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Chief,

no, the D's didn't hit their RCP, although they are both E-6, they were caught in an unofficial QSP, you know the one the Army said that 25Ds were exempt from. Well if you read the SFC promotion criteria milper msg, it states that your BASD has to be after June 1996, and that caught both of these 25Ds, as their BASDs were earlier.

Funny enough, this weeks Army Times addresses the issue, and promises to rectify the processes that led to this unfortunate circumstance.

B-U-T that's a day late and $100,000.00 short I'm afraid. Turns out these two are receiving 100K job offers, in the civilian sector, as I type this.

So like I said, don't worry about these guys they are going to be "O.K." :-)

@SGT Smitty - the basic requirements for 17C are the same as for 25D, same book, different cover. As far as the various MOSs the Army is looking at making available to laterally transfer to the 17C MOS, I don't have that info, as the Command is still trying to figure that out.

Think of it like this, 35Qs attended JCAC for their job roles; 17C will attend JCAC for their job roles; 35Q MOS billets will be significantly reduced across the Army in the coming years. 17C MOS billets will be increased in the coming years.

The Army recognizes an issue we at Cyber are all too familiar with: Signal wants to control 25Ds fates, and MI wants to control 35Qs fates, and frankly it's not their decision, and never was. These are CYBER jobs; they will be accountable to the CYBER Branch, and the CYBER Branch alone.


Information Dominance!
 
Posts: 17 | Location: USA | Registered: 25 August 2013Reply With QuoteReport This Post

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Hello all,

I see 25D on MILPER Message 14-196, do you still need 4 years in IA and IT to apply?
 
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Yes. Better hope you got real IA time too... 8 years a 2tN... Never really had any s6 or g6 time. Got the deny stamp.
 
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You also need security+? I'm just wondering.
 
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Afaik it is a requirement. Probably best to have more as well. Such as CEH, or the like.
 
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Can anyone provide insight on the ISST? I'm aware of it being both an IT and Psych eval, but for the IT portion can anyone mention what it contains or what the questions are geared towards?
 
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ok ok ..

you don't need CEH, in fact, you will get CEH IF you get accepted into the CPB. It wouldn't hurt your chances though.

As far as the ISST goes, if you can't pass the IT portion you should not even be touching a computer, as the questions are THAT easy. Here's a freebie:

What program do you use to open a .xls file?

IF you had to GOOGLE the answer, you are not ready!

The requirements are the same as they have been, and if you didn't make the cut, @sunizo, it could be for any one of a number of different reasons. That doesn't mean everyone will get cut.

Having either Net+ or Sec+ tells the people vetting your packet that you not only understand the material, but that you also consider it serious business.

This isn't a job, not really. It's a passion, and it has to be treated as such. If you are not the person on the weekends reading IT books, and 'breaking something just to fix it', then you probably are not the person they are looking for. Think of it like this, the NSA hires 'not very many' people 'we'll say once a year' to perform a specific role, that 'not very many' can comprehend, let alone, perform. The Army Cyber BDE seams to have modeled it's recruiting policies based on those same principles.

This is not a typical Army profession, and it will be difficult to get into to, but then the rewards are so great for achieving this level of 'we'll say awesomeness' that it isn't for everyone.

If your friends don't call you a nerd/geek/etc. then maybe you're not ready yet.

The BEAR program is gone now, and I have no idea how it's going to affect CYBER as a whole, but I'm certain that those who ARE worthy of making it to this level, will make it.

@sunizo, you're not helping your case, when you type like you are (a lot of typos). it shows people that you don't really care how you are perceived by others, professionally. I assume 2tN was supposed to be 25N.

I worked in at least 2 S-6s, and I assisted the G-6 on occasion, and I had to assess people even then for roles of great responsibility, and I can tell you that only 1 in 20 ever got the opportunity to serve the command at that level. That doesn't mean that you don't have what it takes, but maybe the perception displayed in your packet suggested as much.

Like I said a couple years ago, we are not just looking for PT studs, or Uber G33ks, but the total package; that includes being able to address Generals on the 'short-comings' of their network security posture, etc.

My suggestion for anyone interested in pursing this field, is to read my older posts thoughtfully, and follow the advice. There is no shortcut for this, so any time spent looking for one, is wasted.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a GCCC test to study for. PM me for more specific advise.

Happy Memorial Day @ALL
 
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@CYBER Trail Blazer and WiseChief:
So the new milper message came out declaring 17C is open for reclassification applications. The requirements are fairly easy to meet and I know I meet all of the requirements.

However when I looked at the example packet I noticed that there was a Cyber survey. Most of the questions I will have to answer with "none" as I have almost no experience with cyber. Do you think it is worth putting in a packet as I meet all HRC requirements or having almost no prior knowledge of cyber puts me too far behind the power curve?
 
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Originally posted by SGT Smitty:
@CYBER Trail Blazer and WiseChief:
So the new milper message came out declaring 17C is open for reclassification applications. The requirements are fairly easy to meet and I know I meet all of the requirements.

However when I looked at the example packet I noticed that there was a Cyber survey. Most of the questions I will have to answer with "none" as I have almost no experience with cyber. Do you think it is worth putting in a packet as I meet all HRC requirements or having almost no prior knowledge of cyber puts me too far behind the power curve?


SGT,

I do not know what MOS you have but if you are 25 series, have you worked in any form of information assurance (IA) now called Cyber Security Division (CSD)?

Have you worked with HBSS and deployed/tweaked it on end hosts?

Have you ever executed Retina or ACAS scans?

Performed any form of IT security on a computer?

Do you have at least a Security+ certification?

Do you understand the Linux OS?

Have you ever downloaded open source tools such as SIFT and SiLK and played with it at home? lol.

