Army PT uniform as civilian attire

Ok I've been in the army for a little over three years and to my knowledge the summer pt shirt is only considered a military uniform when worn with another part of the pt uniform, such as the pants or shorts. I was in the gym the other day and I've been wearing an unserviceable summer pt shirt with the sleeves cut off and some random ranked individual came up to me and told me it was unauthorized. Now I'm stationed at Fort Bliss where they have the sergeants major academy and I have NEVER been corrected or approached about wearing this shirt. When I mentioned that to this individual he told me that they probably just don't know or they are cautious about approaching me. Since when is either one of those statements true? I go to the gym about three to four times a week, probably half of that time with this same shirt on and nobody has ever said anything. Am I wrong about this or is this just another LT trying to correct someone to make themselves feel superior to an NCO? Right or wrong, where can I reference this in print? AR 670-1 has a bunch of things about BDU's but I can't find anything on the pt uniform, well pertaining to this subject. I'm sure it's in there somewhere though. Thanks
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The army uniform should be worn with pride. There is no actual regulation that specifies this situation. But as a soldier, we will not degrade the uniform by wearing it altered. We wear it as it is issued. "An NCO would know to do the right thing". If you bring up the issue further, you will probably get the same answer. Unless you just like being corrected all the time, "Sergeant". If it doesn't look right, it probably isn't.
I think Doshaza hit it on the head. I recently had to be corrected at the gym because "I" was wearing my PT shorts with civilian T-shirts and I had been doing so for the past 3 years or more because I honestly thought it stated that you could do so (that's what I get for NOT reading the regs correctly) and NO ONE ever had corrected me up to this point. Another senior NCO approached me very professionally and corrected me and of course I had to go look it up immediately and let's just say I had a nice piece of humble pie for breakfast that morning. Regs are changing and/or updated all of the time and if you are corrected or have to correct someone then do the research and be professional about it. We all make mistakes, now adjust and move on. I said HOOAH!!!
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Originally posted by QMLeadsThaWay:
Here at Bliss during the 4th of July celebration, I saw all of the AIT soldiers who were allowed to go wearing Summer PT Shirts with civilian jeans.......I assume they were allowed to wear it, but if it were me, I would not want to be seen like that.......so tacky


Tacky is definitely the right word. Wearing an inappropriate combination of uniform pieces just looks silly to me. When I see it, I expect the guy to be a newbie Private who just doesn't know any better.

It bothers me even more than when civilians wear pieces of military uniforms. I always see guys with pot bellies and beards wearing some item they no-doubt bought at the local surplus store. Before I joined the Army I had a pair of BDU cut-offs... then I joined, and got a genuine sense of pride in the service and the uniform. The cut-offs went in the trash.
we all earned the right to wear are uniforms...we as ncos should now that even though it may not be in black and white it can still look bad on the army and ur unit if u modify uniforms or where part of ur uniform with civilian attire. take pride in ur uniforms no matter how small or unimportant the piece of uniform should be...if the shirt is unserviceable then it should be cut up and thrown away...being in school at a tradoc post right now i have noticed that privates will see ncos do just what u are doing and they will take that as an excuse to not do the right thing because they saw sgt. snuffy doing it at the gym...
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Here at Bliss during the 4th of July celebration, I saw all of the AIT soldiers who were allowed to go wearing Summer PT Shirts with civilian jeans.......I assume they were allowed to wear it, but if it were me, I would not want to be seen like that.......so tacky


