68V a really good move!

When I first started looking for information about the 6bV program, I was amazed about the dated info that left many Sailors and Soldiers completely in the dark. So I did what others were just talking about, and started it....on my free time to help our organization. Currently my wife and I are down in Ft Sam Houston, TX. the longer I am here the more we like the area. The 68V MOS itself is rather difficult since everything is high octane. Once the green and blue (Navy) suitors come in to teach it gets even harder. It has put people out of the MOS or perhaps the Army that do not pull their weight. However, it is a great program that pays well on the outside (always making civilian lists of top 25 jobs that pay over 25.00 an hour) and reasonable standard of living while Active Duty. If there are some soldiers that are looking to reclass, I don't think a troop could be happier besides special forces medic, but then we are talking apples and oranges. It is still a shortage MOS so anyone that has questions about 68V, I can do my best to get pertinent info to them. Let me know! Because at this time it is a rather inside guide for Students, Teachers, and Career Counselors to get smart on this uniquely evolving specialty.
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Isn't 68V only understrength for E5? I just looked at the MILPER message from www.armyreenlistment.com and in the E4 column it says NA. What does it me to have a NA, are there no Spc's in that MOS, I know I sound dumb but I am getting ready to re-enlist for my first time and I have to reclass because my MOS is overstrength (92Y) so I am looking at 68K but then I read your post about 68V. Checked the MILPER message and that's what it said. I don't understand.

Thanks!
Get an Egan's Fundamentals of Respiratory Care 9th edition when you can. It isn't cheap. But once you get here it will be like drinking knowledge from a fire hose. So if you can get any head start it would highly benefit you. Unlike every other Army school I have been to, there is no pushing people through here. I study on average about an hour a day and 2 hours on weekend days. We have lost 2 soldiers thus far and one is on the razors edge. If he fails one more test he is done. Normal class size is around 20 and normal washout is about 2-3. In the meantime the wisdom I could let you in on would be to do anything medical related in the meantime, such as Combat Lifesaver. I came to this class from Recruiting so it was going from the worst assignment to just a difficult all though rewarding assignment. The troops having the roughest times have came from some relaxed MOSes and now they HAVE to study and buckle down if they are to pass the Registry. You will receive a full Associates Degree through Thomas Edison State College with full absolute credentials to the civilian world. So you can have the ability to work weekends in the civilian sector starting at 25 an hour and time and a half after 40 hours.

Also with all the cuts to the military: Changes in RCP, 49K gone by 2015 it is good to know I will always have something in my back pocket that I could comfortably live off of. You made a really great decision.

Also try to get your E-5 before you come here as there will be no boards for the roughly one year that you will be here.

So what MOS are you coming from?
Hey corvette, i ihave a question, I am currently a 42A SGT and I am really looking into this MOS as it is either time to reclass or reup, but my real question is since the school is so long is it considered a PCS move? the reason I am asking is because I am dual military and my husband outranks me so would he be able to PCS with me? We are currently at Fort Hood. Not sure if you can asnwer this but I just want to know so that I can let him know. But other then that where is the OJT done for a 68V. I currently don't have any college Math so would it be easier for me to get those pre-requisites out the way in order to qualify for the degree? Thanks!
Corvette,
Thanks for that finely detailed description. I report in Jan of 2012, can you tell me is there anything that will be implemented for that cycle? How is it on regular basis? I read that PT is only on Monday, Wenesday, and Friday. What is the rest of the week like? How much does it differ from other medical MOS's that are at?
Sorry for not getting back to you guys sooner. The class is a PCS move (as with any MOS with training longer than 20 weeks). The hands on/didactic phase is done at Brooke Army Medical Center, which while it technically isn't on Ft. Sam Houston, it is less than a mile away.

I would strongly encourage on post housing, the traffic is pretty bad (it says a lot since my last assignment was NYC).

