I just got picked by my branch for a recruiter slot. I'm not really happy about that, since them submitting my packet for recruiter knocked me off an Italy assignment I was about to leave for. Anyway, don't you need a clearance to be a recruiter? I am not a US Citizen yet, so I don't think I can get a clearance. How would I go about getting out of this assignment, given that I can not meet the requirements for this school?

Thanks in advance

First off, I am not replying to this to get you out of Recruiting Duty. That being said, you still need to know the requirements to be a Recruiter. Don't assume that you are not qualified. The requirements can be found in AR 601-1. They are as follows:

2–4. Selection criteria
a. To qualify for selection as a U.S. Army recruiter, either as a volunteer or as a Department of the Army (DA) selected recruiter, a Soldier must—
(1) Be a United States citizen by birth or naturalization or a permanent resident alien.
(2) Be a high school graduate with diploma or have 30 semester hours of college with a high school General Education Development (GED) transcript. College Level Entrance Program (CLEP) and Department of the Army Non- Resident Testing Education System (DANTES) credits may apply to 30 semester hours of college. Military service credit does not apply (waiver authorized with deployment experience).
(3) Have a minimum general technical (GT) score of 110 (waiver authorized with GT score of 100 or GT score of 95 with a skilled technical (ST) score of 95).
(4) Be at least 21 years old, but not more than 35 years old at time of selection (waiver authorized to age 45 for promotable staff sergeants (SSGs) and sergeants first class (SFCs)).
(5) Be a corporal (CPL), sergeant (SGT), SSG, or SFC. (An SFC may not have more than 2 years time in grade at the time of selection.) CPL or SGT must be a Warrior Leader Course (WLC) graduate (waiver not authorized). Completion of Basic Noncommissioned Course (BNCOC) for SSG and Advanced Noncommissioned Officer’s Course
(ANCOC) for SFC is not a prerequisite for assignment to recruiting duty.
(6) At time of selection, have no less that 4 years time in service and no more than 10 years time in service if a
SGT, no more than 12 years time in service if a SSG, or no more than 14 years time in service if a SFC (waiver
authorized for CPL recruiters case by case).
(7) Have completed 1 year of service since reclassification per AR 614–200 (waiver not authorized).
(8) Not be currently assigned to a testing section in the Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) or previously assigned to a testing section within MEPCOM within the last 12 months prior to selection.
(9) Meet the screening table or body fat standards of AR 600–9 (waiver not authorized).
(10) Have a minimum physical profile of 132221. Soldiers possessing a 3 in Upper Extremities must have prior MOS/Medical Review Board (MMRB) clearance. Additionally, Soldiers may not have a shaving profile (waiver not authorized).
(11) Have a mental evaluation statement not older than 6 months verifying that the Soldier has no record of emotional or mental instability. This evaluation must be based on a personal interview and screening of health records by a qualified mental health care provider (waiver not authorized).
(12) Have no lost time during the current enlistment or in the past 3 years, whichever is longer (waiver not authorized).
(13) Possess a valid civilian driver’s license. Assignment as a recruiter involves an extensive amount of automobile driving. Individual must have no record of careless, reckless, or unsafe driving.
(14) Possess excellent military appearance and bearing and have no obvious distracting physical abnormalities or mannerisms. Tattoos must be in compliance with AR 670–1, paragraph 1–8e.
(15) Must not be in violation of AR 600–20 regarding participation in extremist organizations and activities (waiver not authorized).
(16) If married to another Soldier, have a spouse who will concurrently apply and be qualified for assignment within USAREC or disenroll from the Married Army Couples Program (MACP) to complete 3 years of recruiting duty. Enrollment in MACP after notification of recruiter duty does not constitute disqualification for recruiting duty. HRC will consider MACP on follow-on assignment (waiver not authorized).
(17) Not currently be nor have previously been enrolled in the past 12 months in a drug or alcohol dependency intervention program of any type (waiver not authorized).
(18) Not be pregnant at time of attendance at the ARC (waiver not authorized).
(19) Have completed the period of stabilization in the current assignment or have completed 2 years time on station (TOS) before departure for permanent change of station (PCS) movement (waiver authorized by USAHRC).
(20) Have favorable civilian and military disciplinary records. Have no unfavorable alcohol related incidents within the past 5 years upon selection. Examples of disqualifying conduct are conviction for a qualifying offense listed in AR 27–10, paragraph 24–2, and include registered sex offender, driving under the influence (DUI), driving while intoxicated (DWI), or charged with drunk and disorderly conduct (waiver not authorized).
(21) Not have been convicted by civilian court or court-martial (waiver authorized).
(22) Never been the subject of adjudication (including proceedings under the provisions of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 15 (UCMJ, Art. 15) or had adverse action taken by any authority for any offense that involves moral turpitude, regardless of sentence received or any offense under the UCMJ for which confinement of 2 years or more may be adjudged. (waiver not authorized). All Soldiers must be screened against the National Sex Offender Registry database by agency that currently conducts background screening on potential recruiters.
(23) Have no history of domestic violence or assault, or marital, emotional, or major medical problems (to include immediate family) that would hamper performance on recruiting duty. (waiver authorized). Recruiting duty involves assignment in geographic areas that are away from military medical facilities. Soldiers with family member(s) enrolled in the Exceptional Family Member Program (EFMP) may serve as recruiters. Every effort will be made to assign them near a military installation or in a civilian community where appropriate medical care for their family member is
available.
(24) Not be a sole parent or guardian.
(25) Not have more than two dependents (to include spouse) if a SGT, three dependents (to include spouse) if a SGT (Promotable) (P), four dependents (to include spouse) if a SSG, or five dependents (to include spouse) if a SFC (waiver authorized with strong documentation supporting good finances).
(26) Be financially stable, have not filed a petition claiming bankruptcy within the last 3 years, and not currently be responsible for making any payments as a result of any such action. Soldiers are strongly encouraged submit a DA Form 5425 (Applicant/Nominee Personal Financial Statement) to ensure their financial situation is considered in their assignment. In determining financial suitability, consideration will include income versus expenditures, savings and investment programs, and costs associated with being separated from military installations.
(27) If serving a dependent restricted tour at time of selection for recruiting duty, waive entitlement to the home base/advance assignment program and not have moved family on the advanced assignment instructions.
(28) Have at least 3 years time in service (TIS) remaining following the completion of the ARC. Enlisted Distribution and Assignment System (EDAS) instructions constitute authority for eligible Soldiers to extend or reenlist under AR 601–280 and must be completed prior to attending the ARC. Approval to delete or defer a Soldier from assignment instructions is reserved for the CDR, HRC (TAPC–EPM–A) (waiver not authorized).
(29) Not have a spouse or family member previously or currently involved in unfavorable incidents (for example, juvenile delinquency, shoplifting, truancy, and so on). Soldiers assigned to recruiting duty represent the Army in the community in which they live and work. The actions and activities of the recruiter and the recruiter’s family are often perceived as representative of the Army and the Army community (waiver authorized).
b. Soldiers receiving or eligible for a selective reenlistment bonus (SRB) may volunteer or be detailed for recruiting
duty. They may be detailed from all SRB zones and may reenlist and retain SRB entitlements while detailed to
USAREC. Detailed recruiters who are SRB recipients may request to reclassify to PMOS 79R in accordance with
current SRB policy established by HRC.
c. Soldiers who are former recruiters may apply for return to recruiting duty provided they volunteer and meet the
criteria above and provided they have not had their records permanently annotated under paragraph 5–12. Final
approval for these requests is the CG, USAREC. All former recruiters who are accepted, but who have been out of
USAREC for over 1 year will be required to successfully complete the ARC conducted at Fort Jackson, SC. Prior to
award of the MOS 79R, former recruiters must attend the Station Commander Course conducted at Fort Jackson, SC
(waiver not authorized). Personnel records will be checked against USAREC staff judge advocate, inspector general,
and Enlisted Standards Division files. Those Soldiers having serious findings will not be allowed to apply/return to
recruiting duties.
d. The CG, USAREC is the waiver approval authority for recruiter selection criteria.

