While in the public forums, please keep things civil. Users are not permitted to, among other things, post abusive, hateful, harassing information--about any person or entity
Oh, and when the Orderly Room repeatedly loses files, both hard copies & digital via e-mail.
Perhaps you might impress upon your command the importance of using the FCMP (my forms).
As for POV and housing inspections: The Army is quite interested in the combat readiness of it's units; therefore the readiness of it's Soldiers; therefore the safety, health and welfare of it's Soldiers. When I'm inspecting your vehicle it's because I can't afford to go to combat without you. If you wreck and die that's one less rifle, and it's a morale reducer for the rest of the organization. If your home is unsanitary, or unsafe, it affects your health, thereby affecting your training and readiness.
I know most of you aren't a problem, but I also don't know which ones are. PVT Snuffy might be a super star who always exceeds inspection standards up until the day that his girlfriend leaves him for another woman, he takes to drinking, and he just stops caring about his personal maintenance. The inspections help us correct that early on.
"I know my Soldiers"
How's this for burning biscuits: Soldiers who complain about policy without first understanding the purpose of it. It may be an inconvenience, but it is vital to our mission.
One word immediately comes to mind: micromanagement.
As Soldiers, we work in a variety of jobs and situations with our own tasks that need to be done. Some are simple and can be accomplished without problem. For example, a hole needs to be dug or some equipment needs to be moved. One or more Soldiers are given the task, they execute, and it's no longer an issue. Other tasks are more complex and need more time and effort to accomplish. Usually, this is when the first-line supervisor starts to get involved with how that job is being done.
I'm in public affairs, and I admit that sometimes I sit behind my desk answering e-mails, taking phone calls and writing articles for the newspaper. But by the same token, I'm also out getting stories and taking pictures of Soldiers in the field on ruck marches, at weapons ranges, coming out of Blackhawks, etc, and often I'm asked to do these stories on one or a few day's notice and have everything ready in the next 24-48 hours. It's a great job, but sometimes it's a lot to juggle at once.
It also cuts into my time at home with my family after hours and on the weekends. On top of that, my wife and elder son have medical issues and appointments that require me to be out of the office often to accomplish. So whether I'm in the office, in the field, or in town w/the family, my supervisor needs to be in the loop on me in case something comes up. Under my current leadership, everyone's been very understanding about our needs at home as long as it doesn't conflict w/my obligations at work (often I'll "pay back" the time I spend out of the office on the duty day w/a story over the weekend, so that's kind of a checks and balances for me).
At my last unit, however, that wasn't the case. Everything I and my Soldiers did had to be backed up by Outlook appointments, story rosters, inspections, and counseling statements. It was a never-ending paper trail of our daily business, to the point where we needed to be on call to work through lunch. On more than one occasion my supervisor defended that he didn't "have" to give us a lunch hour at all, and he could just give us MREs to ensure our needs were met. If I came back from an appointment w/out a note, he wanted to know why I had to be there at all. It was as if he saw us as schoolchildren rather than Soldiers.
Granted, I understand that there are "appointment Rangers" out there that take advantage of that time out of the office to slack off, and that as a new NCO, I need to be aware of that fact when I lead (not manage) my Soldiers. To me, there is a difference in a leader's intent to teach Soldiers proper time-management, and to outright control every aspect of their lives. To me, it's all about respect. My current sergeant respects me enough to trust that my family's needs are important and require my presence from time to time. In return, I respect him for giving me that courtesy. So I let him know where we'll be and when I'm expected to be back, we execute, then I return to give a brief of how it went and I volunteer for the next weekend assignment.
Sorry to post such a long spiel on that. I'm a Soldier and a writer, it's what I do.
I hate female NCO's that try to tell me I am out of uniform or not following AR 670-1 with a bit of hair hanging out after PT, when they have BRIGHT pink nail polish, fancy corn rows and very much so over weight!
JR.enlisted(and even SGTs) "popping smoke" as soon as the NCO leaves us to do our task. WTF guys!! And then I am left with just one other soldier...But they make DAMN sure to show up before they know our NCO gets back. Gerr...
Being in Iraq just coming off of 24hr. shift and while walking back to my hooch, getting stopped by some fat female MAJ on a bicycle trying to tell me, I am wearing my PT belt wrong. How little work do you have to not have before you start correcting (which isn't even their job, nor was the MAJ even in my unit) soldiers over a stupid PT belt??
Officers telling my wounded brothers to go shave when they aren't even in uniform and they are missing both legs. Get a life buddy.