Once AGAIN I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE on post housing. The commute is really starting to get to me after the typical 12-13 hour day, plus you HAVE to study for this school.
With my class it was moved to advanced, so while it was possible to pass in the past without studying, this is no longer a reality.
A good habit is to review an hour a night.
So now I think you guys have better clarity on the ON POST housing. 12 hour day minimum, add an hour commute home with traffic in the evening, add an hour studying, and about a half hour commute in the morning. So realistically it is about 14.5 to 16 hour day if you aren't close to post. It would behoove you.
Corvette,
I did a voluntary reclass and the reclass came back with TDY enroute (not evening showing on the on orders list yet, that's Drum for you), my class starts January 2012, will it change or was it a straight PCS move for you from the beginning? How often do you do PT? I would like to go for the EFMB is that something you are able to do say at the end of your school before you head out to where ever you maybe going?
Those are odd orders since all the soldiers other than Reservists are PCSed here, with their families if they have them. MOSes with over 20 week AIT's should be PCS moves. I can't give guidance on EFMP since I don't know of any Soldiers I have ever served that have used it in my current school, or even last MOS. PT is M,W,F with study halls on Tu, and Th. It is the new PT program. If you can, buy Eagan's Fundamentals of Respiratory Therapy, latest volume. Believe it or not you will cover the whole book in well under a year, and it will be your bible.
Corvette,
Did they extend your orders or was it that long from the beginning? Since the course is longer has the intensity slowed some or did they add more to it? Lastly do you take the national exam before graudation and do you have to send off for your dergree from TESC or do they present it to you upon graduation?
I have only graduated Phase I thus far, so our class is still the test run for the degree producing program.

Fortunately, my Career Counselor was on point from the beginning and was up to speed on the recent class length extension (especially in 2009 when I re-upped so he was REALLY on top of his $HIT). Some Soldiers here were not and had to extend or actually re-enlist to meet a MANDATORY 36 month SRR (service remaining requirement) AFTER course completion.

The course is difficult, its possible to pass a couple of tests without studying, but most exams will need you to devote many hours if you expect to do well. All exams other than TESC ones will need you to pay close attention in class because some exam questions are touched on very briefly, and if you aren't paying attention, then that will be one you'll get wrong. The exams for actual subject matter (not TESC) are so difficult that no one has scored a perfect score. We had a quiz that one did, but actual exams, be prepared to work your a$$ off for 80's. It is possible to half-a$$ study and get a passing score (I did it a couple of times), but once it was uncomfortable close so I stopped that habit quickly. 70 and above is passing, if you fail 2X for the same exam...any exam, even ones very close to the end, they actually put you out. It is a good thing, but I really haven't seen it elsewhere in the conventional Army, and didn't believe it till people actually started getting the boot.

I don't know if the intensity has slowed, because I do not have a gauge to compare previous classes with. Ensure the family (especially wife) understands the long hours and difficulty and you should be fine provided you have good study habits. At first (AFTER Thomas Edison State College Classes) until you get the swing of things you will probably end up neglecting many areas of your life because you want to pass, ensure loved ones understand this.

At Phase II class completion you will take what is called the CRT, and contrary to some mis-informed people (even some instructors) you will be eligible to immediately take the RRT. The class (during my time here) changed to an Advanced Level so there is no longer a two year wait before you can take the RRT.

If TESC is as high speed (I say that sarcastically) as they have been from go, we will most likely receive our Associates in the mail shortly after Phase II completion. So it may be something to ensure is sent to a parent's house to ensure it doesn't get sent to a dated address during a PCS move. (not 100% on the last one but will to bet 20 bucks on it).

I really wish the TESC could be scheduled after all the difficult courses, because it isn't difficult at all (typical college 101 courses) and it sets some students up for failure in the belief that the rest of the course will be this way.

Any other questions just let me know so I can keep the forum posted.
They can be from High School as long as you have a C or better. Your High School should still have these. Your Career Counselor may request official copies of these so your HS may have to send them directly to them.

