4/4 rating.

I'm new to this board, but I've lurked around on it for a while. While it's great to be here talking amongst NCO's and other fellow Soldiers, let me get to the point.

I just got a 4/4 rating. It's been a few weeks, and I've allowed myself to calm down enough to write this without too much influence of emotion. I got this 4/4 by a junior officer, an O-3. I'm a SSG, btw. While officer is junior in rank, but not in age (40-something). While age shouldn't matter in this, I'm throwing it in for a little perspective. This officer used to be enlisted, highest rank, a Specialist. I've been an NCO for over 10 years, and have never had a rating close to this.

This officer kinda rubs everybody the wrong way. People asked me all the time how could I work with person. I tell them I love the job more than I hate working with said person. So I endure.

So I get this 4/4. The biggest problem I have with it is it's supported by vague negative statements about me. 'Late for work', 'Missed deadlines', stuff like that, with no definitive proof to back these claims. Worst of all, this officer USED LIES ON A MEMORANDUM to support this. I can dispute these lies with text messages between us. In these texts there are time stamps, to back claims of who's where and what.

My point is (sorry if it took too long to get here), in this day and age, can printed text be used to support an argument? With the support of text between us, I can light this officer up.

When I file my appeal (yes, it WILL happen in the next few days), can this be used? I also plan to file an IG complaint based on some of the language directed at me, very unprofessional language.

I just wanted to know what you guys thought on this matter. We all know in this day and age a 4/4 is pretty much a 'c-ya' if it's allowed to stand. I can't let that happen, especially when I've been getting 2's and 1's all my career.
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And to add more perspective, my work throughout the unit gets praised all the time, by many, commanders, sgt majors, up and down the ranks. I help other brigades out. People come to me when they need something, totally bypassing her (sometimes on purpose, but not always). There have been times where she's taken credit for my work, and others where she purposely avoids using my work. Again, people see what I do, yet this 4/4 was allowed to work its way up.

Oh, btw. I was the last one to see and sign it. As a courtesy, your rater typically lets you see your NCOER before it goes anywhere. But in this instance, I didn't see it until they wanted me to sign it...by the S1 Clerk. She didn't even have the gumption to present it to me, because she knew it was BS.
Did you read the pam on the reasons on why you could receive a 4/4? For example, failing PT or tape or any other negative issue?

http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/p623_3.pdf

What about your quarterly counselings? Any clue as to why you were heading down this path?

Read the PAM and hope you can have ammo to justify your cause than condescending language and texts messages.

You could of refused to sign and she would have had to enter that in the senior rater comments area.
I wish I had it front of me right now, but there's no one specific reason for it. I was shocked to get the rating. There was nothing in the quarterly counseling to suggest it...when she did quarterly counseling. She was only tracking it when a memo was sent out to all saying it was due.

She's trying to base it on incidents where she's fabricating negative things against me. Pure fabrications, for example, saying I was late to an event (I wasn't), where I got there before her and texted that I was waiting on her. The fact that I have BLATANT, OUTRIGHT lies to pin against her would raise a question about all her statements.

I signed it because there's a clause that says signing it ONLY acknowledges that ADMIN DATA is correct (name, rank, social, etc), and doesn't necessarily agree with Rater or Sr. Rater's comment. Initially, I refused to sign until a senior NCO pointed this out to me.
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Originally posted by BigSarge442:
I wish I had it front of me right now, but there's no one specific reason for it. I was shocked to get the rating. There was nothing in the quarterly counseling to suggest it...when she did quarterly counseling. She was only tracking it when a memo was sent out to all saying it was due.

She's trying to base it on incidents where she's fabricating negative things against me. Pure fabrications, for example, saying I was late to an event (I wasn't), where I got there before her and texted that I was waiting on her. The fact that I have BLATANT, OUTRIGHT lies to pin against her would raise a question about all her statements.

I signed it because there's a clause that says signing it ONLY acknowledges that ADMIN DATA is correct (name, rank, social, etc), and doesn't necessarily agree with Rater or Sr. Rater's comment. Initially, I refused to sign until a senior NCO pointed this out to me.


Go through the reg. There are procedures for appealing your eval. If what you are saying is true, there is a process to correct this.

Best of luck.
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I was the last one to see and sign it. As a courtesy, your rater typically lets you see your NCOER before it goes anywhere. But in this instance, I didn't see it until they wanted me to sign it...by the S1 Clerk. She didn't even have the gumption to present it to me, because she knew it was BS


Here is the things that rub me the wrong way about this whole thing:

Do you have a First Sergeant, PSG, Senior Enlisted Leader in your unit/organization? Some NCO's eyes must have been placed upon this prior to going up the chain further (to ensure that it wasn't too jacked up).

