Corvette you mentioned that getting SSG is a slow process in this MOS. Is that merely because of the high points required or because people aren't sent to the board very often( or both)? I have a decent amount of points (and im sure all of the civilian education from this course adds up also) but I don't want to be a 10 year Sergeant if I don't need to be.

What is the liklihood of deployment? I'm on my third at the moment I'd like to spend some time at home with my wife. Do they take this into consideration?

Do alot of people complete their required SRR then get out and go into the civilian world? I cannot see alot of people staying in this MOS until retirement...

What would a typical work week look like at a large MTF? Are your hours in shifts, would there be normal accountability formations etc? I have no experience with any medical units and how they operate.

I've done my time on the line I was fully planning on getting out and finishing my education but this seem like a great opportunity, but I'd prefer to avoid the big Army BS that we all know and despise.

Thanks,

SGT Sharry
Well, I made SSG at last. Here is why it can be slow: you have to wait, what 1-1.5 years before class even starts (staying E-5 nonpromo the whole time). Then you will not be boarded while at school, pretty much another year. I was boarded in HI after about 6 months here, but that could be different any other place. Being a 10 year E-5 in this MOS isn't too bad. I was picked up for 6 at 11, and I think average for E-6 is prolly right around 12-13. You gotta remember 68CMF is the slowest promoting CMF.

You are on your 3rd deployment, so it prolly confuses you when you see slick sleeves with much more time in than you and went nowhere. They try to spread the wealth in this MOS, but there are a great deal of Soldiers because of timing, TRADOC assignments, or straight up dodging a deployment that have not deployed. Then there are ones that have deployed like 4 times, go figure. When you do deploy as a 68V, it should be a better standard of living than most engineers.

When it comes to softer MOSes people usually do stay in them till retirement. I think it is actually pretty rare to see a reclass in this MOS with all 1's for PULHES. A lot of Soldiers from other areas physically can not finish off a Combat Arms assignment till 20 years, and switch to a softer MOS like this one so they can. A lot of Reservists go directly into the civilian side, and some AD work on the side if they have it good where they work. I don't know too many that work shift work AND work civilian. I am sure they are out there, but I haven't seen them.

We still have damn safety briefs unless we are at work, since I do shift work where I am at. I like it here, but the 12 hour shift usually morphs into 13, and more often than not you are on your feet the vast majority of it. Especially when I first came here and we were understaffed, there were times where I didn't have enough time to take a leak, and lunch?....better pack a cliff bar. 51C may be the MOS you want if you want to get away from big Army BS. Or Attache detail.
Hey Forum,

I have a question concerning reclassification to the 68V MOS. I am currently an active duty E-5, non-promotable, with 7 years in so far. I have tried to do a voluntary re-class for a little over a year. After speaking to my CC and collecting all the requirements, as well as speaking to the school liaison at Fort Sam Houston about requirements and changes to the pre requisites. I was told that I cannot do a voluntary re-class due to the MILPER Message stating;

C. TO BE AUTHORIZED RECLASSIFICATION FOR A NEW MOS THERE MUST BE "Y" UNDER THE IN COLUMN AT
THE CURRENT GRADE.

Is there any other option I can use or channels I can contact in order to pursue this MOS. I am currently a 91A and if I proceed to get my E-6 then this is the only career option available to me, and I need something with more security if and when I decide to get out.

If any of the online CC can help me with some options, or advice it would be much appreciated.

Again thank you for your time.
I am not a CC. But, I will try to provide you some guidance.

First, which MILPER message said that you could not reclass to 68V because there is no Y under the in column? The link below for the in/out call messages posted on armyreenlistment.com (which is usually spot on) has a Y under the in column for 68V.

Second, this MOS is identified as a STAR MOS for SGT indicating the need for that rank.

I believe the reason you are being deemed ineligible for voluntary reclass is because your MOS has to have a "Y" in the out column which it does not.

Hopefully this helps some.

References:
http://www.armyreenlistment.co..._12_293_20120917.pdf

https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/...e/select/csdec12.pdf
quote:
Originally posted by RRT-NPS,CPFT:
For the record, being a 10 year E5 in this MOS isn't good either.


