I am a former detailed recruiter who has been involunteerly sent back out for a three month period to my former recruiting battalion to help the recruiting effort. If you have thought about volunteering for this detail, there are some factors that you need to consider. Since I have come back out here, I have seen some unique situations that have arisen that you would normally not see in the operational army. For instance: The best recruiter in the station that I am working out of just got his annual NCOER. This NCOER consisted of 1 excellence block and a 1 over 2 in the senior rater portion. Now this is the best recruiter in the station. What does this tell you about the other recruiter's evals? The 1SG of this Company wrote the entire NCOER and based this upon the station's last month of production. Does this sound like career progression to you? Another thing; a recruiter from this station put in a pass to see his daughter this weekend (he has visitation with his ex) when the commander considered approving the pass, his words were "you didn't put anybody in the past month, why do you think you diserve to see your kid?". Sounds like a great commnand to work for right? Now I know that some of you (especially 79Rs) will disagree and make statements like it your experience in recruiting is what you make of it, but I did my time in recruiting and made it back to the operational force. I didn't sell my soul to make E-7 by converting. I made it the old fashioned way, in the MOS that I joined for. Anyone that says that recruiting duty is better than their original MOS is lying to theirselves and probably deserves to stay out here. Recruiting has the worst leadership that you will ever see in the Army. That is what happens when you bring a new E-5 out here who ends up staying out here and eventually makes E-7 and in a leadership role. NO LEADERSHIP experience whatsoever. For those who did not know, 79Rs have a 90% promotion rate to E-7. So anyone who converts is guaranteed to make SFC. Also, you work 6 days a week on a regular basis and nothing you do will ever be good enough for the command and after busting your ass for a whole 3 years, you will end up leaving here with an ARCOM if you are lucky. Sounds like recruiting and Drill are not in line.
BANG, I'm on detail now and that sounds very accurate. Obviously, everywhere is different and people do say it is what you make of it. I agree about the USAREC leadership. My biggest fear about coming out here was that I would not develop my leadership skills. I was right. Leading civilians is different from leading Soldiers. They tell you otherwise though. When I back to the Army I will have some catching up to do.
13 BANG BANG you are on point. Earlier this year I started a thread trying to get out of recruiter duty. Recruiting duty has the worst leadership ever. I completed the recruiter course a few months agoi and realized that 79s have no clue of how the REAL army works. I made at least 100 on the spot corrections during my first week on the instructors and the people assigned to the recruiter school. I saw everything from E-7s wearing purple contact lenses to one wearing so much make up she remined me of a circus clown. I have never seen so many chewed up people with so much rank. All of the 79s on these post insist that being a recruiter is supposed to be some sort of honorable thing. When I found that I had been DA selected I had many people tell me that I should be honored cause the Army thinks I am so great that they are making me a recruiter. Well I get to the school and it was very apparent that they will take anyone. From fat to borderline obese. You could show up there failing a PT test and fat but that does not matter you will make it through the course no matter what. I have now been recruiting for a few weeks and I keep a postive attitude at work but recruiting duty is so damn fake. No one gives a crap about anyone and everyone is out for themselves. The second I got there all anyone could tell me is how much they hate it and all they talk about is how they can not wait to finish their time even though my station always makes mission. And on a previous post on for ways to get out of recruiting SPC Diesel stated that those who try and get out of recruiting "don't want to be a leader" well SPC as far as I am concerned people who reclass to a perminent recruiter is for that very reason. Cause they don't want to be leaders. 90% or my class at the recruiter school had came back from a deployment was within the 12 months and all these sorry ass instructors could say is how great it is to be a recruiter cause you don't have to deply. Yet none of these instructors have a combat patch or ever been deployed so how the hell can they tell us that recruiter duty is better than a deployment.
karen5watkins, you have a point. I am in week 4 at the schoolhouse now. There are some really jacked up individuals here, but I'm not gonna crap on ALL of them. A select few of them seem to be good people and soldiers. I've been deployed, and I can tell you that deploying doesn't automatically make you a great soldier or leader. I'm also not looking forward to the next three years, but I'm gonna try my best.
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And on a previous post on for ways to get out of recruiting SPC Diesel stated that those who try and get out of recruiting "don't want to be a leader" well SPC as far as I am concerned people who reclass to a perminent recruiter is for that very reason. Cause they don't want to be leaders.
I was responding to an earlier post on that thread, and was defending AR's efforts on this site. That's all. I haven't been in as long as most, and I apologize to anyone who outranks me if they think I come of as disrespectful, but I know enough to recognize an unprofessional act, and I also have enough of a sense of duty to do my best at whatever level of suck I get assigned to.