Next is that the Rater, Senior Rater AND Reviewer all AGREED on the rating, and signed the document. In this day and age, having three people agree to give a Soldier a 4/4 pretty much means the same thing: It was OBVIOUS to EVERYONE.

Dont take anything I am saying personally, dont attack me, but I am just letting you know what I see from an outsider's persepective.

Maybe if you copy and pasted your bullets here we could help ID where the negative rating came from and discuss further?

Without the whole story this is just a he-said-she-said situation, and with the Rater, Sr Rater and Reviewer all signing and agreeing there is pretty much ZERO change of winning this on Appeal... you will need some MAJOR ammunition to win this one...

Not trying to piss you off, just telling you the truth...
Well, it's pass-off by the senior rater and the reviewer. They don't know me from the man in the moon. They're merely backing what an officer said. Neither has spent five minutes talking to me. The reviewer has only been in position a couple of months, and the senior rater maybe 5-6 months. Maybe.

That's what has me so pissing mad, that this atrocity has been seen by so many. Hell, she needed help (by an NCO) to rewrite it because the initial one she wrote was so inconsistent and poorly written.

Personally, I don't think she's ever been in charge of anything. Right now I don't have any proof of that. Just an assumption.

I'll post bullets later on, and you can assess from there.
So, 3 people is 'everyone'? 3 Officers at that, who are inclined to play the 'buddy-buddy' system? Sure, NCO's do it, too, but it's mostly out of protection for Soldiers who have little to zero say in their own defense. The NCO side is more of a 'circling the wagons' than anything else.

It's all good. I got ammunition, and I'm about to use it.

So, anyway. In the 'Army Values' I get all YES's.

I get four SUCCESS's, but when you get down to Responsibility and Accountability I get: signed for maintained all equipment valued at $150,000 (I was signed for everything we used, and never lost anything). But here's one of her negative bullets: "continually missed deadlines and didn't follow through on several projects".

This is a vague accusation. Define 'missed deadlines'. She doesn't. What does it mean? Put some context to it.

Another negative bullet: "requires persistent follow up from supervisor to ensure work is completed on time of even completed at all".

Again, vague. Here's why I say that. If you're an overbearing supervisor, asking about a project three times an hour when the time needed for the project takes say, 2 hours, why in the hell are you asking me every 15 minutes if I'm done? Or if I had to stop working on said project to go do something that you or another rank of authority wanted me to do, wouldn't THAT affect the 'deadline'?

Here's another issue, she doesn't have the skill set or the patience to do some of the stuff I do, so she doesn't understand or care to consider the complexity of the situation. Go tell a doctor to be done in 15 min. with a surgery that takes 2 hours. See my point? Unreasonable deadline and complete ignorance to the complexity of his work.

She's one of those types that tries to please higher, at any expense. That and she has virtually no respect for anyone with less rank than her. Trust me, Sarge, she's not that liked in the unit.

Back to the document. Another comment that was changed, she said I had 'unlimited potential'. I didn't see much of the original, but that line somehow disappeared. It doesn't mean much now, but I wanted to mention it to establish some inconsistency in her writing.

Also, I'm not fat, not a PT failure, and no UCMJ. The only negatives she has to work with is whatever perception she's trying to create.

Now I gotta go through the hassle of proving that I don't deserve this BS rating. Like I said, it's all good. I got ammo, Sarge, and I'm about to take the 'weapon' off SAFE.
I understand your anger but she does not need to do your job at all since her role is different from yours.

"Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine."


I learned a long time ago, that you need to look in the mirror before placing blame on others on perceived shortcomings. You have recourse to address the matter and if you feel strongly that this rating is unfair; then appeal it according to regulation.
I get all that, but you can't create ridiculous deadlines and then argue that a Soldier isn't meeting them.

If you don't understand how something works, how can you set deadlines for it to be done?

"Hey, change that tire in 5 minutes or..", for example.

Blame? That's something NCO's don't do. I sure as hell don't. But don't interrupt me while I'm doing a task, but the 'deadline clock' is still running. Come on, now.

Oh, it's coming (the appeal). Believe that!!
Sorry for the long post, and the use of so any quotes... also: Don’t get upset with the tone/bluntness of my comments, your “tone” factored into mine:

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The reviewer has only been in position a couple of months, and the senior rater maybe 5-6 months. Maybe.


