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Originally posted by SSG OIF 03-09:
After further reading, I think this answers my first question.

After selection, Active Duty NCOs will attend the US Air Force Contracting Academy,
Mission Airmen Ready Contract Apprentice Course (51C Reclassification Training/BNCOC -
equivalents), Lackland AFB, TX , 8 weeks in a TDY en-route status to their first initial
contracting assignment.

Source: http://asc.army.mil/career/pro...nco/nco_training.cfm


While technically, yes this is a possibility, be aware that since this is primarily an Air Force course and as such, I believe there are only 2-4 slots per class available at this location.

The alternate training location is at the University of Huntsville-Alabama in ALMC (Army Logistics Management College) attending AABC (Army Acquisition Basic Course). This is a 7 week course that also gives BNCOC equivalency if you do not already possess it.
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Originally posted by SSG OIF 03-09:
Thanks for all the good info for 51C in this topic.



b) I'm currently deployed (for the Nth time) and I'm trying to figure out if I'll get deployed for the Xth time as soon as I finish school. Where are the fresh graduates being sent right now? 51C, do you mind sending me the list where AL&T NCOs are getting stationed? (email: jose(dot)santamaria(at)ako) Thanks!

I'll probably have more questions sometime.


Most NCOs will have at least one year dwell time upon assignment to a contracting unit. You can not deploy until you are trained and this is one job where you need practical experience before heading out. From what I've seen, this is usually enforced, but as always, there are exceptions Smiler
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Originally posted by cooksparty:
51C could you please send me the assignements that a 51C receives and how often they would deploy? I am very interested and working on something now to change my MOS.

kelly.wooldridge@us.army.mil

Thanks


There are a couple of CCTs and a SCCT located at Carson, best idea would be go talk to some of them who are located there to get some more info specific to the job. They are located at the Directorate of Contracting (DOC) on post.
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Originally posted by 51C:
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Originally posted by SSG OIF 03-09:
Thanks for all the good info for 51C in this topic.



b) I'm currently deployed (for the Nth time) and I'm trying to figure out if I'll get deployed for the Xth time as soon as I finish school. Where are the fresh graduates being sent right now? 51C, do you mind sending me the list where AL&T NCOs are getting stationed? (email: jose(dot)santamaria(at)ako) Thanks!

I'll probably have more questions sometime.


Most NCOs will have at least one year dwell time upon assignment to a contracting unit. You can not deploy until you are trained and this is one job where you need practical experience before heading out. From what I've seen, this is usually enforced, but as always, there are exceptions Smiler

Chances are extremely good however that you will be deployed, just not right away. There is a huge ongoing mission for contracting personnel as the majority of the mission right now is being carried by the Air Force. You can also expect frequent TDY depending on where you are assigned. For example, I have a friend in Germany who got there in Jan/Feb timeframe. He went TDY for 2 weeks, came home for a month and is now TDY for 3 months in Bavaria. This is NOT a job for someone who is trying to stay CONUS bound. Hence part of the application where it states that you are currently deployable and will maintain this status. There has been talk that if you lose your deployable status (i.e MEB etc) that you will be re-classed. However, it is not official yet.
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Originally posted by Corvette1140:
51C, I know that there are always exceptions, but as a rule, how bad/good are the hours? In the rear are you on call all the time. Or can you count on your time off being time off?


At Lewis we typically worked from 0830 to 1600. The hours down here are about the same. I've never seen anyone called in, we are typically exempt from any duty. When your BN MTOE is 8 people and the teams are 4, there is very little room for BS to go on as far as duties etc. Where I am, I know we are exempt from all post ran duty rosters etc.

You have to remember that you are primarily working with a civilian work force who does not work past their normal time. The only exception that I've seen is at end of year (late August - Sept) we started working longer at Lewis. The last week was 7 days a week, although the military typically didn't work as long on the weekends as the civilians.

Another caveat however is the availability to deploy. If any sort of contingency happens where Soldiers would be deployed to, you can bet that a 51C is going to be there first to set up support. We were at Katrina, California wildfires, typhoons in Asia, etc. Although rare, it is a possibility.

Missions TDY happen either a lot or very little depending on where you are at. Typically before you deploy, you can expect to goto NTC to support a BDE. You will get there a week earlier and leave a week later. BUT you are there fully TDY, staying in a hotel, drawing full per diem, rental car etc because of the mission requirements.