I read somewhere from some really bad website with almost always consistently bad, DATED info (I think it was www.about.com) that it needs to be within the last 5 years....not true. You do need it though.
Thanks for the quick response, Corvette.

So, to summarize what I understand the prerequisites to be:

- Algebra (1 year HS or 1 semester college)
- Chemistry (1 year HS or 1 semester college, no lab required)
- English 1 (1 semester college)
- Any Humanities class (1 semester college)

* Minimum grade of C for all classes
** CLEP is acceptable
*** Official transcripts must be sent to TESC prior to reporting

Additionally, the first 8 weeks of class include the general ed requirements English 2, Social Studies, and College Math, but if you have all those college credits you actually report to class 8 weeks later than the start date (that info is from ATRRS).

Also, there's a recommended 8-subject online prep course at http://www.cs.amedd.army.mil/ddl/SATP91V.asp and a handful of recommended AMEDD Correspondence Courses available through ALMS... plus future students should pick up a copy of Egan's Fundamentals of Respiratory Care.

Whew... Did I forget anything? It may seem like a lot, but it's such a great opportunity for enlisted soldiers. My class starts in September. I reenlisted for it back in January 2010, and it seemed like a lifetime away. It's finally getting close and I'm getting excited!

Thanks again!
The first 8 weeks are English, PSYCHOLOGY, and College Math, and even if you ALREADY have them I still had to go, they were very simple, but they took up your time. However, Navy was able to start 8 weeks later since they needed these classes already.

You can do the prep courses before hand, I do not think anyone in my class did them. It will still be very difficult and even with focused studying its probable that you'll get 80's. With the Egan's Fundamentals of Respiratory Care make sure it is at least the 9th, or tenth edition. Also, if married ensure your housing is either on post or VERY near it, a long commute through evening traffic gets old lightning fast. If you listen to those gems and have the simple Soldier stuff (right time,place,uniform, pass PT) then you'll be set up for success. Recently make sure that you have 36 months SRR (service Remaining Requirement) after course completion, for some reason about half the class did not.
Corvette,

As far as in-processing goes, do you remember the steps and paperwork needed? ERB, NCOER, orders, leave form? Check into D co.? and ON POST housing is allowed for PCS students if it's not full? So I should definitely check with on post housing and see if that's okay. I appreciate all the good info. in this thread. Thanks alot.
v/r

v/r
You will need all of the typical in-processing paperwork, but I really can not recall turning in a NCOER, possibly due to it technically being Initial training? D Co., behind the old (BAMC) hospital is where you check in. On post housing is allowed for students if you are obviously married, and once more I strongly encourage it. It can be full from time to time. I didn't take advantage of it, and now have about a hour commute home every night, even though it only takes about 15 minutes to be at work by 0525.

Today we are actually starting on the hands on portion in Phase II. While there are great instructors/staff in both Phase I and II, I wish I had a post like this during Phase I because there were a lot of questions that other students and myself couldn't get any answers to in Phase I. It just seemed as though the flow of info could have been better between Phase I and II.

You get to go into work later at Phase II, but you stay much longer. The atmosphere is much more conductive to learning at Phase II I feel. It may just have been that way because we were the 1st class with the Associates program, so along with that comes more of a "dog and pony show". Even the class slightly behind us are out hours before we were, and they appear to have more freedom. So your class may have less restrictions. It sounds as though you are already an NCO, and one of the issues I had (and you may as well) are that some IETers really think when you give them bad news (we have to stay till 1800-for example),that you are the one that dreamed up the bull$hit, when really you are just relaying info and attempting to make sure it is enforced. All in all I would still do it over, so I sincerely feel it can be the right move for many self-driven Soldiers.
Corvette,

Awesome advise, and I really appreciate it. I don't know if you play golf or not, but if you want to hit the links one weekend for a break, let me know. My wife and I just made it down here, and I will report 02MAY11 for Phase 1 of the 68V class. Thanks again for all of your help. agoedereis@gmail.com if you do get a free minute and want to meet up. It's easy to say for me because I'm on leave right now, and probably need to be studying more myself. But I thought I'd see. Thanks again for your responses.

v/r
Corvette,
How is Phase II coming along? Did you get a break in between Phases? Do you plan on taking the RRT after school? Also do you know where you are going after School? My school date is in January when should I ask for a specific duty station? How is BAMC?
Thanks for the invite man, my in-laws are coming down this week and I love em' and all but I really wish that they could wait till later. Its not that time is that "crunched" at the moment, but like I said the hours are long and the damn commute is getting old. Any time off I just want to couch potato.

