Despite the fact that regulation specifically states that senior raters etc cannot force a rater etc to change his/her bullets, always you have someone "kicking back" NCOERs.

Frankly, I think I am able to write NCOERs quite well. I never give unfair or unjustified bullets, and I am always factual.

Oftentimes, you get people who are not even in a rating chain (i.e. - A 1SG, CSM, etc) who want you to completely change someone's NCOER.

Granted, if you write something like "Scored 290 on latest APFT" when in fact they scored a 270, those people have a legitimate beef. Or anything else that is in the reg that you can't or aren't supposed to do (like cover stuff that was covered in another NCOER or DA1059) makes sense.

Just venting. This isn't the first unit that has done this. As a matter of fact, this is the first unit though that has come back and says we need to create MORE excellent bullets. I give my NCOs what they deserve, not to fill some damn quota.

I was fortunate enough throughout my military career to have great leadership that always trusted and believed in me.

That being said, I always sat down and went over "benchmarks" with my Soldiers stating up front what they could expect on their NCOERs. There were no surprises when the time came for signatures.

Before I became a Career Counselor, I only had the opportunity to write about 10 NCOERs. All have since been promoted and two have been selected for SFC.

Well their success isn't really the issue. It's the changing of the NCOERs (in this case, to BETTER bullets that possibly they don't deserve).

I actually counsel my NCOs although I have never been properly counseled prior to receiving an NCOER.

It just ticks me off that every NCOER seems to be reviewed by some jerk off that isn't even in the soldier's rating chain...and demanding them to be changed. I have never balked and changed an NCOER that I thought was already appropriate...it's more or less the constant battle that ticks me off.

What some NCO's dont understand, overstated NCOERs can hurt you..badly. If you get an NCOER and positives are highly exaggerated, then you move to a unit or under a rater that doesnt do that and you get a FAIR NCOER...that past one that you thought made you look so great will now hurt you. Why? Anyone looking at your NCOERs will think that your perfomance is DROPPING.

I guess you can hope that your raters will keep on pushing the truth and making you look better than you are or for some of you..that you get to keep on writing your OWN NCOERs for some lazy bum to sign.

I agree with you 100%. Yet our CSM downrange is insisting that NCOs' NCOERs be changed to reflect higher scores.

I give my NCOs what I think they deserve. No more or less.

And don't get me started on writing your own NCOER. My last two I have practically written myself because if the person who was my rater did it, they would be half empty.

Well, I've been an NCO now for 7 months and still haven't received an NCOER. Wasn't I supposed to receive it within the first 30 days or something like that? Is there something I can do to change this? I have come to the conclusion that my unit just really doesn’t care about the soldiers/NCO's. I make suggestions and they just get thrown out the window. Sorry to sound like I'm bitching but....

Your first NCOER will be either when you have 12-months TIG or your current rater (or you) are reassigned.

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Originally posted by ArmyReenlistment:
Your first NCOER will be either when you have 12-months TIG or your current rater (or you) are reassigned.

Well thanks for clearing that up. Now if I can just work on all the other problems, lol.

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie White:
Well, I've been an NCO now for 7 months and still haven't received an NCOER. Wasn't I supposed to receive it within the first 30 days or something like that? Is there something I can do to change this? I have come to the conclusion that my unit just really doesn’t care about the soldiers/NCO's. I make suggestions and they just get thrown out the window. Sorry to sound like I'm bitching but....

What you are thinking of is your NCOER counseling which is done on a 2166-8-1. Ask them for your NCOER counseling.

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie White:
Well, I've been an NCO now for 7 months and still haven't received an NCOER. Wasn't I supposed to receive it within the first 30 days or something like that? Is there something I can do to change this? I have come to the conclusion that my unit just really doesn’t care about the soldiers/NCO's. I make suggestions and they just get thrown out the window. Sorry to sound like I'm bitching but....

I'm sorry but how can you be an NCO and not know when "your" NCOER is due or WHEN "you" are supposed to be counseled? (yea it is your rater's responsibility, but also just as much yours)

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Originally posted by 97E3L00PF:
What you are thinking of is your NCOER counseling which is done on a 2166-8-1. Ask them for your NCOER counseling.

Thats what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. I did ask them for it and all I get is the run-around.

To MaleNurse, sorry I'm not up to your standards. I'm still learning......

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Originally posted by MaleNurse:

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie White:
Well, I've been an NCO now for 7 months and still haven't received an NCOER. Wasn't I supposed to receive it within the first 30 days or something like that? Is there something I can do to change this? I have come to the conclusion that my unit just really doesn’t care about the soldiers/NCO's. I make suggestions and they just get thrown out the window. Sorry to sound like I'm bitching but....

I'm sorry but how can you be an NCO and not know when "your" NCOER is due or WHEN "you" are supposed to be counseled? (yea it is your rater's responsibility, but also just as much yours)

I've just come to grips with the fact that NCOs are becoming NCOs first and learning later (unlike before where you learned to be an NCO first). Nothing I can do about it, just drive on.

I just wanted to bump this as the NCOERs I wrote for two of my NCOs before I PCS'd came back "ready for signature" after the BN CSM in Iraq who isn't even remotely in the NCOs' rating chains (the rating chain doesn't leave the company) has rewritten and removed bullets I put in the NCOER.

Granted, they aren't really changed too much and ratings themselves are the same...but I hate this BS.

Some examples...

I wrote: "o conducted rigorous physical training resulting in three of her four Soldiers achieving APFT scores over 270"

He wrote: He deleted my bullet, and replaced it with: "o never backed down from a challenge"


I wrote: "o stressed career development by encouraging and assisting two Soldiers in continuing their civilian education"

He wrote: Deleted bullet and replaced it with, "o sacrificed personal time to look after Soldiers' well being"


I wrote: "o emphasized safety throughout the unit's redeployment resulting in 100% accident free movement"

He wrote: Deleted bullet and replaced with: "o always maintained 100% accountability of Soldiers"


On another NCOER...


I wrote: "o relied upon by the Company leadership to accomplish tough tasks with short suspenses"

He wrote: "o excels in the absence of orders and guidance" (written incorrectly for an NCOER)


I wrote: "o mentored and encouraged a newly assigned Soldier on the Army Weight Program to reach his authorized body fat percentage"

He wrote: "o his squad always completes every task early and above the standard" (which, by the way, is written incorrectly for an NCOER)


I wrote: "Service School Instructor"

He replaced with: "Platoon Sergeant"


Everything (for the most part) in the second NCOER he replaced incorrectly (present tense instead of past).

It looks like he was trying to reduce the "wordiness". Except for the first example. Those are almost unrelated.

All of them do sound watered down though. It's no doubt your bullets sound more impressive. Apparently he thought they were still strong bullets even when toned down. Wierd.

I don't like the idea of other people changing your NCOERs though. That means that someone else is rating your soldier based on their interpretation of your comments. Anytime there is that much play to be had between ideas... there can't be a good outcome.