Deployed, totally different story. Most CCOs that I've talked to will work 12-16 hour days, 7 days a week. There is a huge, increasing workload and not enough people to do it. But a lot of that can be said about any MOS. Depending on where you are deployed, it always isn't a "fob job". If the things you need are out in a market, your gonna go out there to interface with the public to procure them to support the Soldier. With things in Iraq/Afghan now, this usually isn't due to the infrastructure in place.

Back to your original question, this has been one of the best things for my family. My wife loves that she will know what time I will be home everyday and when I have to go into work. I keep a cell phone 24x7, but I've yet to have really needed it.
Good morning, my name is SSG Anderson and I am stationed at Ft. Lewis, WA with the 202nd BSB. I am looking into reclassing into the 51C MOS. I have a Bachelors degree and have 12 years of Active military service. I also have a 42A secondary MOS and have 5 years of experience in this MOS. I am currently a 92M. What are my chances of getting into this MOS and being able to reenlist for this MOS and being stationed at Ft. Lewis? Please advise.

Thank you
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Originally posted by joesbizz47:
Good morning, my name is SSG Anderson and I am stationed at Ft. Lewis, WA with the 202nd BSB. I am looking into reclassing into the 51C MOS. I have a Bachelors degree and have 12 years of Active military service. I also have a 42A secondary MOS and have 5 years of experience in this MOS. I am currently a 92M. What are my chances of getting into this MOS and being able to reenlist for this MOS and being stationed at Ft. Lewis? Please advise.

Thank you


You don't re-enlist to get this MOS, it is a voluntary reclassification that is done with a packet. Put the packet together and apply, I know they are still taking people. A lot of the course information is changing right now.

Go talk the people at the 902nd CC BN. They are located over by MAMC. Go across the street from the main entrance and down the hill to the left. They will be on the right hand side in a big trailer looking building located next to TDS I believe. They should be able to answer some questions better in person than I can through here.
When I applied early last year, I was notified in 3 days via my Career Counselor. Currently however, I believe it can take up to two - three months to find out. If you have any questions about the status, I'd contact either the branch manager or the proponency SGM. He is a pretty approachable guy and will let you know what is going on.
I have been in contact with the 51C SGM and his response to me was "You can't submit a packet until you are at least 12 months form PCSing" Ihave been in the Army for a minute, but I will not pretend to understand all of the regulations in the Army. Does this statement reflect the fact that my unit is currently deployed? Anyone have any info on this matter?
51C, just seeking a little clarification into some of the stuff I read in the post. You have to finish a degree within 3 years of being in the MOS correct? I am currently working on a degree is real estate but not close to finishing..just wanted ot make sure I could finish it within those 3 years and still be good to go. Also I am currently in Korea, due to PCS in May so will I still have sufficient time to complete my packet and submit it and get a response back about go or no go before I leave korea correct? Thanks
So 51C NCO am I to understand that even though I am in an overstrength MOS that I will not be allowed to be assessed into the MOS until 1 March of 2011 (ETS March 2012) in spite of 92A20 and 92A30 being overstrengh MOS's?

Also what happens to a SM who is not able to complete his/her degree requirements in the alloted time are they put out as needs of the Army or are they discharged because they usually are either SSG's or SFC's I take it by the time there 3 years are over.
Things are changing quite a bit right now from when I originally got into the program. From what I understand, as long as you are making sufficient progress towards your degree, you get to stay. But you have to understand that in order to be fully MOSQ, you are required to be DAU certified. Which in turn, requires a Bachelors.
51C last few questions. On average how long does it take to go from submitting your application to being told if you were accepted or not. And lastly, what is the projections for promotions to senior levels looking like. Since its mostly SSGs applying is it a logjam to get to SFC and above?
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Originally posted by Commo Sergeant:
51C last few questions. On average how long does it take to go from submitting your application to being told if you were accepted or not. And lastly, what is the projections for promotions to senior levels looking like. Since its mostly SSGs applying is it a logjam to get to SFC and above?


I found out 3 days after I faxed the packet to the propenent office. I think right now it is taking anywhere from 20-45 days to find out. The fy 08 SFC board promoted 6 people and had slots for 13. No one else was eligible. This years board promoted 26 out of 32 people. All sequence numbers were called by the 2 month.

