35m after 2014?

I am joining the army and trying to decide which MOS to join under, 35m or 11b. i was leaning toward 35m because i like the idea of learning about new cultures and travel the world. but i have been hearing people say online that after 2014, this will not be the case. is this true? and can anyone give me some information on what my day to day life as a 35m would be like?
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thanks for your reply, but i was more wondering what life in the army as a 35m will be like. i have read that after afghanistan is over 35m will basically be doing nothing. and i worked a office job for 10 years, i dont wanta join the army to work another office job. i would like to be in the field working with the locals, travel the word etc etc. although i have read this has been the case with 35m for the last 12 years i hear once the war is over, it will be basically sitting around state side for 35ms. if thats the case i would like to go 11b. any thoughts on this?

i do had a friend who did 35m back in the 80s, she said she was travelling the world back then with that MOS, working with the state dept, and went to many different countries. which excites me, i am also very fond of middle eastern culture and worked at a international call center for 8 years, i get along very well with muslims and ppl from the middle east.

but if it looks like after the war this job will basically be office work as i say id rather go 11b, and try for special forces in the future.

what type of things should i expect to do as a 35m? from my research, it seems like i would basically try and befriend the natives, to give information the army could use.
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Originally posted by flint93:
i have read that after afghanistan is over 35m will basically be doing nothing.


Depending on where they are stationed and what unit they are in, a 35M would normally be doing the same thing as every other MOS in a "peace time" Army including 11Bs, training in their specialty for the next possible conflict.

Also, you can can travel the world and apply for Special Forces in any MOS regardless if we are at war or not.
11B would be better for you if you come in as a young guy. I don't know how old you are, but youth really helps. It will challenge your body in many ways. If you are an older applicant just go 35M. Be careful who you take info from on this job. Some people sell 35M as a super hero job. There are some that sit in an S-2 shop all day, and there are the 20% or so that do all the work, just like any MOS really.

Why not just go 18X contract from go? If you wash out you will be an 11B Airborne Soldier anyways.

Its actually how the Military gets a lot of Airborne troops that way....from disillusioned guys that came in wanting to be SF or came in with an Option 40 and washed out and sent to the 82nd.
thanks for the info i am 30
, so x18 doesnt apply to me. tho i dont think i would be in good enough shape to go straight to x18. but that has always been something i have wanted to do. not because what i see on tv, but i have read many books on SF, i like that you learn the native langauge and help them, not only to defend themselves but also building bridges, giving simple medical care. i really like that idea. not that i am against shooting the bad guys. but that would be my long term goal and to me 35m seems like a good place to start, and even beyond that, in the same realm of at least partly what SF does.

thanks for all the responsesSmiler

but what all tasks do 35m do, i hear its not really interrogators, thats just one of many tasks. from what i understand, its more like befriending the locals (hearts and minds), so that the army can obtain pertinent information to the armys objectives in that area of operations?

thanks again for all your help.
flint93,
What do you want to do in the Army? What do you want to do after the Army?

If you are absolutely loathe to doing "office work", I would avoid 35M.

Being a HUMINT Collector involves a tremendous amount of report writing and time spent behind a computer. For every hour you spend doing high speed stuff, whether its in the booth or outside the wire, you can count on at least 2-3 hours of writing reports about the stuff you did in agonizing detail.

A Core competency of almost every Intelligence MOS is analysis, which means that at some point you will probably be expected to work in an office environment. Also, as you move up in rank, you are less likely to be the guy doing the high speed stuff and more likely to be the guy managing others as they do high speed stuff. You will be expected to do your Staff time as well.

I am not trying to bash on 35M here, I think it's a great MOS with a lot of awesome opportunities for training and assignments. But don't go into this MOS thinking you are going to be doing all kinds of running and gunning, and singing Kumbaya with Mohammed DirkaDirka. 35M is about getting people to tell you information. Befriending the locals is not the point, and probably shouldn't be happening anyways. And once you get the information, you will spend a lot of quality time with your computer reporting that information up to the people who need it.