When I try to walk on the left side of my NCO or officer and they keep lookin' at me like I'm nuts.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important then his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and and has no chance of being free unless made so and kept so by the exertions of better men then himself. John Stuart Mill
Posts: 599 | Location: Walter Reed Army Medical Center,DC | Registered: 05 September 2005
Originally posted by mpsoldier75: 1. People that complain about a soldier getting smoked. It's more effective than a 4856 on the first offence.
2. People that bitch constantly about having to deploy. Its a big sh!@ sandwich and everyone has to take a bit, suck it up.
3. Privates that say they can make more money in the civialian world. B.S. or you wouldn't have join the military in the first place. For the most part, if it wasn't for Army all they'd be qualified to do is flip burgers for minium wage.
4. Enlist bonuses disappearing just as before my re-up window opens.
5. Some peoples lack of common sense in the Army.
6. Grossly overweight soldiers being allowed to leave AIT and jion a unit.
1. People who don't understand why smoking a soldier can be bad and/or ineffective. bad because you can maybe injure a soldier, or its hot as all hell outside and you're smoking a soldier literally to death. and ineffective because some soldiers are just natural born PT studs and smoking them is just a little of their time taken away and they probably wont learn much from it.
2. People that are unreasonable about others complaining. Lets say my wife just had a child but now i'm on orders to iraq where i could possibly die/lose limbs etc. OF COURSE I'D COMPLAIN. Did i join the ARMY knowing such things would happen? Yes. Does it suck and is it a reasonable thing to complain about? Yes.
3. Knuckle heads that most likely joined the ARMY because they had nothing better in life going for them and thus think it must be the same for all people. MOST of my peers make more money than i do (i just turned 21), and MOST of them are "beating" me in life at the moment because they were smart and decided to do the whole college thing and getting a GOOD JOB instead of joining the ARMY and having your commander NOT sign papers for you to go to school (at least for me SIGH). Im almost out and i learned the ARMY isn't for intelligent people such as myself who wish to become something in life (ENLISTED side of the ARMY at least). Even if my commander let me take some college classes what would i do with that knowledge/power while staying in the ARMY? Not very much.
4. Agree.
5. Seems you're missing some yourself with your current "I'M A LIFER IN ARMY" attitude.
6. Maybe that overweight soldier has a medical problem? There is no weight/tape in AIT. If they can pass their PT test i dont see whats wrong with that.
AND THE BIG ONE!!!! WHAT REALLY BURNS MY BISCUITS...
7. People who think they're better than anybody else and if somebody is having problems with a certain area in something or just don't like what they're doing, they feel that these people shouldn't even be allowed to breathe. Seriously, stop being a hater and HELP SAID PEOPLE. Nobody is perfect and if you fall under this category you sure as hell aren't perfect. OKAY i suck at certain parts in PT, maybe help instead of criticize? I'm probably "better" (i dont like using that word when comparing myself to others) than you mentally but i'm not demoralizing you for it.
OH and i hate people that are older than I and still don't know how to spell common words. i guess that's why we're in the army (Just kiddingg)
Originally posted by realnonfictiondiction: [QUOTE] 1. People who don't understand why smoking a soldier can be bad and/or ineffective. bad because you can maybe injure a soldier, or its hot as all hell outside and you're smoking a soldier literally to death. and ineffective because some soldiers are just natural born PT studs and smoking them is just a little of their time taken away and they probably wont learn much from it.
With that logic, we should never do PT, because of a slight risk of injury. I think your attitude is what mpsoldier75 was talking about, and I agree with him.
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2. People that are unreasonable about others complaining. Lets say my wife just had a child but now i'm on orders to iraq where i could possibly die/lose limbs etc. OF COURSE I'D COMPLAIN. Did i join the ARMY knowing such things would happen? Yes. Does it suck and is it a reasonable thing to complain about? Yes.
He said bitch CONSTANTLY, which is different from saying once or twice that it sucks to leave your newborn. EVERYBODY is leaving their family.
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Im almost out and i learned the ARMY isn't for intelligent people such as myself who wish to become something in life (ENLISTED side of the ARMY at least). Even if my commander let me take some college classes what would i do with that knowledge/power while staying in the ARMY? Not very much.
That is a pretty ignornant statement, and speaks volumes about you.
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6. Maybe that overweight soldier has a medical problem? There is no weight/tape in AIT. If they can pass their PT test i dont see whats wrong with that.
I'd say about 80-90 percent of Soldiers who bust tape have no related medical problem, and are just overweight. That is who he is referring to. He is also referring to the leadership that allowed these Soldiers to leave not meeting the standard, and dumping the responsibility on the new leaders. When did they stop doing height/weight in AIT?
realnonfictiondiction, your attitude and responses are not very impressive, and were actually offensive to professional Soldiers,so too add to my list of things that burn my biscuits:
Soldiers like you.
