Here are a few ways that I have witnessed NCOs getting out of recruiting duty.

1. Don't show up for the recruiting course. You do not get a 1059 for this course and as long as you CSM is on board with you not reporting, no harm no foul.

2. Get a sexist tattoo (ie...naked girl on forearm) prior to attending the course. You can always get this tattoo covered up upon returning to your duty station.

3. Self refer yourself to ASAP for alcohol abuse prior to reporting to the recruiter course. Yeah I know the meetings will suck but hey you get out of recruiting.

These are the only ways in which I have seen a soldier get out of recruiting duty. Believe me, this duty will give you no benefit. If you are married, you will rarely see your wife or kids. You might be a stellar soldier in your unit now, but out there you will be substandard and your NCOERs will reflect this. This duty will in no way help you progress through the ranks. It will only hurt your career.

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
1. Don't show up for the recruiting course. You do not get a 1059 for this course and as long as you CSM is on board with you not reporting, no harm no foul.

This is the STUPIDEST advice I've ever heard!

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
2. Get a sexist tattoo (ie...naked girl on forearm) prior to attending the course. You can always get this tattoo covered up upon returning to your duty station.

Wow, it gets better ...

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
3. Get an article 15 prior to reporting to the recruiting course. This is not advisable but a desperate soldier will make desperate choices.

If it's not "adviseable", then why did you type it? I hope you don't have Soldiers.

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
4. Self refer yourself to ASAP for alcohol abuse prior to reporting to the recruiter course. Yeah I know the meetings will suck but hey you get out of recruiting.

You are a real idiot with these "way". Are you even a Soldier?

First off, I did my time in recruiting honorably. This post was intended to help those in desparatly wanting to get out of this duty. And as far as my promotable status, I got that based off of merit in my MOS not due to recruiting duty. If anything, recruiting slowed down my promotion rate. It took me five years time in grade to attain promotable status. You don't have to agree with the above post, but these methods (although extreme) are the only ways out of this duty. And yes I do have soldiers unlike you in your duty position (79S).

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you....are....RIDICULOS....

Well I hope for their sake they dont listen to you and they do the right thing.

There should be a forum policy against advising Soldiers to do the wrong thing, what kind of NCO gives advice like this???

I mean ok yes I guess that would get you out..but also get you in trouble...how can you give such and advice online?? There can be Soldiers here that could take that advice and flush their career down the toilet b/c they listend to this excuse for a leader.

This is meant as a last resort. In no way would I give one of my troops these ideas as a course of action. This being said, there are soldiers out there who would not mind another option. These are the only options. Recruiting is the mafia and if you come down on orders, chances are you will have to attend and do out your time. For those who think that I go around giving this advice to my troops you obviously do not know me. When one of my soldiers gets on orders for recruiting, the only advice I give them is GOOD LUCK! I did my time and survived with rank intact. This post was in response to a previous post on the subject for which I started a new thread. Think what you want of me because you truly do not know me. But everything that I put here are factual ways of getting out of this duty. We soldiers are not sheep and are capable of making our own choices in our careers.

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
In no way would I give one of my troops these ideas as a course of action.

You just gave 1000s of troops these courses of action ... don't you understand the power of the internet (and this community)?

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
For those who think that I go around giving this advice to my troops you obviously do not know me.

Um, HELLO, you joined this community TODAY!

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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG:
Think what you want of me because you truly do not know me.

So this is how you defend your idiotic rant and sensless "courses of action"? Why not post the appropriate UCMJ Articles that Soldiers would be in violation of for each of your "courses of action"?

Why did you post this information? Are you just a disgruntled former recruiter trying to smear USAREC? Since you're a SSG(P), it must not have been THAT bad for you out there.

I can only wonder when the "How to get out of deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan" thread will rear it's ugly mug. If it does, I have two options....

1. Don't join the Army
2. Don't join the Army

I hope this can clear up anyone who fears deployment.