Have you looked into MOS 38B Civil Affairs Specialist or 37F Psychological Operations Specialist?
i have looked into 37f, but from what i saw, idk i like the idea of learning the locals customs and language. as i say thats what made me intrested in SF when i was younger.

i dont mind office work per say but i dont want a strictly office job. i did that for 11 years, and made much better money than i would doing it for the army. so i do want something where i go outside the wire, and all the other 35 series jobs looks as if that was not the case.

i am thinking this maybe the MOS for me, i did my asvab and got a 68, which the recruiter said was good. idk how true that is, i believe less and less of what comes out of a recruiters mouth with each visit i take. hence why i came to this sight for info.

if anyone else sees this and could tell me what try of training i could expect to do as well as work, that would be great. i have heard its alot of interrogations, but that is not all of what a 35m does. in an office environment i worked in a call center for dish network, i did advance tech for about 4 years then inbound sales for about 7 years. this was in a international call center, so much so there was a special prayer room for the muslim employees, which i got along great with. though i am not a muslim i have always been fascinated with middle eastern culture. another reason i think 35m maybe for me.

i am kinda thinking now either go 35x or 11b with that 40 contract to go to rasp. i hear either way ill go to airborne school.

thanks again for all your information
i thought both airborne and langauge training was a must for 35m, but i am finding that is not the case.

thanks sgt.smitty for the info on requesting airborne training will more than likely get me attached to SF.

i looked up the attache looks like that will give me embassy duty. i thought that was what the marines were for.

thanks again guys for all your help, i am not the type of guy that makes multi-year life changing desicions on the fly. and this has really helped.

if i was attached to SF what would my duties be, i assume interrogator. but i am reading now that 35m normally doesnt get language training, which really confuses me. because it says on the army page a big part of there job is translating papers found in english as well as interviews in english. honestly the more i look into this MOS the more confused i get into what my tasks will really be.
Some 35M get language training but the Army has 35P for the bulk of the translating that needs to be done. As JC351LP stated, 35M is HUMINT Collector. I believe some of the confusion you might be running into is the fact that there used to be an MOS that was titled, "interrogator". 35M actually spawned from this MOS and 35Ms are trained to interrogate but that is not their primary duty now days. It's hard to go into details due to the sensitive nature of their duties but I think that JC351LP explained it pretty well. I'm a 35L that works with 35Ms and I usually see them in front of a computer typing out reports. We do the same thing though but we also pitch a lot of TARP briefings.
cool sounds like this is the MOS i wanta do, and just to make sure to get airborne training.

how hard is it to change mos later on? like if i didnt like it that well to go to 11b?

also to me, it seems odd that language training isnt mandatory for 35m. but i guess the army has its reasons.
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how hard is it to change mos later on? like if i didn't like it that well to go to 11b?


Easiest time to request reclassification is when you reenlist.

Currently 11B and 11C are both closed for reclassification unless you are a Ranger Qualified Sergeant or below.

I have never heard of a 35M reclassing into anything other than a different MI MOS (usually 35L)

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it seems odd that language training isn't mandatory for 35m.


There's been talk of reinstating language training for 35M. As of June 2012, 35M does require a DLAB Score of 95 or higher. 35M is a language-capable MOS, so it's not unheard of for a 35M to reenlist for DLI.

This is just my opinion, but I think having a language as a 35M is somewhat overrated. The average 35M will rarely get opportunities to utilize their language training, and even if they are in a situation where they are serving in their target language area (e.g. Arabic linguist in Iraq), they will likely still be dependent on interpreters.

A 35M can be the best linguist in the world, but if he/she is a crappy HUMINTer, they are useless.
thanks jc351lp,

other than interrogations, what should i expect to do?

also my ultimate goal, is to join SF, and sgt smitty was saying i would probably get assigned to a SF group if i did SF training. i would assume if that was the case i would probably just be staying at the FOB and not get assigned to go on missions with them.

at age 30 i think not only would i learn a better skill set with 35m, it would also give me time to get in proper shape. either way (35m or 11b) id need to wait to be a e4, and if i am already working with the teams as a 35m this may give me an advantage of what to expect.
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other than interrogations, what should i expect to do?


I would direct you to the Army's website for this question.

http://www.goarmy.com/careers-...gence-collector.html

While their description of the MOS is broad and without much depth, it is accurate.

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sgt smitty was saying i would probably get assigned to a SF group if i did SF training.


I think SGT Smitty was saying that if you go Airborne, there is a good chance you will be assigned to an SF Group. I'm not going to agree or disagree, because I don't really know the trends.

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i would assume if that was the case i would probably just be staying at the FOB and not get assigned to go on missions with them.


This would depend on a lot of different factors, more than I can really list here. The best I can tell you is that the more useful, reliable, and professional you are, the more likely you will be to work with the Teams.

Based on what you've mentioned on the forum so far, I would recommend that you enlist as a 35M with RASP in your contract, or at the very least get Airborne on your contract.