Does the Rater, Sr. Rater and Reviewer all meet the necessary requirements set forth in AR/DA PAM 623-3? Then there shouldn’t be any complaints.

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That's what has me so pissing mad, that this atrocity has been seen by so many. Hell, she needed help (by an NCO) to rewrite it because the initial one she wrote was so inconsistent and poorly written.


This is the way it SHOULD be! NCO’s should assist their Officers in PROPERLY writing NCOERS! If anything someone did you a great service by helping her write the NCOER, this is NOT something to complain about. If you don’t know how to write an officer’s OER, then what makes you think the CPT knows the best way to write an NCOER?

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Personally, I don't think she's ever been in charge of anything. Right now I don't have any proof of that. Just an assumption.


Has nothing to do with the conversation. You are just arbitrarily angry

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So, 3 people is 'everyone'? 3 Officers at that, who are inclined to play the 'buddy-buddy' system? Sure, NCO's do it, too, but it's mostly out of protection for Soldiers who have little to zero say in their own defense. The NCO side is more of a 'circling the wagons' than anything else.


When it comes to your NCOER, 3 people is “EVERYONE”… the only people who really matter are those with Signature Blocks…. As evidence by the fact that everyone else who “loves you so much” apparently could not help your eval look better.

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It's all good. I got ammunition, and I'm about to use it.


If you have ammunition, then use it properly! There is an appeal’s system in place. Additionally if you have issue with your eval you should set up meetings with your Rater, Sr. Rater and Reviewer (all separately) and discuss the eval.

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So, anyway. In the 'Army Values' I get all YES's.


Congrats on doing what you are supposed to… almost like saying “I pay my bills!” or “I aint never been to jail!”

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… one of her negative bullets: "continually missed deadlines and didn't follow through on several projects".

This is a vague accusation. Define 'missed deadlines'. She doesn't. What does it mean? Put some context to it.

Another negative bullet: "requires persistent follow up from supervisor to ensure work is completed on time of even completed at all".

Again, vague. Here's why I say that. If you're an overbearing supervisor, asking about a project three times an hour when the time needed for the project takes say, 2 hours, why in the hell are you asking me every 15 minutes if I'm done? Or if I had to stop working on said project to go do something that you or another rank of authority wanted me to do, wouldn't THAT affect the 'deadline'?


Have you ever written an NCOER? Both of these are very well written bullets for a negative or “needs improvement” type write up. It actually clearly defines the deficiency… your rater has NO WAY to put the details of the events, so I don’t really know what you are wanting here??? How much room do you think the person has?

Additionally, stating that she is overbearing, or micro-managing and using that as an excuse will NEVER work. Everyone has a different leadership style, so you have to ADAPT and overcome. One leader might micro-manage while the other is hands off, however you must be able to perform for all types of superiors.

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She's one of those types that tries to please higher, at any expense. That and she has virtually no respect for anyone with less rank than her. Trust me, Sarge, she's not that liked in the unit.


Look at who is talking about a clear and complete lack of respect… the same guy who calls a SFC “Sarge” with the intent to disrespect me and my comments/opinion (on an internet forum or not) I never would have brought the comment up (it honestly doesn’t bother me that much at all) but I wanted to highlight the hypocrisy in your statement. Hey pot, watch what you call the kettle… the truth might burn a bit.

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Back to the document. Another comment that was changed, she said I had 'unlimited potential'. I didn't see much of the original, but that line somehow disappeared.


Of course the line disappeared, from her other bullets you highlighted it looks like, in fact, your potential is VERY limited at this point.

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Also, I'm not fat, not a PT failure, and no UCMJ. The only negatives she has to work with is whatever perception she's trying to create.


So the bottom line is that you and your boss don’t get along… and instead of busting your ass to change your style with the hopes of making the work relationship better, you thought you would say “Fuck her!”.. and maybe up until NCOER time you thought this was working… but now that you are getting an eval you don’t like, its time to attack?!?

If you would have conformed during the rating period and worked WITH your CPT instead of against her, maybe you would have gotten a better rating.

I have NEVER seen anyone be GIVEN a 4/4.. however I have seen plenty of people earn one... I am positive your leadership (NCO Support Chain especially) would not let this fly if they totally disagreed.

I don’t know you, and I don’t know your situation, but from what you are telling me there is nothing too shady going on. The bullets seem to match the rating (if anything there should likely be a Needs Improvement on the blocks with the “misses deadlines” and “requires persistent follow up…” bullets).