And besides, if you're surrounded by chewed up Soldiers, that just make you stand out!
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I am not at all saying that being deployed makes you a "god" or even "great leader" I was just saying that while out at the recruiter school house and even here at my recruiting station all I keep hearing from the 79s is how messed up it is that we are NCOs and we are pathetic leaders for hating the fact that we got selected and all the "you signed up for the Army" blah blah blah......and yet they all seem to point out how great it is that for the next 3 years we will not have to deploy, thats the only thing they can say......yet they have the nerve to say that we are sh!t bags for not wanting to be recruiters or trying to get out of recruiter duty.....to me if you look at recruiter duty as a way of getting out of deployments then you are just as sorry and pathetic of a leader as the NCOs that you say are trying to get out of recruiter duty. The only thing I am thankful for is that like 13 BANG BANG I made my E-7 in my primary MOS cause all that crap about being a Recruiter helps advance you to the next rank is nothing more than an URBAN LEGEND.
Originally posted by karen5watkins: all I keep hearing from the 79s is how messed up it is that we are NCOs and we are pathetic leaders for hating the fact that we got selected and all the "you signed up for the Army" blah blah blah......and yet they all seem to point out how great it is that for the next 3 years we will not have to deploy, thats the only thing they can say......yet they have the nerve to say that we are sh!t bags for not wanting to be recruiters or trying to get out of recruiter duty.....
Differences between recruiting and operational Army.
When I first got out here, I was asked to travel up to the Company headquarters to talk with the 1SG and Commander. The 1SG took me outside to a picnic table. I proceded to put on my beret once we left the building, the 1SG said you don't have to put on your headgear, but can if you want. He did not put on his headgear. My question is; in what army don't you wear headgear outdoors? Chewed up is all I can say. I played the part of a soldier who was being addressed by a Senior NCO and went to parade rest and answered his questions. He proceded to tell me the negatives about every recruiter in the station that I was assigned to. So, I did what any soldier would do, I listened and once I returned to the Recruiting Station, I made my rounds to each recruiter and informed them of what their 1SG had told me about each of them. How professional that a 1SG would talk sh!t about soldiers in his unit (all which are NCOs some E-7s) and think that I have loyalty to his disrespectful comments. I don't work for this guy. Anything that I would say behind another NCOs back, I would say to their face. Not to mention that this 1SG is extremely overweight and just made the last MSG list. How could this happen, well recruiters look out for their own and hook each other up on their evals; STANDARD DATA.
Another thing: If I have to hear another story from one of these 79Rs on how they made their rank in their primary MOS and converted due to some tragedy (ie...got hurt, tired of deploying even though they never really deployed to anywhere that there was fighting going on), I will shoot myself (kidding of course). It seems that once you convert, it is mandatory to make up a story and rehearse this story over and over again until you begin to beleive your own bullsh!t.
Don't beleive me: just ask any 79R why they converted. I am sure that they have an extravegent story of justification.
Also, if you have never been on recruiting duty, then you have no place to talk. Only those who have been on this duty have a stake on this thread. Those who spout off comments like: I do what I am told and I would never try to get out of a duty for which the Army chose for me need a reality check. The Army if forced to fill the recruiting need with whatever soldiers are available and have laxed the standards tremendously. When I went throught the Recruiting Course in 2004, I was told that only the top 10% of NCOs are picked for this duty. Now, it is whoever is available. Don't get me wrong there are excellent NCOs who are detailed for this duty. Some will thrive in this duty, but it truly is luck of the draw. You could get stuck in some rural area where you may have to travel an hour and a half to conduct an appointment one way. Or you may be placed in a major city where people walk through the doors to sign up and may rarely have to leave the office to make your mission. Ultimately, this duty can either make or break your career.
Just my two cents......let the beat down commence AR
Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: On another note:
Differences between recruiting and operational Army.
When I first got out here, I was asked to travel up to the Company headquarters to talk with the 1SG and Commander. The 1SG took me outside to a picnic table. I proceded to put on my beret once we left the building, the 1SG said you don't have to put on your headgear, but can if you want. He did not put on his headgear. My question is; in what army don't you wear headgear outdoors? Chewed up is all I can say. I played the part of a soldier who was being addressed by a Senior NCO and went to parade rest and answered his questions. He proceded to tell me the negatives about every recruiter in the station that I was assigned to. So, I did what any soldier would do, I listened and once I returned to the Recruiting Station, I made my rounds to each recruiter and informed them of what their 1SG had told me about each of them. How professional that a 1SG would talk sh!t about soldiers in his unit (all which are NCOs some E-7s) and think that I have loyalty to his disrespectful comments. I don't work for this guy. Anything that I would say behind another NCOs back, I would say to their face. Not to mention that this 1SG is extremely overweight and just made the last MSG list. How could this happen, well recruiters look out for their own and hook each other up on their evals; STANDARD DATA.