If your wife is a worker by nature, and she has came from a full time position and worked full time for more than a year, ensure she draws unemployment ****MISSION CRITICAL**** it WILL help with finances till she is back on her feet financially. This way she can take her time selecting her next position, instead of grabbing the first position at Taco Bell Express that opens part time to get a paycheck. Attach a copy of your PCS orders with submission of unemployment, and in some cases even less than a full year may qualify if PCS related. Stay up on PT, I had about 54 days leave between duty stations, and was still OK (some troops though...not saying you, just need 2 weeks to leap out of standard).

Phase II breakdown is small groups of 4-5 that go through Hospital Wards (Wards), Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU), Pediatric Intensive Care Unit (PICU), Institute of Surgical Research (ISU) aka burn center, Medical ICU (MICU), and Surgical ICU (SICU). I believe it is about 16 weeks in Phase II. PT here is conducted 3 days a week at the gym. Its been good so far, as long as someone doesn't ruin it for everyone else. The thing about it is that even profile Soldiers are working out more effectively than I have seen them before. It makes me wish the Army could do this regularly, and the ones that don't comply, get fried.

There was no break in Phases as previous classes have encountered. You'll get graduation afternoon off. You can count on Xmas exodus for 2 weeks leave starting around the 20th Dec. I stayed since you had a morning accountability formation and that was it. Still had holiday 4 days. So if you could swing it, its really like free leave. I am going to try to take as much leave from here to the next duty station as possible so SAVE YOUR LEAVE. There is a strong chance with the schools historic washout rate, that branch will not cut the Soldiers PCS orders until the last 3 weeks or less. Sometimes even much less. They have to make sure you pass, so that is their method to the madness. So you can see how especially if you are reporting to an OCONUS location having ample leave becomes exponentially more important. Especially if you are hit with Korea hardship tour for example. You can ensure that your Assignment Satisfaction Key is current, and that would be your best bet. Phase II has had a lot of issues with this (last minute PCS orders), they have briefed us that we are not to call the branch manager as he has been spiteful in the past, and nagging Soldiers have been put on undesirable assignments due to nagging. I did call him well before school even started, and he seemed like an OK guy to me, but I wasn't hounding about assignments either.

BAMC is really state of the art, and I feel it is the best Army MTF I have seen. There are a few bad apples, but overall, you'll be impressed.

I plan on taking the RRT after the course, I will try and see if my unit after V school can pay for the RRT since I understand it to be more than a few hundred dollars.

If you know of any creative ways to have civilian certifications paid for, I am all ears.

For other Soldiers waiting a year or more like I did after re-enlistment before school start, you can still attend ALC for your loosing MOS, and I would encourage this just in case you wash out. That, and part I ALC is Common Core that is non MOS specific so you will need it eventually anyways.