What I do know is this: You seem to not want to listen to your Rater and I can draw that conclusion from your ranting here and your decorum in dealing with advice and questions asked by myself and others. If the way you handled my simple questions is any indication of your overall attitude, then I am not surprised there is strife between you and your supervisor.

However, if you would like to continue the conversation, open you mind and see where senior leaders are coming from and their thought processes, and take the defensiveness out of your comments/replies (they will do you no good at this point) then maybe myself or others can help you.
Wow. Another ASSumption.

I expected better from the NCO ranks. Then again, they'll promote anyone these days.

She once lied on a memo...on a MEMO, saying I was late for an event where I'm standing at the door WAITING ON HER. I was there 25 min prior, and beat her there.

So if I'm 'late', what is she?

Or maybe I should add in all the times the (now retired) XO had to ask me 'where's your boss?' when he came by the office looking for her. She took days off when she felt like it without telling anyone.

Seriously, y'all need to shut the hell up because you have no f**king clue.
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Originally posted by BigSarge442:
I don’t know you, and I don’t know your situation,
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This is the only part of your post that made any sense at all.

To maintain any bearing at all, SARGE, this is all I'm going to say in response to you.

Have a nice f**king day.


Not going to lie....your online attitude REEKS of unprofessionalism. You should conduct a self-assessment before you start attacking other NCOs. Just saying.

Certainly, if you do indeed have "ammo" against this officer, more power to you, however, respect goes both ways. Where are the days of being the bigger person? Do you forget that you represent the NCO Corp?

Geez.... Big Grin
Not at all.

I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget...

I'm just saying, I expected better, particularly from a damn E-7. Here they come in here, making assumptions. I'm trying to bite my tongue somewhat on the situation, because the appeal process and the lie-filled memo she cooked up against me to build her case, a document that I'm rebutting, is still in the beginning stages.

You go your whole NCO career getting 1's and 2's (I got a 2/1 the year before, being brand new at the position, working out of my MOS), then in she comes, acting like she owns the place, rubbing everybody wrong in the process, thinking I'm going to sit back and accept a 4/4 lying down? If my work is so bad, why does she take credit for some of it (or tried to, I'm rebutting some of that, too)? Everything I do has to go through and be approved by her. Any ideas posed to her gets shut down without a thought? Take initiative on something? Ummm, that's a NO-GO in her book (I got counseled for taking initiative one time). Other leaders come to me for taskings (bypassing her because she's a pain in the ass to deal with) and she gets made AT ME for them doing that, as if I have control over senior NCO's and Officers.

These jokers don't know. I'm telling you. As far as calling someone 'Sarge' on an internet board, that, is informal for the most part (we could be anyone behind these computers...a PVT posing as a 1SG, for example), can't be that big of a deal. If I'm talking to a senior NCO live, of course I go through the proper protocol. Too much (seemingly negative) assumptions are being made here, without even knowing the half of it.
First, I'm a SFC not an E-7

SFC Martinez is SFC, not Sarge.

The reason you are garbage is not because you can't address people properly or just their screen name but, he presented valid legit points to you but you can't handle it.

Then, in order for you to maintain your bearing, you tell him to have a nice F'ing day?

Yea, you've maintained your bearing
Question: If you got counseled on taking the initiative, why did you not seek guidance from fellow NCOS or your 1SG or somebody, anybody who could have spoken to your CPT and said: "Ma'am, this counseling is a no-go, will not fly."

If there are so many issues with her leadership style, why did you not use the commander's open door policy? The CSM's? Why take all of this and NOT say anything?
Valid points. I should've raised the issue prior, but I've had leadership that was abrasive and ended up with a good rating. This 4/4 really blindsided me considering what I do, not only for my own unit, but others as well. I'm one of those real 'go to' guys for what I do.

Seriously, who would you give a 4/4 to? PT failures, seriously overweight types, someone who's been in legal trouble, or those who've endangered others through negligence or loss of sensitive items or something. None of that applies to me. I worked too damn hard this rating period for that BS, day and night, short notice, weekends. I'm there on crutches one time for an event. Seriously.

With a one-sided story, the perception can be depicted as truth. I'm not going to let that happen.
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Originally posted by TheBarbarian1532:
a "4" is a fair performance that represents NCOs who may require additional training/observation and should not be promoted at this time.

It doesn't mean you are weak, a 4 is a neutral rating.