Stuff like that.

Also, you have nothing to lose by submitting your packet. Good luck.
 
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Well I am a 35L and I have 0 experience with IT. I have some experience with DOMEX and an interest in MUDs (telnet based online games). I have played with scripting with MUD clients but that's about as far as my programming and network experience goes. So I have really no knowledge or certification.
 
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@SGT Smitty

I agree with @WiseChief, it can't hurt to submit a packet.

Here is the Milper Msg for 17C:
http://www.armyreenlistment.co..._15_164_20150602.pdf

.. and here is this weeks ArmyTimes bite on the 17C MOS:
http://www.armytimes.com/story...irst-class/71061118/

Just finishing up the 25D40 SLC pilot course, and I'll just say that it's been an interesting learning experience. Aside from the numerous staff duty taskings, the course was fantastic. I will go as far as to say (for those established 25Ds listening), that this course is not at the same level the 25D course was. Indexes will not help you in these courses. Not official yet (pilot) but I do believe they are going to change this course a bit, maybe remove one of the SANS courses. The auditing course was beneficial, and enlightened us all on some key questions we had in the past. The 20 Critical Security Controls (heh heh good luck). The network forensics course was probably the most beneficial of them all, as it goes into great detail on netflow and ways to correlate it (best to have taken intrusion analysis prior to this course). The final course we are in now seems a bit dull, especially after all the courses we just finished (my 2 cents).

Looks like the CPB is full now, especially since they are converting 25Ds and 35Q to 17C come 1 Oct, but don't let that discourage you, as a majority of the slots for 17Cs are 30 and below, and a majority of the 25Ds, and 35Qs will get pinned SFC and MSG here very soon (hint hint). I have been seeing a lot of my buddies, in the 25D course, from various previous assignments, and they tell me they are being assigned to various non-cyber units.

That being said, if you reclass to 17C, you WILL be assigned to one of only a few cyber units, in the U.S., to include the CPB.

Thinking of reclassing? Look here for details on the application process (CACd):
https://uscyberschool.army.mil...e=0&_58_redirect=%2f

I know a lot of you are having difficulty merging with the cyber idea, and while I cannot just give you a red pill, and BAM, I CAN point you in a few directions that may help you to reach your goal of eventually becoming a Cyber Operations Specialist.

There are numerous FREE resources on the web that offer cyber related training. just to name a few:

http://www.cybrary.it/
this one is FREE and offers numerous cutting edge training on tools and processes for various cyber fields. I am a member (different alias), and I recommend them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KByVf5-OJuQ (or just use the MANual pages)
For those who have a background in Linux already, it is imperative that you develop your skills using such stream editors as: GREP, SED, AWK, CUT, SORT, UNIQ, WC, etc. This is vital to your continued studies in various cyber fields.

DISCLAIMER: Using some or all of these tools on any target other than your own separate lab environment may be illegal, in other words, hack your own $h!t.

KUDOS! to the Personnel Management Chief who has acknowledged that cyber specialists, techs, and officers are needed, and for providing the much needed leniency to up-or-out rules. source: http://www.militarytimes.com/s...n-pentagon/71067386/

Good Luck!

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This is free cyber training as well

https://www.dcita.edu/registration.html <--Create an account with your CAC (use your mail certificate, follow the enroll process (I used ARCYBER for the organization)) and remember your account name). Then access the website via username and password.

https://www.dcita.edu/training.html

https://www.dcita.edu/courses.html
 
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Just siting here killin ⌚ to 'Martin Garrix'!
This kid's ahead of his time! An artist in both mind and spirit!

Speaking of being ahead of time, there is a Book that just released and really scales!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=insite%3A...hacker+playbook+2%27

This book is loaded with great tools and tradecraft tips for the up and coming cyber security practitioner!

Just finished Methodologies Training (Advanced ******* Tradecraft). The training did not disappoint at all! One common theme though was the lack of Linux proficiency. I can't say this enough, if you don't know Linux you will be lost! One great thing that came out of the experience was the opportunity to successfully debunk the idea that 'one must be a good programmer to be a great hacker'. Hell the people that made the most findings during training have little or no programming skills whatsoever!

Well back to m'jams!

See Ya @ BSIDES

http://www.securitybsides.com/...BSidesAugusta%202015

Keep Reading Those Books!
 
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43 - 25Ds promoted to SFC! .. WOW!

well I'm in another class 'shocked pose' Forensics .. and it's turning out to be very beneficial so far. Just a few more days till 8 Oct ... and we'll see who converts 17C.

Recently one of our Brothers, a First Ever 25D, retired. That now leaves just 10 of us 'First Ever' 25Ds remaining on the force.

If you HAVE been following my advice about the books, here's another good one. The author, Jason Cannon, emailed me and said he was making it FREE, but only for a short while, so if you have Kindle or if you have PC Kindle Reader, go download it:

http://www.amazon.com/Shell-Sc...ords=shell+scripting

Also if you are interested in learning how to script with PowerShell you can download the training solution here (rumor: PowerShell going to steal the scene for both Windows and Linux):

https://www.idera.com/products...tools/powershellplus

Finished reading this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Instant-...=1-1&keywords=tshark

and this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Practice...C_UL160_SR121%2C160_

Those two books really give one a great introduction on the capability of TShark, and various NetFlow tools; I recommend them both.

This goes out to 25D(Retired) M.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0

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Yes, I heard about the 25Ds and a shame that no 25Bs were selected, but I am tracking that 25Bs are way over-strength.

I have been working with a few 25Ds from the CPTs and we did some HBSS work together for a Cyber Exercise. If you like, PM me your e-mail and I hook you up with some inside stuff that I have received.
 
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