Do not allow your unit to lock you in the building. Get out and train with the line platoons of what ever unit your in. Many times I pulled security for the 11C's but I did not mind it because it kept me from being the 1SG's gopher in the field. I was able to play an active role at live fire ranges and i helped to kick in many doors when the line platoons were training. I had an active part in Airfield Siezure Missions and busted my butt on more than one runway. When I was with the light infantry on Ft Bragg I had the chance to switch over to infantry and get a team leader job in the unit but I could not picture myself spending 20yrs on Ft Bragg because there are only a few places an airborne infantryman can go. So I stayed Chemical and I am happy with my decisions. The people who have a difficult time outside of a Chem Co are the ones that try and fight the system in which they will lose. You must adjust your way of thinking and become smarter than the people that you are dealing with. Look for those little niblets of time where you can slide in a quick train-the-trainer class. I did not mean to babble but I hope that this will help someone.
(RRs 5 Rs) Right place; Right time; Right uniform/ equipment; Right frame of mind/ attitude; Ready to work/ train/ perform/ excel/ execute/ succeed