Posts: 94 | Location: Ft Belvoir, VA | Registered: 25 August 2006
Originally posted by SGT Diesel: [QUOTE]Originally posted by realnonfictiondiction: [QUOTE] <excessive quoting>
Company PT =/= smoking a soldier. If getting smoked was the equivalent of company PT, trust me i'd be all for it. I dont know what your definition of "smoked" is, HOWEVER when i get what i think is "smoked" i feel 20 lbs heavier due to sweat. I think maybe, we just have a different definition of "smoked" because i would bet good money that if a soldier who was a trouble maker got into trouble a lot and got MY definition of smoke they'd probably hurt something sooner or later, or if their body can take the stress then they will just be PT studs. Not to mention i know for a fact our CSM doesn't like soldiers getting smoked, no matter how wrong he is for thinking that, it really doesn't matter what the rest of us think because the only thing that matters is the ARMY is rank, not the actual individual status of a person.
2. I'm pretty sure said person in my example would complain CONSTANTLY. Nobody just complains ONCE/a few times about something like that.
3. Why is it ignorant? Compared to what i could get in the civilian world, i just don't see how doing 20 years as an enlisted soldier would be better than using my degrees/knowledge to their full potential or hell, at least go officer. If you think ARMY life is for you, I'm sorry for my statement, but it is NOT for me and I know i could do better things in life and wouldn't be flipping burgers if i didn't join the army like he suggested. I'm hoping having ARMY background will make my resume look THAT much better however.
What i said may sound bitter, but i have my reasons.(think i made a post about it already, lol) I don't think my unit or anybody in it is even giving me a chance to show my full potential and its kind of insulting to me that my commander wont even let me further what matters most to me (my education) and that I am looked at like a bad soldier just because of my rank. It also amazes me how they RANDOMLY made me ARMORER (the job with no reward)when im wanting to at least know my job the best i can for when i get out i can go GS. I have 2nd highest GT score in battalion (i think i have 1st actually, and they just gave our battalion commander a ridiculously high score :P) and it just doesn't make sense that all i do is grunt work, I cant even get sent to board due to a flag and i KNOW i'd easily "Ace" them.
anyways as i said, the ARMY (enlisted at least) just isn't for people like myself i guess.
4. Nobody got height/weight in my AIT or any of my battles AITs that i know of. i went through in 2006.
The amount of caring I have fits in () regarding what you think about my attitude and responses. However, i would like to know why what i said was offensive to "professional" soldiers. (i'm not being a dick, i'm curious as to why what i said is offensive, while who the guy i responded to wasn't offensive at all)
you don't even know me, how can you describe "soldiers like you"
Honestly from what mpsoldier75 said, it sounds like he thinks he is flier than birds, but in reality he's chilling on the ground like a polar bear turd.
I cant be the only one who thinks that, can i?
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Speaking of 600-9 at AIT (which is done every month, at least it was at my AIT), I could NOT stand soldiers (mostly female) who would bitch, moan and complain and make excuses as to why they were overweight. The best one I heard was "Oh, well this is just where my body wants me to be. I can't get any lower than this." Mind you this girl was about 30 lbs overweight and stuffed her face every night with pizza, chinese etc.
Everyone had to meet the same standards coming into the Army. There's no excuse why at AIT you can't meet the same standards you had to meet less than a year before.
(I say all this when they are fully capable of meeting height/weight standards baring medical conditions or debilitating profile)
Posts: 96 | Location: Fort McPherson, GA | Registered: 26 August 2006
Cant really disagree with that, but what AIT did you go to where you got to eat chinese and pizza every night?
I dont know this person so i wont judge them on what may or may not be a problem :P.
I did have a room mate i worked out with who ate 1300 calories a day and ran on an elyptical at least an hour 5 days a week and he still didnt lose weight.. and he had no medical problems so who knows
Originally posted by realnonfictiondiction: [QUOTE] <excessive quoting> 1. People who don't understand why smoking a soldier can be bad and/or ineffective. bad because you can maybe injure a soldier, or its hot as all hell outside and you're smoking a soldier literally to death. and ineffective because some soldiers are just natural born PT studs and smoking them is just a little of their time taken away and they probably wont learn much from it.
With that logic, we should never do PT, because of a slight risk of injury. I think your attitude is what mpsoldier75 was talking about, and I agree with him.
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2. People that are unreasonable about others complaining. Lets say my wife just had a child but now i'm on orders to iraq where i could possibly die/lose limbs etc. OF COURSE I'D COMPLAIN. Did i join the ARMY knowing such things would happen? Yes. Does it suck and is it a reasonable thing to complain about? Yes.