What would you do if you got a 4 and felt that you deserved better?

You would do like any other NCO and raise hell.
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Originally posted by TheBarbarian1532:
What rating do you think you deserve and why?

What have you done this rated period to support such rating?


If I had to rate myself, I would say a 2/1. My PT score did dip, but part of that is because of increased office hours. That and I wasn't feeling well the day I took it, but that's how things go sometimes. I'm not going to be one of those that think they're a 1/1 every year, when all they do is show up for work, check email, take a long lunch, and call it a day. I've done way too much for this unit and other units for that. Way too much.

When Cmdrs and Sgts Major are calling you by name to handle projects for them, that's got to mean something. True story. She got mad at that command team because they gave me a coin and not her. Come on, now. What kind of childish s**t is that!

If I didn't point this out before, the NCO side of the house did put up a fight over this, but there wasn't anything they could do. I get rated and senior rated by Officers. What can you do. The burden's up to me to appeal. That's fine. All this is going to do is bring things to light that she's going to wish would've stayed covered up.
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As far as calling someone 'Sarge' on an internet board, that, is informal for the most part (we could be anyone behind these computers...a PVT posing as a 1SG, for example), can't be that big of a deal. If I'm talking to a senior NCO live, of course I go through the proper protocol. Too much (seemingly negative) assumptions are being made here, without even knowing the half of it.


I put my offical Signature block on all my posts for a reason. If you would like to contact my office, and speak to me over the phone to verify, check my ERB, or fly out to my location to verify the truthfulness of my "online presence" the I will help you arrange the travel.

I said nothing out of line. I used the information you gave me to deduce an opinion. You never posted your bullets as you stated you would, you never addressed any of my concerns/questions posed in my very long, well thought out, detailed and researched post to you. It is your job as the underperfoming Soldier to help sway me to your side and convince me to give you proper advice.

All you did is run your mouth, talk shit, get defensive and start name calling.

But you wont try and talk through the situation, you will just keep talking shit, and then cry when people talk shit back. You will maintain your 4/4 (or maybe a 2/2, 3/3 if you get your way) and go on about your life.

I told you to come here with proper questions and the people here would gladly help you. You have STILL yet to do that, seems like you've already earned the "continually missed deadlines and didn't follow through on several projects" bullet on this Internet Forum.

Oh and Congrats on your "coin"; stop by my desk some time and I will make it rain GO coins and tell you how awesome I am, then see if you will be in awe of my greatness... or how about I just send you my NCOERs rated by O-6s and Senior Rater by a Brig Gen.

I dont come here to argue with trolls or people who dont want to listen, I come here to try and help people; check my history.
My, that escalated quickly... My two cents, it's clear a 4/4 isn't your idea of a good NCOER, so go through the appeal process and hopefully you'll get the desired result in the end.

Something you should know, (and this is for future reference)when you come to this forum you will get people's opinions, and for the most part some good factual information pertaining to your current situation. However, you must bare in mind that you won't always get an answer that is palatable.

Last, this is an internet forum that is not governed by any military doctrine what so ever, so in reality all the throwing around of rank, and status is a waste of key strokes in my opinion. PVT to 4 star General, at Armystudyguide.com collars get tucked in and shoulder boards come off, that's coming from your friendly neighborhood buck Sergeant Smiler
I'll be a dick and jump in here because I see no one else caught it. You say you would give yourself a 2/1. So...if you only perform at a 2 in your current position...how in the hell do you think you can perform at a 1 for promotion and/or a position of GREATER responsibility...just my 2 cents...
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Originally posted by Illernoise:
I'll be a dick and jump in here because I see no one else caught it. You say you would give yourself a 2/1. So...if you only perform at a 2 in your current position...how in the hell do you think you can perform at a 1 for promotion and/or a position of GREATER responsibility...just my 2 cents...


I'll be a dick and respond, do you really think that someone can perform at a 2 and not have the potential to perform at a higher level? By you logic, every NCOER would have exact same rating for performance and potential.
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Last, this is an internet forum that is not governed by any military doctrine what so ever, so in reality all the throwing around of rank, and status is a waste of key strokes in my opinion. PVT to 4 star General, at Armystudyguide.com collars get tucked in and shoulder boards come off, that's coming from your friendly neighborhood buck Sergeant

I get what you are saying, and sometimes you have to be an asshole back to the people who are full of shit, thats kind of where I went with the whole thing.

And to be fair, I have NEVER stated that anyone should observe the whole rank thing on the internets... I agree that general discussions should be had, with no fear and with candid answers/responses.