My point is that if you are promotable and reclass at the 6-8 year mark, any Career Counselor will tell you that you have to loose your (P) status. Then most in my class had to wait about a year and a half before the class even started, and then now the course is very close to 1 year long. With that you have an easy two-two and a half years stagnation. That is presuming you are sent to the board rather quickly after you end up at your 1st duty station. It should be easy to see timelines extending to 10. So unless you reclass at less than 6 or so years TIS is can be very realistic.

There was a time when you didn't have to wait as long for a class seat once you reclassed, and there was a time when the class itself was dramatically shorter.
Dramatically shorter...not quite. The previous 68V course was 44 weeks long. The current 68V course is 50 weeks. Take away the 8 weeks dedicated to TESC and the "new" course is actually 2 weeks shorter. Unlike some, I am not going to engage in the "it was harder when I went through the course" discussion that likes to manifest itself. I am saying, the courses are simply different.

Based upon sequence number (which is based upon seniority), there were several V's getting promoted to E7 with around 11 years TIS. Thus leading to the conclusion that E6 in 10 years is not all that good either.

Yes, there are a large population in our field that will retire at 20 years as E6. This resulting from 68V4 not being as competitive with 68W4 for promotion meaning the 68V3 becomes stagnant not necessarily because of when they joined the MOS but as a result of 68V4 availability limitations.
I hope I didn't start an argument. I just meant I'd like to know that there is an actual career path to pursue and that I wouldn't stagnate at SSG.

Anyhow just an update. I reclassed to 68V last week, my school date is 22 Jan 2014 (give or take). I'm looking forward to the change in direction as well as the opportunity to learn skills that are actually useful in the outside world.

Thanks for the help.

-SGT Sharry
Nope, no argument. Congrats on your re-enlistment and subsequent reclassification.

Just remember, you are in control of your career. If a stagnation occurs, it most likely will be a consequence of your actions. Granted there will be some things beyond your scope but not enough to completely halt progression.
All my point is that it will be around Feb 2015 before you even show at your 1st duty station, and you can not even show up all ready promotable unless of automatic list integration but no one in our MOS has ever made E-6 that way. Just do your best at your first station especially, because anything past a year before being possibly "reboarded" will put a serious crimp in hour career progression, you see where I am going with the timelines mentioned right?
My point is, promotion is not something to be focused on. Focus on doing your job and doing it well and promotions will come. I know some in this career field retiring as low as E5 and others that have made E7 in 11 years.

You have a years notice so get as much of your affairs in order as possible now because there will not be much time for this during your training. You can also find out about the program by going to the IRTP website.
Hey everyone,

As my username shows, I'm a former 68W. I ETSed in 2012 as a SPC(P). I know the requirements say that the program isn't available to IET, but I'm technically not IET. Since I'm out I'm not classified as "in-service personnel" either. My question is this: is it possible to come back into the Army for 68V? I have all the necessary prerequisites.
Hello. I recently graduated from RT school and have all the necessary credentials to work as a RRT here in Florida. The bad thing is, I'm not finding work. So I have an appointment with an Army recruiter on Tuesday and we're going to chat about options. I'm a 30 yr old female and ready to sign my 8 yr old over to my hubby. DWhat I would like to know is what will it be like going in with RT school done? Will I attend RT school again? Does anyone have any tips or recommendations? Oh, I saw some post on what type of book to study from. My personal opinion, that helped tremendously,was the 1. kettering tokens online and 2. the persing RT study guide. Thanks.
Danigirl,

If you've completed your RT education and have your RRT, you do not have to attend the military's RT school. Your recruiter should work out the details with HR.

Not that I don't want a qualified RT to sign up in the military but have you considered moving to where RT jobs are available?

Best of luck.

Oscar Lopez-Martinez MAEd, RRT, CPFT
Director of Clinical Education
Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program
Medical Education & Training Campus
Fort Sam Houston, TX
oscar.lopez-martinez.civ@mail.mil
Office: (210) 808-3781
Fax: (210) 808-3771
I was just granted a reclass to 68V. I have a class date of Oct 2014. I have a couple of questions about the ft Sam area. We are coming from Campbell and will be looking for a house.