He said bitch CONSTANTLY, which is different from saying once or twice that it sucks to leave your newborn. EVERYBODY is leaving their family.
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Im almost out and i learned the ARMY isn't for intelligent people such as myself who wish to become something in life (ENLISTED side of the ARMY at least). Even if my commander let me take some college classes what would i do with that knowledge/power while staying in the ARMY? Not very much.
That is a pretty ignornant statement, and speaks volumes about you.
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6. Maybe that overweight soldier has a medical problem? There is no weight/tape in AIT. If they can pass their PT test i dont see whats wrong with that.
I'd say about 80-90 percent of Soldiers who bust tape have no related medical problem, and are just overweight. That is who he is referring to. He is also referring to the leadership that allowed these Soldiers to leave not meeting the standard, and dumping the responsibility on the new leaders. When did they stop doing height/weight in AIT?
realnonfictiondiction, your attitude and responses are not very impressive, and were actually offensive to professional Soldiers,so too add to my list of things that burn my biscuits:
Soldiers like you.
Company PT =/= smoking a soldier. If getting smoked was the equivalent of company PT, trust me i'd be all for it. I dont know what your definition of "smoked" is, HOWEVER when i get what i think is "smoked" i feel 20 lbs heavier due to sweat. I think maybe, we just have a different definition of "smoked" because i would bet good money that if a soldier who was a trouble maker got into trouble a lot and got MY definition of smoke they'd probably hurt something sooner or later, or if their body can take the stress then they will just be PT studs. Not to mention i know for a fact our CSM doesn't like soldiers getting smoked, no matter how wrong he is for thinking that, it really doesn't matter what the rest of us think because the only thing that matters is the ARMY is rank, not the actual individual status of a person.
2. I'm pretty sure said person in my example would complain CONSTANTLY. Nobody just complains ONCE/a few times about something like that.
3. Why is it ignorant? Compared to what i could get in the civilian world, i just don't see how doing 20 years as an enlisted soldier would be better than using my degrees/knowledge to their full potential or hell, at least go officer. If you think ARMY life is for you, I'm sorry for my statement, but it is NOT for me and I know i could do better things in life and wouldn't be flipping burgers if i didn't join the army like he suggested. I'm hoping having ARMY background will make my resume look THAT much better however.
What i said may sound bitter, but i have my reasons.(think i made a post about it already, lol) I don't think my unit or anybody in it is even giving me a chance to show my full potential and its kind of insulting to me that my commander wont even let me further what matters most to me (my education) and that I am looked at like a bad soldier just because of my rank. It also amazes me how they RANDOMLY made me ARMORER (the job with no reward)when im wanting to at least know my job the best i can for when i get out i can go GS. I have 2nd highest GT score in battalion (i think i have 1st actually, and they just gave our battalion commander a ridiculously high score :P) and it just doesn't make sense that all i do is grunt work, I cant even get sent to board due to a flag and i KNOW i'd easily "Ace" them.
anyways as i said, the ARMY (enlisted at least) just isn't for people like myself i guess.
4. Nobody got height/weight in my AIT or any of my battles AITs that i know of. i went through in 2006.
The amount of caring I have fits in () regarding what you think about my attitude and responses. However, i would like to know why what i said was offensive to "professional" soldiers. (i'm not being a dick, i'm curious as to why what i said is offensive, while who the guy i responded to wasn't offensive at all)
you don't even know me, how can you describe "soldiers like you"
Honestly from what mpsoldier75 said, it sounds like he thinks he is flier than birds, but in reality he's chilling on the ground like a polar bear turd.
I cant be the only one who thinks that, can i?
1. So what if they just become a PT stud, that's for the better in any case. As for hurting themselves, if they didn't screw up in the first place then they wouldn't have to worry about it.
2. My husband has been deployed twice, we have 2 kids. Our second child we found I was pregnant about 2 months before he left, had our son 8 months into the deployment. Yes, it sucked, he said it sucked, but you know the consequences. Saying it sucked and everything is one thing, but constant bitching is when every other time you talk about deployment you are flat out whining. It's annoying and slightly ridiculous. You can't do anything about it so what good is it to whine all the time.
3. It's ignorant and offensive because you just said that my husband, who is enlisted, is stupid for making a career out of the Army. You get paid, you got health care, it's not the worst job in the world. It sucks to be separated a lot and all that but him enjoying his career doesn't make him any less intelligent than you or anyone else.