Halo_83 please let the forum know if post housing is full or not since I am sure some of your soon to be comrades in this MOS will look to our posts for inside info. Welcome to Ft. SamHouston.
Unfortunately, what I saw that was close by and even looked nice, had section 8 programs too near by for my taste. It may be in your best interest to use a (or a few) real estate agent(S) to find an ideal smaller rental home if not living on post. Because there are nice homes near by, but nice apartments, I have only seen one area that meets my families standards (that are close). Legacy Heights on 1320 Austin Highway does this, but it basically takes all your BAH, has $500 per pet deposit, and you will still have to pay utilities. However, close by, VERY nice, no dirtbags live near by it so your cars stereo should be a little safer. That would be the ONLY place my wife and I would live that is close other than rental homes. You'll see what I am talking about since many of the apartment complexes close to Ft. Sam look nice outside, and then you see little kids riding around that look like their parents haven't given them a bath in weeks (seriously, worse than many Iraqi kids I have seen)and then the sun goes down and neighbors music goes wayyyy up, and you have to worry about if your family is safe from not just crime, but San Antonio is a fairly big city, but actual hard crimes like flat out homicide. Get on post, Legacy Heights, or a nice smaller home rental and you and your family will not regret it, and you will be able to concentrate on the important things.

If my wife and I end up staying at Ft. Sam once final orders are cut, that is what we will do, since we are out by Randolph AFB, and while it is very nice, I spend $300-$400 on gas a month on the ONLY 12 mile commute that stays traffic jammed and robs an hour and a half almost every day of my life. The good news wherever you decide on when you 1st get here if you want to move at the end of the complete Phase II course graduation, and orders keep you in Ft. Sam as a duty assignment the Army will move you at their expense and labor.
The trouble is that most of your nicer apartments will request the same, so it may be that a smaller rental home will be your best option. I have always had a larger dog before the Army, but when my wife and I finally chose to rescue a dog in the Army we made sure he was under 25 lbs. so with regular PCS moves it wouldn't pose as much of a problem.
So some more good news for future 68V's. The schoolhouse is transitioning from being headed by AMEDD to being ran by METC. Same Instructors, brand new building, and equipment, and training aids.

Here is the downside, many of their test questions will be from past CRT exams, which means they are DAMN hard, so I don't know how this will pan out in future classes during Phase I.

Still very achievable though. Just try to keep home close to post. Remember important days to keep the wife happy (Anniversary, B-Day, and sometimes a complete surprise) that can sometimes let them know how much ya care and think about them. So things like that will make your days easier.

So far, I like working with the old folks, that can talk sensibly anyways, I guess it is because many of them remind me of my Grandparents that I have no more of.

The drug addicts are my least desired patients, since they chose to ruin their health/lives. I was under the misunderstanding that MTFs (Military Treatment Facilities) handle obviously, Service-members, Spouses, dependents, and retirees. But there are some completely civilian patients that if close enough when an accident happens, or banged up enough they need to be civilian airlifted in, come here. Well get em better.

The drug abusing patients I'm talking about pretty much do everything wrong in the book from steal, forge, prostitute, you name it to get drugs, and they were born here in America. So lets really face it, they wouldn't have starved to death, if they didn't steal (like many a 3rd world shithole) and no one put a gun to their head and forced them to use every drug they could put in their veins.

While if I were to cross one of the the streets in the facility to the Center for the Intrepid, I would see Servicemen and women coming back from TRIPLE amputees, and horrid burns doing everything that they can to just become productive again, and do simple $hit like wipe.

We have all seen some banged up Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airman. But watching these troops put full effort to get their lives back again, makes me feel as though my struggles are like a speck of sand on the beach. I find great reward in enhancing these troops lives.

The downside is that I loose more and more empathy for natural born American citizens, who have had a lifetime of bad decisions THEY made, and further enhanced through HARD drug abuse.

I guess in my mind I have already prepared to see older people pass away before reclassing, to see some candidly ....scary burn victims and many troops with all types of trauma. Then within the same 5 minutes see people just flushing the greatest gift our maker has given us down the Shitter. That dichotomy is what I have seen to be the only bad side to Phase II.

We'll make the most of it, after all there are some of the finest Soldiers I am proud to say that I am associated with, that need me, you, this forum to get them as good as we can.
Me and my family just arrived here to Fort Sam on Friday and I am taking this week to look for housing. I was told by base housing that there was a 1 to 3 month wait list. My report date is 2 May and I was just wondering if anyone else had any luck finding a place off base?
I plan on the next week or 2 personally paying a visit FACE to FACE to housing to guage fact from fiction. It can sometimes pay exponentially to do that kind of stuff in a world of emails and phone calls.