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She's one of those types that tries to please higher, at any expense. That and she has virtually no respect for anyone with less rank than her. Trust me, Sarge, she's not that liked in the unit.
Look at who is talking about a clear and complete lack of respect… the same guy who calls a SFC “Sarge” with the intent to disrespect me and my comments/opinion (on an internet forum or not) I never would have brought the comment up (it honestly doesn’t bother me that much at all) but I wanted to highlight the hypocrisy in your statement. Hey pot, watch what you call the kettle… the truth might burn a bit.


However, when people throw around the "respect" thing (see above quoted text) and show a blatant disrespect to others (in general) then I like to call them out on it.

Bottom line is that dude doesnt like the advice, did nothing to help US help HIM, other than complain and talk shit. I can talk shit with the best of them, and I can throw my weight around on the web too... the only difference is that I can throw it around in real life as well ;-)
Also as an aside:

AR 623-3, Ch 4-13 para b.2:
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b. Once the decision has been made to appeal an evaluation report, the appellate will state succinctly what is being appeal and the basis for the appeal. For example the appellant will state-

(2) The basis for the belief that the rating officials were not objective or had an erroneous perception of his/her performance. Note that a personality conflict between the appellant and a rating official does not constitute grounds for a favorable appeal; it will be shown []b conclusively [/b] that the conflict resulted in an inaccurate or unjust evaluation.
c. Most appellants will never be completely satisfied with the evidence obtained. A point is reached, however, when the appellant will decide whether to submit with the available evidence or to forgo the appeal entirely. The following factors are to be considered:
(1) The evidence must support the allegation. The appellant needs to remember that the case will be reviewed by impartial board members who will be influenced only by the available evidence. Their decision will be based on their best judgment of the evidence provided.


DA PAM 623-3 CH 6-2, para d. 1
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(1) Before finalizing the appeal, an appellant should have the entire package reviewed by a trusted disinterested third party. This third party review may help remove emotionalism and poor logic from the case. The appeal package should not be submitted until the appellant is satisfied that they presented a logical, well-constructed case , as fully documented as possible.


This Solder could have come on here and given us examples of his evidence that he was using to fight the 4/4 on appeal; he could have asked about advice on gathering examples, he could have done tons of things.

If you can’t effectively communicate to a bunch of impartial Army personnel on the internet how do you expect to have an effective appeal?!?!

My first two posts came from an impartial third party who just wanted information on the situation, and asked the same questions anyone else would ask. However instead of using that info to HELP his case, he just ignored it all and went off on his own tangents.

You just can’t help some people.

Lastly it’s worth noting that you can’t even appeal your NCOER until it’s been signed and submitted to HRC. So you might be fighting for nothing at this point.

An appeal to an NCOER is a long, painful process, and believe it or not some of us out there have experience on one, or both sides of the coin. Not being a dick when asking for help will likely ensure that help arrives.
The reason I brought up the Army Values and getting YES's for all is because if you're given a 4, isn't it possible to be lacking in one or more of them?

If I'm 'continually missing deadlines' and 'did not follow through on SEVERAL projects' is that fulfilling obligations (DUTY)? Is it selfless service? Both of those bullets are BS, btw. She said it because THE BURDEN OF PROOF is not on her.

If you WANT to write a bad NCOER for anyone, you can do it. If you're not looking to screw the person over, you're not going to base it on negatives.

Instead of writing 'missed deadlines' tell the truth that the Soldier is 'taking on multiple projects at once'. Anything can affect a deadline. Stopping to take those mandatory classes, for example. Or a new training event comes up, and you have to partake in that.

Again, unless you're losing equipment, getting people hurt (not following safety protocols), or the Soldier just isn't cutting it, there's no reason to give a sh**ty NCOER. If you do 100 great things, it won't be negated by a couple bad things UNLESS those things are safety related, negligence, or legal trouble. I had NONE of those issues. None. Not a single one. There isn't any counseling to support her claims of missed deadlines. If I did miss these so called deadlines, why was there no counseling (you're not here to see...I'm telling you there was no counseling)? She only said it to fatten up her case.

A negative case against anyone not available to defend themselves or dispute the claim adds legitimacy to it, fake or otherwise. It's like talking bad about a dead man. Like I said, it's easy to screw a Soldier over, if that's the intent. But I have truthful against her lies that she put on a memo (like that sh*t makes them true) . I can prove she was lying...and will do so.

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