AR does not give BS answers. All I have ever seen is knowledge and truth. As for degrading people on here, 13 Bang Bang gets on here and tells Soldiers how to ruin their careers and basically give them a sure fire way to get punished by UCMJ!! DO this and lose your rank... Here is how to do it in the fast lane.
Not everyone is happy with what the Army makes them do but lets get real some people make the best out of it and others just see the negative side and that's it. I am not happy about what the Army has shown me in the little 4 years I have been in but I look at the bigger picture and look at what I am being made to do as a way to make a change in the Army so the things done to me are not done to another Soldier.
If 13 Bang Bang sees flaws then by all means if he is on the SFC list, I am sure with a little input and getting other recruiters together if the all have the same opinion maybe over a little time recruiting could be changed to fit the picky Soldiers and NCO's that I am finding are in the Army these days.
Originally posted by PvPness: Thats the pathetic part about this whole site, that people like AR can sometimes give out complete army BS answers and degrade other people for saying something different.
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing this time ... 13 BANG BANG was giving out information that would ultimately ruin a Soldier's career. He could have easily told a personal story about how bad recruiting duty was and that would have been fine; it's a personal story.
You're not going to come in this community and provide harmful information that may be used by our junior Soldiers. If this is the kind of information you'd like to provide, create your own site.
Originally posted by ArmyReenlistmet: So you give very poor advice to Soldiers and to defend yourself, you think you can put down my profession? You are SO misinformed, I feel sorry for you and the Soldiers you lead.
You are correct in the fact that 79S is not an entry level MOS. How can a new Soldier provide career advice when they don't have a career yet? Your statement was a very poor attempt at disgracing 79S. 79S is an application ONLY MOS that has a vigorous and detailed selection process. Not just anyone can be a Career Counselor.
No Soldiers to counsel and lead? Again, I feel sorry for you about just how ignorant you are. Career Counselor counsel Soldiers everyday (either tradinal face-to-face or over the internet). We are actually inspected on our mandatory counselings. Oh and Career Counselors deploy wth their units; some even go on patrols to talk to their Soldiers. Have you ever deployed, 13 BANG BANG?
We have many Career Counselors that are inducted into their unit's SAMCs while working as Career Counselors. If a specific unit doesn't allow it, it's because the Career Counselor has not intention of competing and therefore doesn't push the issue. 79S can be unducted because we have more influence of your Soldiers that you believe.
AR, you are right on! My previous assignment was as a 1SG in an HHC, and the only person who spend more time in the HQ than I did on the weekend was our Career Counselor. He is one of the most professional NCOs I have ever met, and his mission is truly to inform the soldiers and leaders, as well as to educate them. I have never had a concern, where he did not assist me. Our Counselor truly feels that every soldier in the unit is his, and his mentorship goes well beyond his duties as a counselor.
Given the structure of our Brigade, he also finds himself working for other commands as well, because they do not have the luxury of having a 79S. He does this out of pride, not by being tasked or ordered.
In short, I commend you all for your dedication to our Army, and assisting other leaders as well!
Originally posted by Sarge07: [QUOTE]Originally posted by 13 BANG BANG: Here are a few ways that I have witnessed NCOs getting out of recruiting duty.
1. Don't show up for the recruiting course. You do not get a 1059 for this course and as long as you CSM is on board with you not reporting, no harm no foul.
2. Get a sexist tattoo (ie...naked girl on forearm) prior to attending the course. You can always get this tattoo covered up upon returning to your duty station.
3. Self refer yourself to ASAP for alcohol abuse prior to reporting to the recruiter course. Yeah I know the meetings will suck but hey you get out of recruiting.
Here's some ways to get out of being a 13 series recruiter:
1. Score higher than 90 for your GT 2. Differentiate between TARGET as being your objective to destroy, not a place to buy your shampoo. 3. Ability to make sure your left boot is on your left foot, right boot on right foot in less than 90 seconds.
O.K. I am in CMF 13, and even I found these funny!
1. Procrastination is like a disease.
Posts: 163 | Location: Iraq, where else would I be? | Registered: 12 January 2004
Originally posted by PvPness: I love how if someone doesnt agree with army brainwashing that they get put down and the people on here assume that they are the worst possible leader in the army. Thats the pathetic part about this whole site, that people like AR can sometimes give out complete army BS answers and degrade other people for saying something different.
Private Parts, if you would read, you would know that darn near everytime a question is asked, AR almost always provides an Army Regulation to back up his post. You cannot go wrong with quoting the reg... AR also does this to assist others, because the regulations are freely available to all, and not just himself.
Also, if you were that brainwashed, you should get out of the Army. I love your user name, as it truly shows what a professional you are! Oh, maybe your were just put down and brainwashed with the idea of using that name. I will just call you "Genitals" from here on out.
1. Procrastination is like a disease.
Posts: 163 | Location: Iraq, where else would I be? | Registered: 12 January 2004
Originally posted by PvPness: I love how if someone doesnt agree with army brainwashing that they get put down and the people on here assume that they are the worst possible leader in the army. Thats the pathetic part about this whole site, that people like AR can sometimes give out complete army BS answers and degrade other people for saying something different.
Private Parts, if you would read, you would know that darn near everytime a question is asked, AR almost always provides an Army Regulation to back up his post. You cannot go wrong with quoting the reg... AR also does this to assist others, because the regulations are freely available to all, and not just himself.