I'm looking for a good school system and something not in the heart of town, I would like to live someplace that had some land and some wildlife.

Also from those who have recently graduated or are in the class what Duty stations are being assigned.
It will probably be in your best interest to get on-post housing if availlable. As far as duty stations assigned, focus on the things that you can control(i.e. successfully completing the course requirements)because there are too many variables to attempt a prediction of where you may be assigned.
Thanks for the words of wisdom. I do not like living on post and have read here that it would be the best bet. I still need some help on areas.

As far as duty stations, It is more information gathering on where people are going more then where I am going to be stationed.
On a previous post in this discussion I listed some areas that may be good to live at. Just be cognizant that every hour a day you have tied up in traffic, that is an hour away from studying, and an hour away from your family.

Its all about trade offs.

Why set yourself an hour (or more)each and every day behind your peers by a lengthy commute? The course is a year, so do your time and have your next PCS "no compromises".
quote:
Originally posted by danigirl:
Hello. I recently graduated from RT school and have all the necessary credentials to work as a RRT here in Florida. The bad thing is, I'm not finding work. So I have an appointment with an Army recruiter on Tuesday and we're going to chat about options. I'm a 30 yr old female and ready to sign my 8 yr old over to my hubby. DWhat I would like to know is what will it be like going in with RT school done? Will I attend RT school again? Does anyone have any tips or recommendations? Oh, I saw some post on what type of book to study from. My personal opinion, that helped tremendously,was the 1. kettering tokens online and 2. the persing RT study guide. Thanks.


Ensure you specifically mention to your Recruiter and your Recruiter's Station Commander that you are at this point at least partially qualified for and interested in the Army Civilian Acquired Skills program (ACASP). It can allow accellerated rank, and oftentimes bonuses because the Army will not have to pay to train you. Unfortunately though most Recruiters don't know about the program so they may need to do some homework on it. good luck and please keep the forum posted.

This is why I created this discussion, there was no up to date current info for the interested candidate to see day to day real world as to what is going on with the program.
quote:
Originally posted by Former68W:
Hey everyone,

As my username shows, I'm a former 68W. I ETSed in 2012 as a SPC(P). I know the requirements say that the program isn't available to IET, but I'm technically not IET. Since I'm out I'm not classified as "in-service personnel" either. My question is this: is it possible to come back into the Army for 68V? I have all the necessary prerequisites.


As a Reservist....yes if there is a local vacancy. Active Duty, right now, no.

Go see your local Recruiter for up to date info. New policies hit hard and fast, and you don't want important decisions potentially based on dated info. So go hear it from the horses mouth.
Hello Everyone,

I have a question. You may or may not know the answer. I am currently in the process of trying to reclass to 68V. My question is what classes will the military consider as a Humanities class. My career counselor said he doesn't not know. I have a couple Sociology classes. A Psychology which I don't think will count. Plus a Christian World View class and a ton of other classes. Does anyone know if they will except the Christian World View, Sociology, or Psychology? Thanks
Thanks for the reply, however I don't know what you mean by Thomas Edison, are you referring to a college or building? Do you know if he would be on Global? Don't mean to sound like stupid but just trying to figure out the best way to find contact information. Thanks
Mr. Martini is the Military point of contact at Thomas Edison State college in New Jersey. Please google the school and their POC #'s and this should assist you. You nay need to sent them official sealed transcripts from your previous institution. It will take a bit for an accurate yes/no as to if they transfer, but be patient (about a month) and continue to follow up, and keep the forum posted.
Have your career counselor send a copy of your unofficial transcript to AMEDD Proponency with any questions. APPD will forward those to the IRTP to get your official answers. Mr. Martini is the Associate Vice President for Military and Veteran Education. This is something that would be more appropriately handled by the schoolhouse
Everyone,

There has been a change in the educational pre-requisites for the Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program (68V). Thomas Edison State College will now accept a general education course in lieu of the Humanities course.