This MOS is top heavy, but at the same time, there are more slots for SFC and MSG than there are for SSG. Promotion potential from what I've seen is outstanding.
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Originally posted by Commo Sergeant:
51C last few questions. On average how long does it take to go from submitting your application to being told if you were accepted or not. And lastly, what is the projections for promotions to senior levels looking like. Since its mostly SSGs applying is it a logjam to get to SFC and above?


My Retention NCO submitted my packet from Iraq in mid-June and I got an email from SGM Jones in 1 July saying that I got accepted. The MOS is also accepting E-5's and they will be automatically promoted to E-6 when they finish the reclassification training. I also read that you need 24mos in the MOS before you get a look for E-7.
I submitted my packet in the beginning of June and have recieved 0 correspondance either way. When I called to inquire, actually spoke to the OIC there. I then recevied an email from SGM Jones stated that "You can't submit a packet until you are at least 12 months from PCSing" DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE TO BE AT MY DUTY STATION 12 MONTHS?
I am looking at dropping the 4187. I recieved a SRB for my last re-up that was signifigant. At completion of this deployment I am on I will have comleted the first 2 years of the the 6 year re-up (TIS). I am worried about the re-coup, especially with it being in the 4187 wording. Has anyone who's done this been re-couped of their SRB for sure? If I have 2 of the 6 year hitch doen is it pro-rated recoupment? Are the taxes lost from lump SRB calculated prior to their re-coupment? If re-couped is it taken over a set period at X amount per month, or do you just get a no pay due for like a year? Many questions I know, but I am an E7 and seem to be ideally placed to do this...and my current MOS blows at my pay grade.
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Originally posted by BrynDiesel:
I am looking at dropping the 4187. I recieved a SRB for my last re-up that was signifigant. At completion of this deployment I am on I will have comleted the first 2 years of the the 6 year re-up (TIS). I am worried about the re-coup, especially with it being in the 4187 wording. Has anyone who's done this been re-couped of their SRB for sure? If I have 2 of the 6 year hitch doen is it pro-rated recoupment? Are the taxes lost from lump SRB calculated prior to their re-coupment? If re-couped is it taken over a set period at X amount per month, or do you just get a no pay due for like a year? Many questions I know, but I am an E7 and seem to be ideally placed to do this...and my current MOS blows at my pay grade.


I was under a SRB when I re-enlisted and was told it would not be recouped. It fell under the same thing as the ADO green to gold people. Career progression or something like that. Heck, I even got the 2k bonus on top of it.
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Originally posted by 21TANGOSSG:
I submitted my packet in the beginning of June and have recieved 0 correspondance either way. When I called to inquire, actually spoke to the OIC there. I then recevied an email from SGM Jones stated that "You can't submit a packet until you are at least 12 months from PCSing" DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE TO BE AT MY DUTY STATION 12 MONTHS?


I think it means you should be within 12-months from PCSing to your next duty station. I think what the Army is trying to avoid is for a SM to move to a new duty station and then PCS again so soon. A possible suggestion is if you're already over 12 mos at your current duty station, if allowed (possible gray area), is to request from your reup guys to go to a new duty station. And if your request is granted, then you should be within 12mos from PCSing. I'm not sure if this falls under "shady-dealing", it is just a suggestion.
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Originally posted by McQ321:
Hey 51C, maybe you know the answer to this question, it says in my acceptance letter that I must reenlist to meet SRR within 30 days of my graduation of the 51C school. If this is so, will I be eligible for the CSRB also?


I'm sort of curious to know where you see 51C being listed under the CSRB program.
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Originally posted by 21TANGOSSG:
That is what gets me, I have been at Fort Bragg since 2002. So as far as moving too many times that rules that out. ????


I'm sorry, I'm not sure what might be the issue. I know people are required to have been on station for at least 12 months before applying because most of the time you will PCS following completion of training.
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Originally posted by BUDGETSSG:
I'm scheduled to go to school in March, will I find out my follow on assignment prior to going or after graduating?


You should find out prior to your attending class. Did you just find out recently or have you known since before June 29th? If you have known for a while, I can check the ECC gains roster, you might be on it.
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Originally posted by Corvette1140:
By how busy this post is it sounds as though the secret is out. How many requests come your way as of recently 51C for Acquisitions?


I know of at least 45 NCO who were accessed into the program within the past 45 days. Add that to a current end strength of around 140, and a FY 10 authorization of I believe 225-250.

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