Try to think a little bit about what you want to do after the Army. Being a 35M could easily set you up for a very rewarding and fulfilling lifetime career in the Intelligence Community.
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Originally posted by Corvette1140:
11B would be better for you if you come in as a young guy. I don't know how old you are, but youth really helps. It will challenge your body in many ways. If you are an older applicant just go 35M. Be careful who you take info from on this job. Some people sell 35M as a super hero job. There are some that sit in an S-2 shop all day, and there are the 20% or so that do all the work, just like any MOS really.

Why not just go 18X contract from go? If you wash out you will be an 11B Airborne Soldier anyways.

Its actually how the Military gets a lot of Airborne troops that way....from disillusioned guys that came in wanting to be SF or came in with an Option 40 and washed out and sent to the 82nd.
There is no S2 shop in the entire Army (that I have ever seen) that is MTOE a 35M. Not the same job.

I've been a 35M for over a decade. I will say this. It's possible to do the job, or possible to twiddle your thumb. People move to different areas based on different contracts. You can be a 35M in SF Group Support
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Originally posted by JC351LP:
flint93,
What do you want to do in the Army? What do you want to do after the Army?

If you are absolutely loathe to doing "office work", I would avoid 35M.

Being a HUMINT Collector involves a tremendous amount of report writing and time spent behind a computer. For every hour you spend doing high speed stuff, whether its in the booth or outside the wire, you can count on at least 2-3 hours of writing reports about the stuff you did in agonizing detail.

A Core competency of almost every Intelligence MOS is analysis, which means that at some point you will probably be expected to work in an office environment. Also, as you move up in rank, you are less likely to be the guy doing the high speed stuff and more likely to be the guy managing others as they do high speed stuff. You will be expected to do your Staff time as well.

I am not trying to bash on 35M here, I think it's a great MOS with a lot of awesome opportunities for training and assignments. But don't go into this MOS thinking you are going to be doing all kinds of running and gunning, and singing Kumbaya with Mohammed DirkaDirka. 35M is about getting people to tell you information. Befriending the locals is not the point, and probably shouldn't be happening anyways. And once you get the information, you will spend a lot of quality time with your computer reporting that information up to the people who need it.

Have you looked into MOS 38B Civil Affairs Specialist or 37F Psychological Operations Specialist?
Correct on the report writing. Even at the highest levels one hour of actual conduction of meetings results in like 10 hours of preps and report writing.
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Originally posted by SGT Smitty:
Some 35M get language training but the Army has 35P for the bulk of the translating that needs to be done. As JC351LP stated, 35M is HUMINT Collector. I believe some of the confusion you might be running into is the fact that there used to be an MOS that was titled, "interrogator". 35M actually spawned from this MOS and 35Ms are trained to interrogate but that is not their primary duty now days. It's hard to go into details due to the sensitive nature of their duties but I think that JC351LP explained it pretty well. I'm a 35L that works with 35Ms and I usually see them in front of a computer typing out reports. We do the same thing though but we also pitch a lot of TARP briefings.
It's the same MOS, it always has been. It used to be language-dependent until about 6-7 years ago or more.
thanks again for all your responses,

so if i did 35m with airborne then rasp in my contract, rasp is the new rip, and from my understanding if i pass that i would go to ranger bat.? the 2 options i have been trying to decide was 11b with rasp or 35m with airborne. didnt know i could do 35m with rasp. are you saying i should do 35m with rasp to better my chances working with SF or would i then be in a ranger bat? thanks again
also alot of ppl have been telling me i need to think about what i wanta do after the army, and i think i would enjoy working in the intelligence field. when i worked in a call center fro like 11 years, there was times there was down time, during those times i would read, read books about famous CIA agents, OSS, books about the creation of SF. also i frequent sites like longwarjournal and borderlandbeat. so i do think i would enjoy a job in the intelligence field even after the military.

and i dont mind office work, i did it for 11 years, but i would also like a job where i was out in the field some. i may need to brush up on grammer skills tho. i got a 68 on asvab the recruiters said that was good, i was amazed thought since i have been out of school for so long and not really using those skills i would have flunked it. but supposibly 68 is good,
I was wondering when 35 Series would show up. He's probably the best SME on this forum regarding 35M stuff.

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so if i did 35m with airborne then rasp in my contract, rasp is the new rip, and from my understanding if i pass that i would go to ranger bat.?