Examples are:

Humanities
Art
Communications
Dance
Film
Foreign Language
Journalism
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Photography
Radio & Television
Religion
Speech
Theater Arts
Writing (advanced)

Social Sciences
Anthropology
Archaeology
Cultural Geography
Economics
History
Labor Studies
Political Science
Psychology
Sociology

Natural Science / Mathematics
Astronomy
Biology
Chemistry
Computer Sciences* * not to include Data Processing or Computer Literacy
Environmental Science
Geology
Mathematics
Meteorology
Oceanography
Physical Geology
Physics


English Comp I with a "C" or better from a regionally accredited college is still required.

Any questions, please ask.

Oscar Lopez-Martinez MAEd, RRT, CPFT
Director of Clinical Education
Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program
Medical Education & Training Campus
Fort Sam Houston, TX
oscar.lopez-martinez.civ@mail.mil
Office: (210) 808-3781
Fax: (210) 808-3771
Ok I just received an email from my career counselor yesterday. He has submitted my transcript and paperwork to HRC. So I am hoping that it will get approved. Do to the Government Shut down they were not allowing any reclass submissions. Or that is what he told me. I only have 5 more classes until I am done with my bachelors degree. So I am hoping that they will except me with everything I have completed so far. I was also told that the school seat will not be until Oct. of 2014 which is fine I will have my bachelors degree completed by then.
SPC Smith,

Although the grade requirement says SPC(P) to SGT non-P, I would still move forward with the request for 68V. That's not a huge priority.

Good luck.

Oscar Lopez-Martinez, MAEd, RRT, CPFT
Director of Clinical Education
Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program
Medical Education & Training Campus
Fort Sam Houston, TX
oscar.lopez-martinez.civ@mail.mil
Office: (210) 808-3781
Fax: (210) 808-3771
I appreciate the compliment. I know that there are many websites out there that are full of misinformation, causing unnecessary confusion and stress to our SMs. I try to find them in order to provide the most current information possible. If you know of any other websites that SMs use to get info on schools, please share them with me. I'll join those as well.

Oscar Lopez-Martinez, MAEd, RRT, CPFT
Director of Clinical Education
Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program Medical Education & Training Campus
Fort Sam Houston, TX
oscar.lopez-martinez.civ@mail.mil
Office: (210) 808-3781
Fax: (210) 808-3771
We have had a couple of SSG's and even one SFC in all the years I have been associated with this program but they were all Army Reserves and special waivers had to be granted. However, this happened many years ago. None since the program became an associate degree producing school. Sorry.

Oscar Lopez-Martinez, MAEd, RRT, CPFT
Director of Clinical Education
Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program
Medical Education & Training Campus
Fort Sam Houston, TX
oscar.lopez-martinez.civ@mail.mil
Office: (210) 808-3781
Fax: (210) 808-3771
Mr. Lopez-Martinez,
I was thinking about dropping the paperwork for voluntary reclass to 68V. How are slots looking for classes? Are "short fuse" seats a reality? I having been discussing the possibility with my wife and it might be the right career decision for me. Just curious, thank you.
Wildmojo,

We at the schoolhouse have absolutely no control, or knowledge for that matter, over how many slots are available. The Army's requirements for 68Vs ultimately dictates how many students are sent through the program. We only set requirements for admission, and the limitation on how many students we can accept per class. Your career counselor is the person to talk to.

Best of luck.

Oscar Lopez-Martinez, MAEd, RRT, CPFT
Director of Clinical Education
Interservice Respiratory Therapy Program
Medical Education & Training Campus
Fort Sam Houston, TX
oscar.lopez-martinez.civ@mail.mil
Office: (210) 808-3781
Fax: (210) 808-3771
Mr. Lopez, currently in the Jr class at irtp, would you list what text books besides eagans that we will be using for the resp portion please? I'm sure everyone else on the thread would appreciate it! As will I! Furthermore, for all those interested in the program, just know that it is academically intense; however, the risk reward ratio is worth it. From what I understand its one of if not the only enlisted program to offer a degree. Just prior to starting the program ensure that you send TESC your transcripts and have an unofficial transcript on your person. If you're active duty already, I would recommend doing your pre-req's with Thomas Eddison State College. It really simplifies the process of transition.

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