You sound like someone who is just pissed because you thought the Army would be easy and now you find it to be difficult, and possibly more than you can handle. You probably got the Armorer job because your leaders don't want to hear your whining anymore. You come off so high and mighty because you feel like you're smarter than all enlisted soldiers who are making a career of Army. (That and your oh so high GT score, I don't think the Army goes out giving away GT scores because of rank by the way Mr. Conspiracy Theorist.) Your blatant insults to MPSoldier75 and enlisted personnel in general just goes to show how close minded you are and your profound egotism. Good luck in your civilian career, just know that it isn't as easy as you think....
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Posts: 269 | Location: Fort Campbell, KY | Registered: 15 February 2008
you tell em, whiskey!!!lol Something else that burns my biscuits... people that CAN eat chinese and pizza every night and not gain weight!!! Geez I have a decent size frame on me, and to keep within the weight standards I have to eat like 1500- 1800 cal a day even though I smoke the crap out of myself in the morning. How bout you share some of that metabolism, hmmm? And people who write LOL.... wow I don't care if you are laughing out loud. LOL. Man my weekends have gotten boring lately.
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Posts: 14 | Location: Ft Hood | Registered: 29 August 2008
Hey Shakezula yeah I guess I'm one of those soldiers. While I'm deployed I weigh around 147 and while I'm home I weigh about 160 thanks to my wife's good cooking. So yeah everyone gives me a hard time bout being able to stay skinny with all the food I eat. They always warn me that my metabolism will stop one day. I laugh though cause it should be me giving them a hard time cause they try and eat as much as me and work out less then me and then comlain bout me being skinny. So yeah I don't know. It's all cool though maybe it will catch up to me. Oh an in reference to realnonfictiondiction, man the army is not for everyone. Some luv it, some don't. I don't really care for it but I can't complain for the past 6 years it has taken care of me. When I had trouble with alcohol they paid for my treatment. That stuff is not cheap especially for my psychologist. Those guys are not cheap and I'm seeing the dude's off post the civilians. Both of my boys were born cesarian, my wife basically lived in the hospital for both pregnancies. All paid for never saw a single dime. My oldest son has problems with breathing. He's enrolled in EFMP but that was just recently, but even then the army still paid for all his emergency room visits all the medications they gave him, his surgery at a civilian hospital, and the medication he is on is some new drug that cost 1500 dollars for a 2 week supply, the military hospital couldn't even get it had to go 3 hours away to go get it and they breathing treatment machine that cost 10000 dollars yeah all of it free. I'm telling you no other job unless your lucky as hell would just pay for all of this. I've been able to travel to 14 other states for free, some not by choice lol, and I've been to 4 different crountries, 2 of them especially the one I'm currently in I don't care for lol, but still all free. So I have no complaints I guess I have gripes with the people I have worked with. Just depends on the unit and the command on whether or not your going to like what you are doing. Not everyone agrees with things just the way it is. Well I guess I typed alot LOL just bored working the night shift.
Posts: 34 | Location: Ft Hood, Tx (Iraq for now) | Registered: 05 August 2008
Originally posted by whiskeywife: [QUOTE]Originally posted by realnonfictiondiction: [QUOTE]Originally posted by SGT Diesel: [QUOTE]Originally posted by realnonfictiondiction: [QUOTE] excessive quoting
I didnt mean to make it sound like all people who want to stay in the ARMY are idiots, i just think the ARMY restricts an individual from getting the most out of life. And after looking up on it staying in for 20 and getting out as enlisted doesn't really HELP you in any way whatsoever compared to say working at a post office for 20 years. Also as i said earlier my PEERS who have a full time job make more money than me, at 24 someone he is making 60k a year. My sister, who by the way works at Burger King, actually makes more than me.
The ARMY isn't hard by any stretch of the imagination, in fact it is much easier than i thought it would be before i joined. If the ARMY wasn't easy there wouldn't be so many people in it. This isn't even trying to sound "high and mighty", but i know of people who are INDEF that are dumb as a rock, so really HOW COULD this job be hard? I'm also still in... can't be that hard. The only HARD thing about the ARMY is finding sensible people in it.
Everybody is trying to get out of my unit, MAYBE i just have a horrible unit and that's why i hate the ARMY... or maybe most units are like mine... who knows.
I DO thank you thought for at least responding with a realistic argument.
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I have to agree with you that for SOME people the Army is their only option to live in the middle class category. The Army has been the easiest job I have ever had, minus womens softball umpire (which was the best job ever lol). But easy isn't always best. The Army has also been THE most UN-rewarding job I have ever had. The Army has made my resume look very appealing though (due to some imagination and overindulging).
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Posts: 193 | Location: Fort Hood | Registered: 10 December 2007
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