not saying you're wrong, but, I dont think those standards are up to date.

I'm a CPL assigned to recruiting duty and havent been to WLC. The other CPL in our station hasnt either AND was 20 when he and I went to ARC together. He didnt turn 21 till after a few months out here. On top of that, his losing unit sent him to ARC with an APFT flag.

My two roommates, a SGT and SSG, havent been to WLC ( SGT) or BNCOC( SSG). The SGT isnt being given a slot because he doesnt plan on re-enlisting ( because of his experience with USAREC) and the SSG had his school date canceled a week before he was supposed to report because is he being relieved for ineffective production.

USAREC is ate up.

First, I can empathize with you. I've probably felt the same frustration in the case you are recruiting in California. However, if I post anything on this site, I make certain that it is up to date.

Just maybe, since you a Corporal, you may recall that the minimum age of 21 does not apply to you guys. Just a max age of 25. That should have been stated in the packet you turned in to be a Recruiter. If not, its on the Recruit the Recruiter website. As far as the WLC thing, I can only say that the war on terrorism has made the Army somewhat overlook requirements like this. Good Luck to you!

Does option 3 for reenlistment cover recruiter school as well? I am one of the few in the army actually trying to get in to recruiter school, but don't want to stay in unless I can get a couple years off the line. Any help would be great!

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Originally posted by Sgt j.brown:
Does option 3 for reenlistment cover recruiter school as well?

Yes, Option 3, Army Training Reenlistment Option covers recruiting and drill sergeant programs.

To be eligible for the program Soldiers must meet the following criteria:

(1) Must be in the reenlistment window and otherwise eligible to reenlist.
(2) Must be an Initial or Mid Career Soldier (Career Soldiers with Mid -Career Options are also eligible.
All Initial and Mid Career Soldier are eligible to receive ASI/SQI/LANG training through Option 3. Career Counselors must check
"yes" in the ASI/SQI/LANG block during option processing in RETAIN, select Option 3 and place the Soldier in a WAIT status.
(3) Must be a SGT or SSG (promotable SSGs are not eligible).
(4) Where regulations states a specific prerequisite is waiverable submit request with supporing documentation for waiver.

I was wondering what the chances are of getting your first or second choice of Recruiting BN that you submit as a volunteer. Thanks.

Hi, I was ondering if anyone knew the chances of being re-submitted to recruiter duty after appealing a background check disqualification. You see my husband was DA selected for recruiter duty for Nov. We are stationed in Germany and set to PCS the end of Oct (granted he is re-slotted for duty). He was told the appeal procedure and we are just waiting for a waiver from a BG (which I don't know who that would be for our unit). Everything was erased from his orders, i.e. recruiter school, report date. I am very concerned because if doesn't receive orders again before our set DEROS date, he might not get to do the schooling. Thus, he will end up stop-lossed and back downrange. Please help with any information, or optimism for us.