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I just got back from the M16 range and I wanted to know, if you do NOT qualify the first time, and you score 40 out of 40 the second. Do you still only recive 26 points (Paper Targets) or do you recive the 40? What Army Regulation covers M16/M4??? Thanks.
 
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Couldnt tell you for sure out of the reg, but every time I have gone to the range, or ran a range, the person scored whatever their high score was. If you bolo the first time and get sharpshoot the second time, you get the 2nd score. If you get sharpshoot the first time, and try for expert the second time but only get marksmen, still turn in your sharpshooter score.


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Originally posted by xexjh09:
I just got back from the M16 range and I wanted to know, if you do NOT qualify the first time, and you score 40 out of 40 the second. Do you still only recive 26 points (Paper Targets) or do you recive the 40? What Army Regulation covers M16/M4??? Thanks.


I guess it depends on the unit??? The WO said you keep the higher score but every Range I been to since basic we were told "if you dont qualify the first time, and the second time you get 40/40 you get marksman you do not get expert." But he said you keep the higher one. My computer is slow as hell right now so I cant pull up anything to look it up. Try FM 3-22.9 to see if it says something there.


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I have been searching fo an answer in fm 3-22.9, either I am blind or It is not in there. I was thinking it might be in a army regulation for the M16 or range, but google has not been very helpfull.
 
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When I was at carson, they would take the highest score. Regardless of how many times you fired.




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they would take the highest score. Regardless of how many times you fired.


That's how my unit here at Campbell does it too.
 
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That is BS, because if the soldier bolos the highest he should recive should be the minimum score. I am still looking for the regulation. If any body can help it would be greatly appreciate it. For some reason this is really bothering me...
 
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i found a copy of fm 3-22.9 on globalsecurity.org and this is what is says about soldiers who fail to qualify during a record fire range

3) Soldiers who fail to qualify on the first attempt should be given appropriate remedial training and allowed to refire in a few days. When a soldier refires the course, he will be unqualified if he hits 22 targets or less and will be rated as a marksman if he hits 23 to 40. When automated scoring procedures are available that allow the performance of the soldier to be stored and retrieved before the malfunction, his performance is added to the score of his first attempt after weapons repair and refire. If a soldier's weapon becomes inoperable and his performance before the malfunction precludes qualification he is considered unqualified and must refire.

so if ur units are not doing this maybe this should be brought up....
 
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i found a copy of fm 3-22.9 on globalsecurity.org and this is what is says about soldiers who fail to qualify during a record fire range

3) Soldiers who fail to qualify on the first attempt should be given appropriate remedial training and allowed to refire in a few days. When a soldier refires the course, he will be unqualified if he hits 22 targets or less and will be rated as a marksman if he hits 23 to 40. When automated scoring procedures are available that allow the performance of the soldier to be stored and retrieved before the malfunction, his performance is added to the score of his first attempt after weapons repair and refire. If a soldier's weapon becomes inoperable and his performance before the malfunction precludes qualification he is considered unqualified and must refire.

so if ur units are not doing this maybe this should be brought up....


So if a Soldier shoots again the same day s/he still gets marksman correct? Thanks for the info, I knew where to look but I couldnt pull it up.


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I know this doesn't cover the question on scoring a bolo firing Soldier, but the DA PAM 350-38 STRAC manual allows units to use the EST-2000 firing system for NBC and Night Firing qualification requirements. Also, if your post has this system it should be incorporated into your PMI training prior to the range or have at the ready during the range week if it is do-able.
 
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