I have always heard the 1-3 month wait at every installation and have never met anyone anywhere I HAVE served that has waited longer than 3 weeks.

So the other recent new 68V candidates in the area, can anyone inform the forum as to real life wait times as of current verses blanket answer 1-3 month waits?
Corvette,
Thanks again for all that you do in keeping this forum updated especially for spouses so that may hear it from someone who has "boots on ground" opposed to a bunch of maybe's and might be's. How is "Season 2" coming along? I was wondering how do you plan on going about finding where you are headed next? I'm sure with all that you do on a regular it must be hard to have to wait 3 weeks before you graduate to plan a PCS move? I am heeding your advice not to bug the branches but I would like to know something As Soon As Humanly Possible because I'm sure you know good housing in a good neighborhood when PCS'ing is very hard to come by and not an overnight achievable task. I am due to school in January so before the deployment is over and before I leave the unit I will make sure ERB is updated as well as ASK.
Corvette, you mentioned "one of your Soldiers," and I realized that I hadn't even wondered about a lot of Army-type questions I'd love to know the answers to...

1. Are there leadership positions in class? If yes, do you train and counsel outside of class?

2. Do we get NCOERs while in school?

3. Do you qualify on APFT, weapons, and/or ruck marches?

4. Are common tasks ("10-level tasks" or "Warrior Tasks") trained or tested on?

5. Do we do NCOPD?

6. Are there duties like CQ and Staff Duty?

7. Are there details like Funeral Detail, Red Cycle, and Courtesy Patrol?

8. Do we do "Payday Activities?"

9. Do we do Bn/Bde/Div runs or formations?

10. Does the school observe any Honor Grad, Comandant's List, or anything like that?


Jeez... you spend a few years in the regular Army and you forget that the rest of the world doesn't run quite the same way. Even the rest of the Army doesn't work quite the same way, so it helps to ask how they do it where you're headed.

Thanks!

SGT Z
I arrived at Fort Sam Houston on Friday April 22 and was told that the wait for housing would be the 1-3 months, but I recieved a call on Thurday the 28 that there was a house available on the 4th of May. From what they said there are a lot of people who are on the list but are on hold due to haveing a lease already or have not told housing that they already found place. Hopefully if you are waiting for base housing then they call you just as quick.
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Originally posted by SGT 68V:
Corvette,
Thanks again for all that you do in keeping this forum updated especially for spouses so that may hear it from someone who has "boots on ground" opposed to a bunch of maybe's and might be's. How is "Season 2" coming along? I was wondering how do you plan on going about finding where you are headed next? I'm sure with all that you do on a regular it must be hard to have to wait 3 weeks before you graduate to plan a PCS move? I am heeding your advice not to bug the branches but I would like to know something As Soon As Humanly Possible because I'm sure you know good housing in a good neighborhood when PCS'ing is very hard to come by and not an overnight achievable task. I am due to school in January so before the deployment is over and before I leave the unit I will make sure ERB is updated as well as ASK.


So as far as securing assignments for after graduation of Phase II, it is just going to be the luck of the draw. What I am able the gather is that with Walter Reed (BRAC) Base Realignment and Closure going on there. Good chances of a good portion of my class, all the way through roughly your class (in January) having 20+% going there and BAMC where the Phase II is actually being conducted (since they are growing their #'s of RT's there as well). The rest will be here and there assignments that are luck of the draw. I even have a TS clearance and was hoping this may have some bearing in assignments. Not for this MOS (many times for 68K-lab techs it can though).

Personally what I will do, as soon as I find out where I am going to once orders are cut, that SAME day I will call that installations post housing and get put on their waiting list. Being put on the waiting list does not obligate the Soldier, so it is a good thing to have already started.

