E-6, 11C3P, I have 13 years TIS, had a 3 year break between 12 and 13. Infantry branch is saying according to them I am a first termer again.

I am within 24 months of my ETS in 05/2010. I would like to reclass into 35L. I have a 116 GT, ST line is 114. I also have a 116 DLAB(not required). I currently have a secret, working on interim TS. I meet all Req's for 35L.

I figure my only option is Indef at this point, unless I am being steered wrong and regs have changed since last time I was in. Is it possible to extend so I am out of my window then do a voluntary reclass, or do I need to reup indef then submit a packet to reclass.

Do I even have any options applying to my situation?

I am aware that 35L is critical so good chance I would get this. What is the process I need to go about doing, to get all my ducks in a row before I reenlist?

Thanks

Keep doing the back and forth thing with branch and retention. I know its a long, drawn out process, but thena again, what isn;t in the army.

Abnd hopefully you'll get to leave 1-8 asap. I was in 1-8 and when I left in 06, it went from being one of the best AC units in the Army to one of the worst. Alot of the Senior NCOs reffered to it as "the unit where careers die."

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Originally posted by Im_Vince_And_I_Sell_Tires:
Keep doing the back and forth thing with branch and retention.

When we need tire advice, you'll be the first person we ask ... you have no idea how retention works; you're not even in the Army, right?

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Originally posted by ssg1-8cav:
Infantry branch is saying according to them I am a first termer again.

I don't know why branch would say anything like this, but your Career Counselor will easily see you are a careerist.

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Originally posted by ssg1-8cav:
I figure my only option is Indef at this point, unless I am being steered wrong and regs have changed since last time I was in.

35L is on the BEAR Program for SSG ONLY. Since your MOS is balanced and a C Zone bonus is being offered, you qualify for the BEAR Program.

Ensure you meet all the qualifications for 35L:

CI agents must possess the following qualifications:
(1) A physical demands rating of medium.
(2) A physical profile of 222221.
(3) Normal color vision.
(4) Qualifying scores:
(a) A minimum score of 105 in aptitude area ST on Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) tests administered prior to 2 January 2002.
(b) A minimum score of 102 in aptitude area ST on ASVAB tests administered on and after 2 January 2002.
(c) A minimum score of 101 in aptitude area ST (TECH) on ASVAB tests administered on and after 1 July 2004.
(5) The Soldier must meet TOP SECRET (TS) Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) access eligibility requirements to be awarded this MOS. For clearance requirements to attend training, refer to the Army Training Requirements and Resources System (ATRRS).
(6) A high school graduate or equivalent.
(7) Demonstrates clear enunciation and comprehension of English and good Standard English grammar skills.
(8) Never been a member of the U.S. Peace Corps, except as specified in AR 614-200, (para 3-2).
(9) MOS closed for reclassification at SFC, MSG and SGM, except for those Soldiers within CMF 35.
(10) No information in military personnel, Provost Marshal, intelligence, or medical records which would prevent the granting of a security eligibility under AR 380-67 (para 3.401.a).
(11) No record of conviction by court-martial.
(12) No record of conviction by a civil court for any offense other than minor traffic violations.
(13) This MOS accepts Soldiers reclassifying from all Army MOSs. There is no dedicated/preferred feeder MOS. All applications must be interviewed by CI personnel and fully processed in accordance with DA Pam 600-8, procedure 3-33.
(14) The Soldier must be a U.S. citizen. Members of immediate family (see 15b) must also be U.S. citizens. Soldier and immediate family can be naturalized citizens. If naturalized, there is no minimum residency requirement.
(15) Soldier and spouse must not have immediate family members who reside in a country within whose boundaries physical or mental coercion is known to be common practice, either against--
(a) Persons accused of or acting in the interest of the U.S. or
(b) The relatives of such persons to whom they may reasonably be considered to be bound by ties of affection, kinship, or obligation. Immediate family for both Soldier and spouse will include both blood and step-: parents, spouse, children, sisters, brothers, any other living blood relative, or a person in loco parentis per AR 600-8-10.
(16) Have neither commercial nor vested interest in a country within whose boundaries physical or mental coercion is known to be a common practice against persons acting in the interest of the U.S. This requirement applies to the Soldier's spouse as well.
(17) A minimum age of 21 or above for accreditation as CI Agent.
(18) Meet selection criteria and classification and assignment restrictions contained in AR 601-210 and AR 614-200.
(19) Meet career management and development criteria contained in AR 614-200 and DA Pam 352-4.
(20) Formal training (completion of CI Special Agents Course conducted under the auspices of U.S. Army Intelligence Center) mandatory.
(21) Satisfactorily complete a 1 year probation period after CI training.
(22) Be advised that due to the nature of training and assignments, temporary restrictions may be placed on foreign travel both during and after the term of service.
(23) MOS closed for reclassification to Soldiers who have been deemed permanently non-deployable in accordance with AR 614-30, AR 40-501, AR 220-1 and AR 600-8-101. Soldiers must meet the minimum criteria for retainability stated in AR 600-60, paragraph 4-2(b) and be fully deployable to all locations and echelons.

