I've spent a couple hours searching for this stuff (which considering we only get 30 minutes at a time is pretty good), so if it readily available sorry, I tried.
Some general info, then my questions.
Joined Sep19, 2006 as an 11B for 5 years 19 weeks. Graduated ITB in Jan, shipped to 5-2 SBCT at Lewis. Month later volunteered to come over as a replacement with 3-2SBCT. As I have a college degree, came in as a Spec4. Ever since I got here my PSG has been on my balls about either going OCS if I want to stay in or going into something that would benefit me if I plan on getting out. I've finally broke down and started looking at being a Linguist (97E I believe but as I said not sure). Told him this a couple nights ago and he wants me to get on it as soon as we redeploy.
Okay, first how long do you have to be in before you can reclass. I've read 17 months, 2 years, 15 months till ETS, and 1 year if it is a priority MOS.
Secondly I see that 97E has a BEAR rating of 4.5 the highest on the list. However 11B has a 1.5. Does that mean 11B is also a shortage MOS and thus I can't reclass?
Dammit, I was sure I had a third question before I went through registration.... I'll be back.
u need to be in your reenlistment window so u can reenlist for a reclassification of mos. u need to check the in/out calls for ur current mos and the mos that u want to go to. retention should have that list posted on the retention board.
Originally posted by Anc: I've spent a couple hours searching for this stuff (which considering we only get 30 minutes at a time is pretty good), so if it readily available sorry, I tried.
Some general info, then my questions.
Joined Sep19, 2006 as an 11B for 5 years 19 weeks. Graduated ITB in Jan, shipped to 5-2 SBCT at Lewis. Month later volunteered to come over as a replacement with 3-2SBCT. As I have a college degree, came in as a Spec4. Ever since I got here my PSG has been on my balls about either going OCS if I want to stay in or going into something that would benefit me if I plan on getting out. I've finally broke down and started looking at being a Linguist (97E I believe but as I said not sure). Told him this a couple nights ago and he wants me to get on it as soon as we redeploy.
Okay, first how long do you have to be in before you can reclass. I've read 17 months, 2 years, 15 months till ETS, and 1 year if it is a priority MOS.
Secondly I see that 97E has a BEAR rating of 4.5 the highest on the list. However 11B has a 1.5. Does that mean 11B is also a shortage MOS and thus I can't reclass?
Dammit, I was sure I had a third question before I went through registration.... I'll be back.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
No offense scout, but instead of telling the guy why not show him the information?
Anyhow, to the OP: you need to have 17 months TIS before you can re-enlist minimum, and you need to be within 2 years of your ETS if you are in garrison. If you are deployed you can re-enlist whenever.
Currently the IN/OUT call for 11B SPC is "N" which means you cannot reclass using the BEAR program. Anyhow, 97E SPC has a 0 bonus for BEAR program. You need to be SGT(P) or SSG to get the 4.5.
However, you CAN re-class using Option 3, Military Training because you are a first term Soldier. You just won't get a bonus. Don't worry, I did the same thing. You might be bummed to not get a bonus but you will be much happier job searching as a civilian than just about any 11B without a ton of specialized training. I am not hating on combat arms; I was a 13M before I reclassed. And combat arms really doesn't have many options other than some security agencies and your generic jobs (like police, law enforcement, etc).
If you want to reclass into 97E (soon to be 35M), take a look at my site: www.ej20.us/35M
It should be noted, however, as you will see in my site 97E is no longer a language dependent MOS.
1) Option 3, Military Training. How long do you have to be in before you can do this?
2) Is there no straight up linguist MOS? I'd really like to go study Arabic at the DLI. I'm pretty good with languages (Honors Latin and German) and pretty good with standardized tests (131 GT) so I figure I'll do pretty good on the DLAB.
3) Are retention NCOs as clueless/unhelpful/deceptive as Recruiters? That's part of the reason I am trying to get as much info as I can before I go talk to one.
1) Option 3, Military Training. How long do you have to be in before you can do this?
2) Is there no straight up linguist MOS? I'd really like to go study Arabic at the DLI. I'm pretty good with languages (Honors Latin and German) and pretty good with standardized tests (131 GT) so I figure I'll do pretty good on the DLAB.
3) Are retention NCOs as clueless/unhelpful/deceptive as Recruiters? That's part of the reason I am trying to get as much info as I can before I go talk to one.
1) If you can re-enlist, you can re-enlist for military training.