Also, if you were that brainwashed, you should get out of the Army. I love your user name, as it truly shows what a professional you are! Oh, maybe your were just put down and brainwashed with the idea of using that name. I will just call you "Genitals" from here on out.
Hey now no need for a comment like that PvPness. Not everyone is aware of the 100's of computer games out there and their abbreviations (sp). Not only that Top Dog is a Senior NCO, with your comment and being new to the forum that is not a good foot to step off with.
O.K. I am in CMF 13, and even I found these funny!
Truth be told Top, with all the bashing we do from one MOS to another, (Supply vs Motor pool, Grunt vs JAG, Aviation vs Armor,etc) it's good for ppl to still have a sense of humor about it.
Posts: 102 | Location: Iraq | Registered: 27 May 2007
P.P.S. ROFL at Top_Dog eheheh you might be the king of your ring in the Army but in our world it means nothing, and apparently so since you thought his name was Private Parts...however that is rather funny 2 cool points for you.
I dub thee PrivatePartness forever. Let it be written, and shall it be done.
Sorry for being off topic.
Posts: 79 | Location: fort meade, md | Registered: 08 August 2006
I know how to get out of recruiter duty... well at least temporarily. Volunteer to be a Drill Sergeant. It's looong hours and a lot of responsibility and stress, but it is actually rewarding and can be fun at times. As long as you’re not a numbskull you will probably get promoted. Plus you will get a chance to influence a lot of Soldiers and change the Army for the better instead of just talking about it.
Originally posted by PvPness: I love how if someone doesnt agree with army brainwashing that they get put down and the people on here assume that they are the worst possible leader in the army. Thats the pathetic part about this whole site, that people like AR can sometimes give out complete army BS answers and degrade other people for saying something different.
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANY PERSON.
You can beat me later for taking this off topic, but why is it that when someone is motivated to do the right thing and obey the legal orders given them (even if they disagree with them) as brainwashed? Is it because they have learned why certain things are done to include the intent behind some of the trivial portions of the Army system?
Webster’s defines brainwashing as: - a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
No one has forced anyone to give up basic beliefs or attitudes in the Army. Just because the ideas may be regimented as in the case of the Army values and policy does not necessarily mean that it is a contrasting idea. Almost all of our policies are based on the mainstream American society. More brainwashing can be found on a college campus than a US military basic training. The fact that some fringe element disagrees with the main stream does not mean that we are brainwashed.
WARNING: THE FOLLOWING SENTENCES MAY INCLUDE SARCASM OR HUMOR.
Who knows, maybe I am brainwashed and just don’t remember being kidnapped on the way to school and tortured till I was in lock step with the new world order or maybe the accusers are deviants that should never have volunteered in the first place. I hear they have a wicked program at the Peace Corps though.
"War is an act of force, and to the application of that force there is no limit. Each of the advisaries forces the hand of the other, and in a recipricol action results in which there can be no limit..." Carl von Clausewitz, on war, 1833
Posts: 285 | Location: Fort Riley, KS | Registered: 20 May 2004
I'm quite surprised this has gone on as long as it has, but I'll trust AR's judgment since he can lock this any time.
Just a short note from the main page:
"This site provides FREE U.S. Army Board Study Guide Resources to help you prepare for the various U.S. Army Boards and has done so since 1999."
Army Study Guide was started by a professional Soldier, for professional Soldiers. People come here to learn about the Army, and learn how to advance their Army careers. We for the most part believe in working hard to achieve our goals for the advancement of our careers, and the care and feeding of our troops.
Since we are professional Soldiers, we take to heart the Army values. When we see a Soldier who circumvents the system, or encourages dishonorable behavior, it is not well received. Getting a sexist tattoo is not honorable (regardless of the circumstances). Fraudulently enrolling in substance abuse programs is not honorable.
USAREC does have a reputation for it's leadership. But leadership problems are not unique to any command. Command problems are not resolved through shirking duty or playing the system; that in fact just makes the problems worse.
Organizations consisting of more senior ranking personnel have a tendency to regard their members beneath their recognized status (i.e. NOCs treated like privates). I see this largely resulting from these NCOs behaving as privates do. I believe there is an innate human tendency when placed in charge of others, to behave in a more responsible manner. When that responsibility is eliminated, we see things like recruiters storing beer in the fridge at the station, pimping out their female applicants, or my favorite, telling someone by official government e-mail to "GO BACK TO AFRICA AND DO YOUR GAY VOODOO LIMBO TANGO AND WANGO DANCE". When such issues arise, micromanagement may not be the best, but it is often the default response.
While I can only speak from second hand accounts, I don't think the issues are as great as they once were. There is a drastic difference between the things I hear from current recruiters, and those I hear from former recruiters.
Recruiting is a very hard job. That's why: a. Only NCOs are allowed to do it b. Recruiters get special duty pay c. It's looked at favorably for promotion
I personally have no desire to try it. I don't plan to volunteer. If detailed I'll go and try my best to accomplish the mission. If I fail that mission, hopefully the Army will find me more useful employment. If I'm successful, I'll do it until I can go back or forward to something I enjoy more. I will under no circumstances comprise my values to avoid a difficult assignment.
I'll leave you with a few relevant sections of the creed:
"...will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps"
"I am aware of my role as a Noncommissioned Officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role."
"I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage."
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