Actually, you should probably do this now SGT 68V for Ft. Sam, this way once you get here, if you like the housing you WILL already be a shoe-in. I don't know the #, but google should turn it up. If you get the ph# please post it so others can get themselves situated as well. Like I mentioned before I will be stopping by there in the near future, but I am sure you will probably get to it before me.
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Originally posted by 5C00PN15K3R:
Corvette, you mentioned "one of your Soldiers," and I realized that I hadn't even wondered about a lot of Army-type questions I'd love to know the answers to...

1. Are there leadership positions in class? If yes, do you train and counsel outside of class?

2. Do we get NCOERs while in school?

3. Do you qualify on APFT, weapons, and/or ruck marches?

4. Are common tasks ("10-level tasks" or "Warrior Tasks") trained or tested on?

5. Do we do NCOPD?

6. Are there duties like CQ and Staff Duty?

7. Are there details like Funeral Detail, Red Cycle, and Courtesy Patrol?

8. Do we do "Payday Activities?"

9. Do we do Bn/Bde/Div runs or formations?

10. Does the school observe any Honor Grad, Comandant's List, or anything like that?


Jeez... you spend a few years in the regular Army and you forget that the rest of the world doesn't run quite the same way. Even the rest of the Army doesn't work quite the same way, so it helps to ask how they do it where you're headed.

Thanks!

SGT Z


1.Yes, you do have leadership positions and they are a double edge sword. You do not, and can not counsel Soldiers outside of class (other than verbally). So, in essence it leads to neutered squad/class leader positions that get almost none of the praise and ALL of the BS There are of course some junior and Reserve Soldiers that aren't yet used to the Army telling them what to do so you will get some resistance. Granted, I also don't personally enjoy telling people what to do, but have to delegate, in order to accomplish all that needs to be done in a day. Some of the junior troops really think that you just make $hit up to make their life difficult, because they haven't seen it before back in their Reserve unit. With these troops you really can't get it through their head, it is what it is. They'll get the bigger picture eventually, but you'll be the one that is breaking the "ice" so to say.

2. There will be no NCOER's in the school, you will be cut a DA form 1059, just like from WLC, ALC and other service schools.

3. APFT will not go away, and some Soldiers have had issue with this. I think 12 out 24 of the 1st Phase failed it. Just a testament to the new APFT program's effectiveness....lol. So, when you get here make sure you are good to go, since it could be an easy month with no EFFECTIVE PT (the new program is a joke) before you take the test in Phase I. You will also get one in Phase II, so be ready for it then.

Weapons qualification will be out of the picture in most TRADOC arenas so ensure your range before here is EXPERT since it will be a while before you go again. Ruck marches I have not seen, as well as combatives, and other similar conventional Army stuff, after all some troops will not even have full TA-50 since the Reservists in your class will be new to the Army, all others are Prior Service.

4. CTT is not trained for, and there is no field time here.

5. Those in the class will not do NCOPD as we are "students", if stationed here you will though.

6. There is CQ, and Staff Duty.

7. Flag Honor, and cone detail. These are the only details now. It should not change, but could for your class.

8. Soldiers in the barracks will have Payday activities such as barracks inspections, time wasting formations (usually only once a day, off post Soldiers as well) but will not be released anymore than say 15 minutes earlier for the day. 1600-1700 with almost no flexibility (other than emergencies or solid appointments being the exception).

9. BTN/BDE, and fun runs, that some Soldiers get voluntold for, as well as PT will be what the Army asks of you here. Formations for all Soldiers usually only once (sometimes rarely 2X a day).

10. Honor Grad, and Class Leader are the only Soldiers recognized in graduation. Besides above and beyond volunteers. The final DA form 1059 may reflect a Commandant's List but have not seen it as of yet, I am not counting on it.

As stated before, ensure your commute is (I am serious as a HEART ATTACK) no more than 3 miles from school...traffic is a bitch here, and you will be set up for success greater than you could possibly realize as of right now. Have good study habits and ensure your PT, HT/WT is good and you should be fine.

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