2) 09L is technically a linguist only MOS but you have to be a native speaker. 98G is guaranteed linguist qualified and is the only one left. 97E you can be a linguist and get paid, but if you came into the Army sometime on or after FEB05 give or take...it was no longer language dependent.
Originally posted by Anc: Thanks again, this website is proving to be most helpful.
Okay so basically there is no chance of reclassing until I have less than two years left? Not even to a critically undermanned MOS?
Do you know if you can get Language in your contract if you go 97E?
And lastly, this may sound pretty stupid, but if I change MOS's do I have to give up my Blue Cord?
1) No chance unless you send up a DA4187 requesting reclassification or you are deployed. The DA4187 never hurts but since you are a N in your outcall you are 99% not going to get moved. You never know though.
2) It's not likely but I've seen a lot. So probably you won't but you never know I guess.
Originally posted by 35M3L00PF: Anyhow, to the OP: you need to have 17 months TIS before you can re-enlist minimum, and you need to be within 2 years of your ETS if you are in garrison. If you are deployed you can re-enlist whenever.
Wow, a few misunderstandings here:
You do not need to be in 17 months to reenlist; that's just to receive a bonus.
You must be in your Reenlistment Window (24-months from ETS) to get offered Option 3, Army Training Option (unless your MOS is overstrength). You will not be offered Option 3 while deployed unless you are in your Reenlistment Window. You can reenlist OUTSIDE your Reenlistment Window while deployed for Options 1 and 2.
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Originally posted by 35M3L00PF: Currently the IN/OUT call for 11B SPC is "N" which means you cannot reclass using the BEAR program. Anyhow, 97E SPC has a 0 bonus for BEAR program. You need to be SGT(P) or SSG to get the 4.5.
"Soldiers requesting MOS 21D, 21P, 37F, 89D, 97E or CMF 18 may request entry into the BEAR program regardless of their In/Out call status." http://www.armyreenlistment.com/BEAR.htm
Because there is no multiplier for SPC (and because 97E is only for SGT(P) and SSG), you cannot extend under the BEAR Program for this MOS.
Originally posted by Anc: 3) Are retention NCOs as clueless/unhelpful/deceptive as Recruiters? That's part of the reason I am trying to get as much info as I can before I go talk to one.
WOW!
First of all, your Retention NCO is your unit's Command Sergeant Major. If you'd like to call him/her clueless and the like, I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall.
Retention NCO (by position) = Command Sergeant Major Reenlistment NCO = part- or full-time additional duty NCO from within a unit. Knowledge level depends on their time in the job and willingness to want to learn and assist Soldiers. Career Counselor - School trained (MOS 79S) subject matter expert in the Army Retention Program. Although their level of knowledge far exceeds a Reenlistment NCO's, knowledge level stills depends on time in the job and willingness to want to learn and assist Soldiers.
If you're asking questions in a "Reenlistment Forum" you may not want to slap the faces of the Soldiers that will be giving you honest and useful answers and information.
Originally posted by 35M3L00PF: Anyhow, to the OP: you need to have 17 months TIS before you can re-enlist minimum, and you need to be within 2 years of your ETS if you are in garrison. If you are deployed you can re-enlist whenever.
Wow, a few misunderstandings here:
You do not need to be in 17 months to reenlist; that's just to receive a bonus.
You must be in your Reenlistment Window (24-months from ETS) to get offered Option 3, Army Training Option (unless your MOS is overstrength). You will not be offered Option 3 while deployed unless you are in your Reenlistment Window. You can reenlist OUTSIDE your Reenlistment Window while deployed for Options 1 and 2.
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Originally posted by 35M3L00PF: Currently the IN/OUT call for 11B SPC is "N" which means you cannot reclass using the BEAR program. Anyhow, 97E SPC has a 0 bonus for BEAR program. You need to be SGT(P) or SSG to get the 4.5.
"Soldiers requesting MOS 21D, 21P, 37F, 89D, 97E or CMF 18 may request entry into the BEAR program regardless of their In/Out call status." http://www.armyreenlistment.com/BEAR.htm
Because there is no multiplier for SPC (and because 97E is only for SGT(P) and SSG), you cannot extend under the BEAR Program for this MOS.
1) Maybe I am mistaken or a recent change has come out. I came in the Army on a two year enlistment. I was told I could not re-up until I hit 17 months.
2) I didn't post the exceptions because I noticed that there is no option for SPC. I should have specified that and instead I rushed the answer. Sorry for the miscommunication.
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