*update*
I went to speak with my Reup/Reclass NCO today, I asked about 35L under the BEAR program. She told me I do not qualify because my AOS does not allow the payment of the bonus.

My numbers are as follows:
basd 1994 09 04
+ 16 years
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AOS 2010 09 04
ETS 2010 05 24

leaving me 3 mos over on payments of a bonus. Are those numbers correct? This is what my Reup is telling me.

What I read according to the milper message the bonuses will be paid in a lump sum. Do I qualify for this lump sum?

I also spoke with my S2 concerning my clearance, they suggested I look into 35M, I already have the DLAB score and the security Req is only secret which I possess now.

My Reup told me if I do qualify under BEAR I would not qual for the bonus but could possibly still do BEAR. Just need some clarification on all this. Seeing as when I first talked to my Reup her info has changed from I can't extend only reenlist, you dont qual for BEAR, to I think you qual for BEAR. I called her on the extension and she stated if I would have asked her about BEAR she would have told me. I just feel like I am NOT getting all the info/truth from her.

Thanks

Are you talking with a Reenlistment NCO or a Career Counselor (PMOS 79S)?

Yeah, you'll need at least 12-months of AOS to qualify for a bonus under the BEAR Program. And if you don't qualify for the bonus, you don't qualify for the BEAR Program; so you cannot extend.

What can you do?

You'll need to reenlist under the indefnite reenlistment program and then submit a voluntary reclassification through your Career Counselor. You can't submit a voluntary reclassification when you're in your reenlistmet window.

Im kind of in the same boat. Im a 31B SGT(P)and currently in my reenlistment window. I want to reclass either 35F,G,L or 31D. I have been told that I can do it then Ive been told that I am unable to because 31B is a shortage MOS. The second time I was told that Id have to drop a 4187 to request reclass. Can I reclass through the BEAR or do I have to drop a 4187 to reclass? My BASD is 19960105 and my ETS date is 20100411.

Because you have over 10 years of active service, you can only reenlist for Option 1, Regular Army Reenlistment Option.

Once you reenlist, you can put your application in for 31D. Since you're remaining in the same CMF, you shouldn't have an issue getting the reclassification approved, even though SGT/31Bs are a shortage MOS.

So that means Im unable to reclass to the 35 series even if I make SSG. We are balanced in that area.

No, that's not what it means. You need to read the entire post ...

You can submit a voluntary reclassification (by submitting your 31D application). This occurs OUTSIDE of the 24-month reenlistment window.

Since you are currently within your 24-month reenlistment window, you cannot request voluntary reclassification. You must reenlist first and then submit your voluntary reclassification.

Soldiers with 10 or more years of active service are limited to Option 1 only.

Thanks for the info.