Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: Maybe if USAREC understood that very few detailed recruiters return to their MOSs promoting recruiting as a career multiplier, then they would fix the problems within their command.
What statistics do you have to back this statement up?
Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: By the way, Specialist, don't ever talk to me about leadership because I have boots that have been in the Army longer than you. Us combat arms soldiers will never be understood by the combat service support soldiers out there who would truly benefit from a recruiting tour.
The old boots comment was pretty tacky ...
Since you're combat arms, have you ever deployed? Or have you been "hiding out" in recruiting?
This is officially the biggest bunch of B.S. I have ever seen on these boards!!!!
13BangBang, I am sorry you are an Artillery guy, as I am as well. I sure would not want a leader like you in my formation of troops. A leader telling soldiers and other NCOs that if you do not like something, this is how you get out of it.
I have never been a recruiter, but many of my subordinates leaders have. It is funny to think that a combat arms soldier gets nothing out of a tour or recruiting duty. Many of these NCOs have the ability to interact and talk with people which is a big part of my our job as leaders. If you cannot be an effective communicator, you probably have the wrong job.
I would take a guess and say you would be the NCO among our ranks to cry when something does not go your way, or pass the blame on somebody else. Like I said, just a guess.
As for spending 5 years in grade before being recommended for promotion, I would not blame that on recruiting duty alone. Like I said, it is easy to pass the blame. Maybe your Station Commander, First Sergeant and Command Sergeant Major saw something to warrant that!!!!!!!!
1. Procrastination is like a disease.
Posts: 163 | Location: Iraq, where else would I be? | Registered: 12 January 2004
This is officially the biggest bunch of B.S. I have ever seen on these boards!!!! Yes Top Dog, it is..
This is precisely the type of infection that spreads like a virus and gives the already undisciplined and out of control newbies fuel to continue as failures in the military...way to add another avenue to dodge responsibility and demean the Army values...
Originally posted by walterwitty: Maybe people wouldn't argue if they werent 79S which means they already got sucked into the horrible ways of the 79 series job, simply so they dont want to be real leader.
Recruiting is something that every NCO fears whenever they open there email. If you choose to take this advice, guess what you are a NCO so it is your choice. 13 BANG BANG wasnt trying to make them do this.. he is just trying to help.
what did you do 13 bang bang, open a new account to get "someone" to be on your side haha thats pathetic...that was your first post and this person's first post...come one....
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Posts: 1196 | Location: Somewhere in the US | Registered: 13 September 2007
You guys are pathetic. To think that I give advice like this on all areas or issues. This post was intended for those facing Recruiting Duty. You don't have to go far in any unit to find a former recruiter that will give you the same run down on how recruiting duty is. Just look at other posts about recruiting amongst these boards. You all as leaders would give a soldier an alternative course of action if the original was going to effect that soldiers family, financial, or other extreme circumstances regardless of what was being asked of them short of deploying; wouldn't you? You act like soldiers come to these boards to get all the answers to their problems. If you NCOs were doing your jobs, than soldiers would come to you first with their problems. And you could give them sound advice. I think some of you have forgotten that the majority of soldiers can think for themselves and are capable of making their own decisions which can effect their career paths. This will be the last posting amongst these boards for me. It seems that the 79 series mafia will contradict anything that is against the 79 series grain. Why did you change your MOS to 79S. Couldn't handle it in the real Army? For those who did not know a 79S is not a job that you can come in the Army for. You need a recruiting background (the majority of the time) and have to convert over to this field. They have no soldiers to counsel and lead. They cannot even attend the Sergeant Audie Murphy board at most posts due to not having any soldiers. But, they can run a website to influence others to believe their beliefs. Some soldiers are sooooo sheepish. This is amazing.
Originally posted by walterwitty: Maybe people wouldn't argue if they werent 79S which means they already got sucked into the horrible ways of the 79 series job, simply so they dont want to be real leader.
Recruiting is something that every NCO fears whenever they open there email. If you choose to take this advice, guess what you are a NCO so it is your choice. 13 BANG BANG wasnt trying to make them do this.. he is just trying to help.
what did you do 13 bang bang, open a new account to get "someone" to be on your side haha thats pathetic...that was your first post and this person's first post...come one....