These soldiers can make their own decisions. Knowledge is the key to making informed decisions and what I did here is spread knowledge. Recruiting already has a negative stigma. Until the wrongs that are inherent in recruiting are brought to light, change will never happen. Maybe if USAREC understood that very few detailed recruiters return to their MOSs promoting recruiting as a career multiplier, then they would fix the problems within their command. Recruiting is like how the army was back in the 1980s. It needs to get with the times. Most NCOs will follow their orders and show up to recruiting school ready for a challenge. Some NCOs want to get out of the Army but do not want to sign a Dec statement which would shut the door on their rejoining the army at a later date. These (except for the Article 15) would help them to achieve their goal. I am not a disgruntled recruiter, I was fairly successfull while on recruiting duty. These are choices that NCOs can choose to execute or not. Besides, if an NCO chooses to take these actions, then he/ she probably shouldn't be a recruiter.

A R

In response to your thread. Tell me what UCMJ articles besides the get UCMJ action these ways fall under. ASAP doesn't fall under UCMJ if you self refer yourself. The tattoo does not fall under UCMJ if the soldier gets it covered prior to returning to their home station where the UCMJ authority exists, and not showing up would not fall under any UCMJ if that soldier's CSM backed the soldier. Get your facts straight before you post.

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Maybe people wouldn't argue if they werent 79S which means they already got sucked into the horrible ways of the 79 series job, simply so they dont want to be real leader.

Recruiting is something that every NCO fears whenever they open there email. If you choose to take this advice, guess what you are a NCO so it is your choice. 13 BANG BANG wasnt trying to make them do this.. he is just trying to help.

WOW!!! It's been a while since I've been here and I see its gotten intense! I cannot dog BANG BANG though. I'm a recruiter now and it sucks. It's cutthroat. Even your fellow NCO's will screw you over. It is an extreme environment and you just want to get out bad. As far as the advice goes, I think we all know what "stupid" is. Ultimately, it is up to the individual to make that decision. The stress can make people consider going to the extreme, especially during this time of war. Some NCO's did recruiting before the war, when there was no "crunch". It is different now. Everything you've learned and all your experience counts for very little or nothing at all in this game. If you cannot recruit then its like being a private instead of an NCO. The only thing that matters here is their numbers. So it's understandable to me how people can want to go to extremes to get out of recruiting, even if they suffer a setback in there career. I think that's why it has become so difficult to get out.

I love these guys who REGISTERED TODAY and have the nerve to insult AR.

Don't want to be a real leader??? If you spent any time on this forum, you would see how many Soldiers AR and the other moderators help with sound and professional advice.

13 Bang Bang, you may say you would never tell your Soldiers to illegaly duck out of a duty, but you obviously do not understand the severity of a posting like this on this forum. It is careless and unprofessional. You can't talk about leadership in the same breath with an irresponsible "these Soldiers can make their own decisions."

SPC Diesel

I did not know that I needed to be a member for more than a day to defend my comments. Is that in a Reg or something? Anyways, if you read the entire post, it was AR who struck first with his comments. He obviously took offense to me giving an out to those detailed recruiters out there who would rather not serve in this duty. By the way, Specialist, don't ever talk to me about leadership because I have boots that have been in the Army longer than you. Us combat arms soldiers will never be understood by the combat service support soldiers out there who would truly benefit from a recruiting tour. This duty does nothing in the long run for a combat arms soldier. By illegal explain how? Nothing I put in this post could land you in jail besides the article 15 which I will delete due to it being retarded.

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Specialist, don't ever talk to me about leadership because I have boots that have been in the Army longer than you.

Yea and that doesn't hold a bit of water since we are on the Internet.

How about post something like "If you don't want to do recruiting sign a DEC Statement." It would be more along the lines of what you are saying that "these Soldiers can make their own decisions." Last time I checked that If you are assigned to a School that produces an ASI or SQI the command there does have the right to recommend UCMJ. I have seen it done.
Plus it depends on the CSM to back the NCO not to show for a DA Directed School? Every CSM that I know (Combat Arms & Combat Service Support) would kick that NCO's A** if they missed movement.

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Maybe people wouldn't argue if they werent 79S which means they already got sucked into the horrible ways of the 79 series job, simply so they dont want to be real leader.

Welcome to the community, walterwitty ... thanks for the comments about not wanting to be a "real leader". So, what is a "real leader" anyway?