Another thing: If I have to hear another story from one of these 79Rs on how they made their rank in their primary MOS and converted due to some tragedy (ie...got hurt, tired of deploying even though they never really deployed to anywhere that there was fighting going on), I will shoot myself (kidding of course). It seems that once you convert, it is mandatory to make up a story and rehearse this story over and over again until you begin to beleive your own bullsh!t.
Don't beleive me: just ask any 79R why they converted. I am sure that they have an extravegent story of justification.
Also, if you have never been on recruiting duty, then you have no place to talk. Only those who have been on this duty have a stake on this thread. Those who spout off comments like: I do what I am told and I would never try to get out of a duty for which the Army chose for me need a reality check. The Army if forced to fill the recruiting need with whatever soldiers are available and have laxed the standards tremendously. When I went throught the Recruiting Course in 2004, I was told that only the top 10% of NCOs are picked for this duty. Now, it is whoever is available. Don't get me wrong there are excellent NCOs who are detailed for this duty. Some will thrive in this duty, but it truly is luck of the draw. You could get stuck in some rural area where you may have to travel an hour and a half to conduct an appointment one way. Or you may be placed in a major city where people walk through the doors to sign up and may rarely have to leave the office to make your mission. Ultimately, this duty can either make or break your career.
Just my two cents......let the beat down commence AR
I'm not saying what your 1SG is correct, but there are plenty of places even just here on Ft. Huachuca that are no headgear. The outside of the SCIF is no headgear, some of the smoking areas are no headgear, etc.
Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: On another note:
Differences between recruiting and operational Army.
When I first got out here, I was asked to travel up to the Company headquarters to talk with the 1SG and Commander. The 1SG took me outside to a picnic table. I proceded to put on my beret once we left the building, the 1SG said you don't have to put on your headgear, but can if you want. He did not put on his headgear. My question is; in what army don't you wear headgear outdoors? Chewed up is all I can say. I played the part of a soldier who was being addressed by a Senior NCO and went to parade rest and answered his questions. He proceded to tell me the negatives about every recruiter in the station that I was assigned to. So, I did what any soldier would do, I listened and once I returned to the Recruiting Station, I made my rounds to each recruiter and informed them of what their 1SG had told me about each of them. How professional that a 1SG would talk sh!t about soldiers in his unit (all which are NCOs some E-7s) and think that I have loyalty to his disrespectful comments. I don't work for this guy. Anything that I would say behind another NCOs back, I would say to their face. Not to mention that this 1SG is extremely overweight and just made the last MSG list. How could this happen, well recruiters look out for their own and hook each other up on their evals; STANDARD DATA.
Another thing: If I have to hear another story from one of these 79Rs on how they made their rank in their primary MOS and converted due to some tragedy (ie...got hurt, tired of deploying even though they never really deployed to anywhere that there was fighting going on), I will shoot myself (kidding of course). It seems that once you convert, it is mandatory to make up a story and rehearse this story over and over again until you begin to beleive your own bullsh!t.
Don't beleive me: just ask any 79R why they converted. I am sure that they have an extravegent story of justification.
Also, if you have never been on recruiting duty, then you have no place to talk. Only those who have been on this duty have a stake on this thread. Those who spout off comments like: I do what I am told and I would never try to get out of a duty for which the Army chose for me need a reality check. The Army if forced to fill the recruiting need with whatever soldiers are available and have laxed the standards tremendously. When I went throught the Recruiting Course in 2004, I was told that only the top 10% of NCOs are picked for this duty. Now, it is whoever is available. Don't get me wrong there are excellent NCOs who are detailed for this duty. Some will thrive in this duty, but it truly is luck of the draw. You could get stuck in some rural area where you may have to travel an hour and a half to conduct an appointment one way. Or you may be placed in a major city where people walk through the doors to sign up and may rarely have to leave the office to make your mission. Ultimately, this duty can either make or break your career.
Just my two cents......let the beat down commence AR
I'm not saying what your 1SG is correct, but there are plenty of places even just here on Ft. Huachuca that are no headgear. The outside of the SCIF is no headgear, some of the smoking areas are no headgear, etc.
Not the case here. This guy is just chewed up from the floor up.
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