No, that is one of the recruiters that is in the station which I have been sent involunatarily TDY for 90 days to help out. You know, I truly could care less if a soldier does recruiting or not. I have been out of recruiting for a couple of years, but since being sent TDY back out here, I can truly say that this command is broke. These soldiers (some who have been to Iraq 2-3 times) would rather be back in the desert than endure this duty. It is not so much the duty itself but more like the command environment. They work 6-7 days a week on average and when report card time comes, are getting below average rating for a detailed duty.
So I think I am safe to say recruiter and drill are two jobs that some people do not want. I will be one of them, however MY leaders never talked me out of Drill duty, I am still awaiting my orders but not once did they tell me how to get out of it. Of course I knew how to do it but my leaders sat me down so to speak and told me the out come from going drill. I am happy being a little Buck Sergeant even though I'm at almost 2 years in grade but knowledge is everything and sadly I have a running bet with my leaders that I will make SFC before some of them. So be it if I do. I am a young Soldier in the Army that has had one heck of a time fighting for what is right and to be treated fairly. I would never expect a leader to get on here and suggest that a Soldier ruin their career and yes it would ruin any career to do the things that you mentioned.
Someone might not like what they are told to do in the Army, heck name one person that does 100% but lord give me one reason to come on here and give advice like this. You have soo many young Soldiers and of course lets not forget those that are not in the Army yet on here. Give positive information, I know several people that liked recruiting duty!! They talk highly about it all the time.
Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: It seems that the 79 series mafia will contradict anything that is against the 79 series grain.
There is no "79 series mafia"; Recruiters (79R) and Career Counselor (79S) have completely different jobs. We do nothing togteher.
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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: Why did you change your MOS to 79S.
I wanted to create an outlet to provide the career advice and counsel to as many Soldiers as possible. I didn't even know what a Career Counselor was until I saw one walking around and ask what badge he was wearing. I never had a Career Counselor sit down and provide necessary career advice.
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Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: Couldn't handle it in the real Army? For those who did not know a 79S is not a job that you can come in the Army for. You need a recruiting background (the majority of the time) and have to convert over to this field. They have no soldiers to counsel and lead. They cannot even attend the Sergeant Audie Murphy board at most posts due to not having any soldiers.
So you give very poor advice to Soldiers and to defend yourself, you think you can put down my profession? You are SO misinformed, I feel sorry for you and the Soldiers you lead.
You are correct in the fact that 79S is not an entry level MOS. How can a new Soldier provide career advice when they don't have a career yet? Your statement was a very poor attempt at disgracing 79S. 79S is an application ONLY MOS that has a vigorous and detailed selection process. Not just anyone can be a Career Counselor.
No Soldiers to counsel and lead? Again, I feel sorry for you about just how ignorant you are. Career Counselor counsel Soldiers everyday (either tradinal face-to-face or over the internet). We are actually inspected on our mandatory counselings. Oh and Career Counselors deploy wth their units; some even go on patrols to talk to their Soldiers. Have you ever deployed, 13 BANG BANG?
We have many Career Counselors that are inducted into their unit's SAMCs while working as Career Counselors. If a specific unit doesn't allow it, it's because the Career Counselor has not intention of competing and therefore doesn't push the issue. 79S can be unducted because we have more influence of your Soldiers that you believe.
Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: Here are a few ways that I have witnessed NCOs getting out of recruiting duty.
1. Don't show up for the recruiting course. You do not get a 1059 for this course and as long as you CSM is on board with you not reporting, no harm no foul.
2. Get a sexist tattoo (ie...naked girl on forearm) prior to attending the course. You can always get this tattoo covered up upon returning to your duty station.
3. Self refer yourself to ASAP for alcohol abuse prior to reporting to the recruiter course. Yeah I know the meetings will suck but hey you get out of recruiting.
Here's some ways to get out of being a 13 series recruiter:
1. Score higher than 90 for your GT 2. Differentiate between TARGET as being your objective to destroy, not a place to buy your shampoo. 3. Ability to make sure your left boot is on your left foot, right boot on right foot in less than 90 seconds.
Stick to these and you should be fine. I just don't want to see soldiers get UCMJ.
Posts: 102 | Location: Iraq | Registered: 27 May 2007
I love how if someone doesnt agree with army brainwashing that they get put down and the people on here assume that they are the worst possible leader in the army. Thats the pathetic part about this whole site, that people like AR can sometimes give out complete army BS answers and degrade other people for saying something different.
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