I was talking with a young NCO who has only been wearing the rank for 4 months. His unit just got back from a 30 day field problem. His NCO did not make sure his complete the record was complete prior to the field problem.
Is that being fair to the soldier that she is leaving the unit with a memo stating the NCO is clearing without a NCOER?
olschoolz, you really need to provide a much better description of what you're asking about ... you won't get an accurate response unless you can do this.
Complete-the-Record reports are optional. Therefore, the absence of such a report from the OMPF at the time of the board’s review will not be a basis to request standby reconsideration unless the absence is due to administrative error or a delay in processing at HQDA. This paragraph is also applicable to the ARNGUS and USAR Command Sergeant Major Programs and ARNGUS and USAR promotion boards centralized at State or Major United States Army Reserve Command headquarters, NGB, and AHRC–St. Louis.
b. DA Form 2166–8. A Complete-the-Record Report may be submitted on a NCO who is about to be considered by a DA centralized board for promotion, school, or CSM selection, provided the following conditions are met: (1) The rated NCO will be in the zone of consideration (primary or secondary) for a centralized promotion board or in the zone of consideration for a school or CSM selection board. (2) The rated NCO will have been under the same rater for at least 90 rated days as of the ending date established in the message announcing the zones of consideration. (3) All other rating chain time minimums apply. (4) The rated NCO will not have received a previous report for the current duty position at the current organization.
I think what he is saying is, a certain NCO went to a field problem, while the NCO with only 4 months was about to leave the unit so needs an NCOER for those 4 months...well this NCO left for the field problem, without creating a NCOER and now this young NCO is leaving without one...I dont believe the Chain of Command would let this happen and it would not be a complete the record if my theory is correct it would be a Change of Rater.
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Originally posted by ArmyReenlistment: A Complete-the-Record Report may be submitted on a NCO who is about to be considered by a DA centralized board for promotion, school, or CSM selection
Good information, 35M3l00PF ... I've seen that before somewhere.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 35M3L00PF: Complete the Records are for upcoming boards not PCS moves etc. He would need Change of Rater.
My apoligies for not being plain. The young NCO's NCOIC did not do a change of rater and and the NCO leaves any day now. Is it fair to the young Sergeant that he is leaving his old unit without it?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Top_Dog: What are you talking about???????
If he was wearing a rank for 4 months, why would he need a complete the record report? I think you need to refer to the AR and do some reading.
I do have a question, Top Dog? How do I make E7? I know its competive across the board, but what schools does a young E6 need to get hot with in order to wear your rank?
To start off, I do not believe there is a method to the madness of a DA selection board. I think many deserving people get promoted, but many also do not.
What I tell my NCOs, is that by doing your job to the best of your ability and by taking care of your soldiers, it will payoff itself. When I say taking care of soldiers, I do not mean giving them "comp" time, passes or stuff like that. What I mean is train them everyday, train them to take your job and be effective leaders. When they reach a standard, set a new and higher goal. Be tough, disciplined, demanding, but yet fair. That is what soldiers expect, and well they should. Giving them anything less is why they get out of the Army.
As for schools, I recommend Battle Staff, but I really did not learn anything. Most of the data was outdated. Continue to take tough and demanding assignments, where leading troops is paramount! I would not want to promote anybody to a higher rank if they have not proven that they have the potential to accept more responsibility and soldiers.
This is just my opinion, but like I said, there is no method to the madness!
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Ultimately it is the SENIOR RATER's responsibility to ensure NCOers get processed, but that doesn't mean the rater or rated share no action in this. That late NCOer needs to get forwarded to the gaining unit ASAP. Rating periods with at least 90 days need an NCOer reguardless of circumstance.
Originally posted by ArmyReenlistment: A Complete-the-Record Report may be submitted on a NCO who is about to be considered by a DA centralized board for promotion, school, or CSM selection
Good information, 35M3l00PF ... I've seen that before somewhere.
LOL...yea I missed your post somehow and only saw TransAm's so I was confirming what he said...
Thanks for the advise. I will also seek a competent mentor who is not afraid to mentor. I have learned to limit my conversation around certain SR NCO's and even those who have been my rank for some time.
The last time I received a good NCODP class was from the rear-d 1SG when I had to take a soldier to get read a Article 15 last week.
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Originally posted by Top_Dog: olschoolz,
To start off, I do not believe there is a method to the madness of a DA selection board. I think many deserving people get promoted, but many also do not.
What I tell my NCOs, is that by doing your job to the best of your ability and by taking care of your soldiers, it will payoff itself. When I say taking care of soldiers, I do not mean giving them "comp" time, passes or stuff like that. What I mean is train them everyday, train them to take your job and be effective leaders. When they reach a standard, set a new and higher goal. Be tough, disciplined, demanding, but yet fair. That is what soldiers expect, and well they should. Giving them anything less is why they get out of the Army.
As for schools, I recommend Battle Staff, but I really did not learn anything. Most of the data was outdated. Continue to take tough and demanding assignments, where leading troops is paramount! I would not want to promote anybody to a higher rank if they have not proven that they have the potential to accept more responsibility and soldiers.
This is just my opinion, but like I said, there is no method to the madness!
First, thoroughly learn your duties as a Staff Sergeant! Don't rush too quickly to the next level. Your seniors will request you go up for promotion when they feel you're ready. I'm getting tired of troops feeling like they should be able to recommend themselves! Good luck.....