Correct

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are you saying i should do 35m with rasp to better my chances working with SF or would i then be in a ranger bat?


I was suggesting 35M with RASP because it would give you the MOS while exposing you to Special Operations and Infantry, since it seems like that's where your interests are pointing you to.

In my opinion, I think you should get over this fascination with MOS 11b. Based on what you've told us about yourself, and what you want to do in the Army, I don't think it's something you would really enjoy.

But I'm just a guy on the internet, and it's ultimately your life and your decision.
i will throw in my 2cents here..

i did 2 deployments as 11B.
before going in to this MOS, you need to think and be truthful to yourself if this is the MOS you want.

you will be out in the field alot,.. rain, shine, snow. whatever you have going on at home 99% of the time will not matter.. you will be in the field.
11B is a different life than other MOS's. you will be starting at the bottom of the food chain, and you will be reminded every day about it.. so lots of details, crappy tasks, and anything else.

with the exception of very few, and select individuals (SF type), there is no career in the civilian life for an 11B. you will have people say it helps with law enforcement and other crap... it doesnt, and it could even hurt your chances as you have already been taught bad things that you need to be retaught to do the correct way in the real world.

so.. with that said about the 11B MOS..

it is not a simple process of changing MOS's. it normally involves alot of time (3 to 6+ months if not done during renlistment, if you are even allowed to) and involves alot of people to approve it. right now it is easier to chapter someone out and get a fresh recruit than simply reclassing one as most of the paperwork is local to the company instead of having to go higher. so you better be an outstanding Soldier.

another thing to think about..do you fully plan on putting in 20 + years?
what happens if you dont?
what if you get hurt or something during training and get MED boarded out? what skills will you have learned in the military that will prepare you for the civilian world?

im just trying to help you understand that even if you plan on spending 20+ years in the Army, you still need to prepare for civilian life. why not make the Army help you better prepare yourself for when it happens.
thanks for your input jc351lp, i think you are correct, tho i just got back from the recruiters office and i was telling them again unsure about 35m or 11b but leaning heavily toward 35m. and one of the recruiters asked hows your credit. which honestly i dont know, about 8-9 years ago i was making 60k plus a year, bought a brand new bmw. well about a year or 2 later the recession hit, adn since my job was commission based it was cut in half, i was always about a month late on my car payment, and i quit paying my 2 credit cards. the credit cards i stopped paying close to 7 years ago, maybe more. the bmw shit the bed it would have cost 2k to get it running, and though by that time i owed a little over that to pay it off, so it was repoed. anyways the recruiters were saying more than likely this will cause me not to be able to get a TS clearence which is required for any 35 series MI.
i am going to get my credit report ran, as i say the credit card debit was from a bit back. so that may have beeen taken off my credit, but also i have been on unemployment and was just cut off on dec 28, i was living in tacoma washington and after a week being late i was evicted. so i am guessing my credit is shit.

so it looks like 11b will be my only choice and special ops would not be in my future due to that requires TS clearence to.
Negative credit report violations stay on your credit for seven years from the time it was either paid off or written off.

So, for example, say your car gets repod January 2001. But they don't actually write off the debt or you don't actually pay it back until March 2007 (due to fighting with the bank or settling with the bank or just time to process crap). It stays on your credit until March 2014, not March 2008.
Man...looks like I've been missing some sweet conversations....

S-2's aren't MTOE'd 35Ms...but the companies are....and they will stick you in there if they see fit to it (I speak from experience)....or in S-3 (again...from experience).

These days, maybe you will luck out and get a gig being attached to someone else who's going somewhere overseas and get to do some HUMINT work. Not so many interrogations going on these days, but still some "source operations" stuff happening. And if you're stuck at home (CONUS), then you'll either be training, going to school, or doing details just like everybody else who's stuck at home.

I came in when the language was still a requirement, but they suddenly "flipped the script" on us and killed the requirement. Luckily, I had already gotten DLI in writing beforehand and was locked in. If you do get the opportunity to not only get language training but also pick the language you want to learn, I suggest going with an East Asian language (not Korean or Japanese) such as Javanese or Tagalog....or a Euro language like French; those will take you places right now.

If you're looking for career progression, then just stay out of 35M because we are literally quadruple stacked full of people....everyone up to E-7 has an "no" for in-call (meaning no new openings and a "yes" for out-call (meaning some of you in this rank need to get the fudge out of this MOS).

Try Civil Affairs in you still want the experiences of travel without having to interrogate.

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