i have a question. i am currently deployed and i reclassed while deployed. my current MOS is an 88H and my reclass MOS is 88N. I noticed on my ERB that my promotable MOS is now 88N. No one can tell me why the change happened. S1 doesnt know anything. A fellow soldier told me that it changed because i reclassed and it means that i can get a conditional promotion under that MOS because i am deployed and cant attend the school until i redeploy. Does anyone have any more information on this topic

Back in the day, and AR can chime in about this, but you had to change the soldier's MOS in Retrain to get them a class date. So when I re-upped from 13M to 97E my MOS changed. This caused me big problems because I was technically not MOS-Q in 97E and my promotion was delayed 6 months or so and I actually had to get a letter signed by the BDE CDR explaining that 97E was not my actual MOS.

Anyhow, I never heard of the conditional promotion thing it sounds like a barracks rumor to me.

Hopefully ArmyReenlistment can chime in shortly with the way the current re-up system works and see if the same thing happened to you that happened to me. I would expect your bonus MOS to change but I'm surprised your promotable MOS would have changed.

This may be a glitch in the eMilpo system ... voluntary versus mandatory/involuntary.

AR 600-8-19, Enlisted Promotions and Reductions, Chapter 3:

Processing Soldiers Reclassified While on a Recommended List

3–24. Rules
a. Soldiers who are reclassified, for other than loss of qualifications as a result of inefficiency or misconduct, will compete against the promotion point cutoff score and may be promoted in the newly awarded MOS effective the first day of the second month following reclassification.
b. Soldiers mandatorily reclassified into a PMOS in which they are not fully qualified in accordance with DA PAM 611–21 (normally due to lack of requirement such as training) will compete for promotion in the new PMOS on the first day of the second month following reclassification. An example would be a Soldier with an additional skill identifier (ASI) of 4A. When a Soldier meets or exceeds an announced cutoff score prior to completing the required training, the Soldier will be promoted conditionally contingent on successful completion of the PMOS training. Soldier who are promoted conditionally and subsequently fail to complete the required training for cause or academic reason will be administratively reduced. The following statement will be added to the special instructions of the promotion instrument: Soldier has not met the PMOS training requirement and is promoted conditionally. If the Soldier does not attend or successfully complete the required PMOS training as scheduled, the Soldier will be administratively reduced and will have to be reboarded to become promotable.
c. Once a Soldier is reclassified, he or she can no longer compete in the old PMOS.
d. Soldiers with an approved voluntary reclassification will compete in their current PMOS through the month of reclassification.

I have a question about reclassing.Iam a 88M now wanting to reclass at my 2 year mark to 21M.I have my FF1&2 in the states, but there not IFSAC certs, so Id have to go back to AIT.I have no prob. doing that. Iam stationed on Bragg & want to stay their. 8th ord. has FFs located their so that works out good. I guess my question is will it be possiable to get out of my current MOS? What could anyone tell me about ETSing & going Navy as they have a high speed FF MOS? Would I have to ask someone in the Army to let me out of my inactive time? Thanks for info ANYONE can give me.

PFC desbrough, for future reference, please initiate a new thread so as not to piggynack on others questions. This will ultimately assist all.

Since 21M is a balanced MOS, it's highly doubtful you'll get this MOS, but when you enter your 24-month reenlistment window you may be able to request this MOS and if the strengths support, it's a possibility (albeit small)

Below are the basic qualifications for 21M:

Firefighters must possess the following qualifications:
(1) A physical demands rating of very heavy.
(2) A physical profile of 111121.
(3) Normal color vision.
(4) Qualifying scores.
(a) A minimum score of 90 in aptitude area GM in Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) tests administered prior to 2 January 2002.
(b) A minimum score of 88 in aptitude area GM on ASVAB tests administered on and after 2 January 2002.
(5) No record of pyrophobia, acrophobia, or claustrophobia.
(6) Must possess a valid state motor vehicle operator license.
(7) For initial award of MOS, attend mandatory formal training at Goodfellow AFB, TX, or must meet the ACASP criteria per paragraph 9-5b (5)(b) of this pamphlet and have International Fire Service Accreditation Congress or National Board on Fire Service Professional Qualifications (Pro-Board) accredited certifications in Firefighter I and II, Airport Firefighter and Hazardous-Material Awareness and Operations in accordance with DoD 6055.06-M (DoD Fire and Emergency Services Program).
(8) All DoD firefighters must be certified at the next higher level before being eligible for a position at that level, in accordance with DoD 6055.06-M. Effective 1 October 2007, in order to retain MOS 21M, NCOs (SGT, SSG, SFC) must become certified to grade within 2 years of promotion for Active duty, and within 3 years of promotion for Reserve Components. NCOs who fail to complete required certification training within the stated time will be involuntarily reclassified.
(9) The options available to Army firefighters, both Active and Reserve Components, for fulfilling certification requirements are: attend courses at the Louis F. Garland Fire Academy, Goodfellow Air Force Base (GAFB), TX; attend IFSAC or pro-board accredited courses available through universities and colleges; or enroll in USAF Career Development Courses (CDCs) online.
(10) Soldiers who have completed IFSAC and pro-board accredited training must obtain DoD equivalent certification through the DoD Fire and Emergency Services Certification Program in accordance with DoD 6055.06-M. Certification levels of all DoD fire and emergency services personnel, to include MOS 21M Soldiers, can be viewed and verified at http://www.dodffcert.com.
(11) The following are the minimum DoD certification levels required for award and retention of skill levels:
(a) Minimum DoD certification skill level 1 required for award and retention Firefighter I, Firefighter II, Airport Firefighter, Hazardous Material Awarness/Operations, Telecommunicator I (all these certifications are obtained at AIT). Additional certifications are Driver Operator ARFF, and Driver/Operator Pumper (continuing education).
(b) Minimum DoD certification skill level 2 required for award and retention Fire Instructor I and Fire Officer I. (Note: These CDC courses are prerequisites for attending BNCOC). For SGT to perform duties as a Crash Rescue SGT (Lead Firefighter/Crew Chief), certification to the Fire Inspector I level is also required.
(c) Minimum DoD certification skill level 3 required for award and retention Common Core (BNCOC Phase I), Fire Inspector I (BNCOC Phase 2), Fire Inspector II (BNCOC Phase 3), Fire Officer II (BNCOC Phase 4). An additional certification for SSG is HAZMAT Incident Commander.
(d) Minimum DoD certification at skill level 4 required for award and retention Fire Officer III (ANCOC Phase 2) and Fire Officer IV (ANCOC Phase 3). (Note: Prerequisites for attending ANCOC are completion of all BNCOC phases and in addition, completion of Fire Instructor II).
(12) In accordance with DoD 6055.06-M, must pass pre-employment medical and physical criteria contained in NFPA 1582, prior to attending formal training.
(13) Reclassification into MOS 21M is limited to non-promotable SGT and below.
(14) Due to Army Transformation, units that activate or transform into firefighting units may allow SSG’s to reclassify into the MOSC 21M1O by 30 September 2010. The SSG then has 2 years to finish 21M2O and 21M3O certifications in accordance with the proceeding paragraph b, subparagraphs (11)b and (11)c of this pamphlet.

ok thanks. I see how it works now. So if I had to reclass then i would be eligible to compete under the new MOS after the mandatory wait time. But since I volutarily reclassed, I am still competing under my current MOS until I am awarded the new MOS. Is that right? Ok, I have one more question. I reenlisted back on 31 December 2007. My school date is 15 May 2009, is it too soon to see if I can stay at my current duty station. If not can I contact the MOS manager now to see if I can stay at my current duty station. thanks in advance

That's correct.

It's actually too late to stay at your current duty station because in order to get tdy and return (that's what it's called), you'd need prior approval because your unit's strength management would have approve this and your unit's training (G-3 normally) would have to pay for training. This happens about 5% of the time and as you can see, it's very costly on a unit.

well i am now back in iraq, but i got some more information from my companies clerk. she said she was told that all that needed to be done for me to get a conditional promotion was do a 4187. they have me so confused right now. also my school date is 10 months out, so i was wondering why it would be to late to reqeust to stay at my current unit. thanks in advance.