They are not just allowed to wear them. Their commander mandates that they wear them. They do that on all public outings so the the drill sergeants can keep track of them.
I saw a comment about some griping over civilians wearing partial military uniforms. What, honestly, is the big deal. People look up to soldiers and want to support us. I see mothers of soldiers wearing partial pt uniforms just to support their sons or hoping someone will ask them about their shirt just to get a chance to brag about how proud they are. We are lucky enough to live in a era where most of the people love and support their us. I would much rather see someone wearing a partial uniform to show support, then to see someone spit in the face of a soldier. Now, with that being said, if a soldier purposely wears his uniform wrong not only is he making us all look bad but he is disgracing every soldier who has ever died to give us the right to wear our uniforms!
OK I am going to be staright foward with you NCO to NCO you are Wrong! You do not where the PT shirt either unserviceable or altered. Come on NCO! As an NCO youi need to BE, KNOW, DO and 3 years in service. It really behooves you to know regulations because my opiniion your NCO set you up for failure! Sorry for being Real to you but you need to read the Regulations Sergeant!
i think if the writing is all worn out, sure wear it in the gym, but if it's not then no. just like you shouldn't wear just the ACU pants or jacket to go out (shopping, etc), it's against regs.
but why would anyone WANT to wear the shorts? i hate them.
i do wear the old army pt uniform sweatshirt cuz it's comfortable and not in service anymore.
army uniform regs ONLY APPLY to people in the army.
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Originally posted by Penny:
The army uniform should be worn with pride. There is no actual regulation that specifies this situation. But as a soldier, we will not degrade the uniform by wearing it altered. We wear it as it is issued. "An NCO would know to do the right thing". If you bring up the issue further, you will probably get the same answer. Unless you just like being corrected all the time, "Sergeant". If it doesn't look right, it probably isn't.


Penney Yes there is a regulation! On this.
I have been for 5 yrs now. I have been told that the AR 670-1 has recently been updated stating that the PT t-shirt can be worn with civvies. It's some sort of "marketing" idea. Same idea as in Nascar. It gets the name out there. But, I haven't found the new reg. If anyone knows a link to it please post it on here.
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Originally posted by SPCmcg:
I have been for 5 yrs now. I have been told that the AR 670-1 has recently been updated stating that the PT t-shirt can be worn with civvies. It's some sort of "marketing" idea. Same idea as in Nascar. It gets the name out there. But, I haven't found the new reg. If anyone knows a link to it please post it on here.


From 670-1:

14–4. Occasions for wear
The PFU and the IPFU are authorized for wear on and off duty, on and off the installation, when authorized by the
commander. Soldiers may wear all or part of the PFU or IPFU with civilian attire off the installation, when authorized
by the commander.
Clearly today's soldiers do not have enough to occupy their time or worry about. Wear the issued items correctly and set the example. Let the other command "wizards" worry about their commands. At the tender age of 64, I was accosted by a uniform Nazi for "being out of uniform", albeir retired for years. I was forced to point out that I earned the jacket and badges "the hard way" and it would take 6 more like him to get me out of it. And yes, boys and girls, I am loosing my waist line, gig line, hair, and teeth (and probably things I don't remember having). On occasion I have even been known to walk on the public grass! I (we) wear our bits and pieces with pride! Please do not "ASS-U-ME" otherwise... Remember that, if you are very lucky, you will be where I am today. If doesn't relate to keeping you or others alive on the battle field, or setting a good example for others to follow; it most likely isn't relevant (unless, of course, the "rag bags" in question are under your authority!)
SFC12B,
I am not sure what you are trying to suggest. Are you saying that because you completed Basic Combat Training and remained in the Army for a few more years you earned your uniform, "the hard way" and therefore you can wear it any way you want to?

First, thank you for your service, next, get over yourself. If you are overweight and unable to wear a complete uniform, show some respect for those who can. You shouldn't need to be told this. And if you think otherwise, expect to be confronted on the street by those who still wear their uniform with pride.
I hate uniform Nazis. Who gives a s***t what some one wears. The guy is showing some Army pride by wearing an article of clothing that is emblazoned with the words "ARMY" on it. Geez !!!
Another issue, one of the posters sounds like he is retired which is why he is a little round around the belly and he has no teeth. This young man is authorized to wear his uniform whenever he the hell chooses as long as he wears the full ensemble. 20 years of service gave him the right.
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Originally posted by mouh60:
PS Recruiters should be the last persons trying to set the example on this forum. You guys still lie in order to make your monthly quota. I have first hand experience.


so you (one person) got lied to or saw someone lie and now all recruiters are liars?
Originally posted by mouh60:

PS Recruiters should be the last persons trying to set the example on this forum. You guys still
lie in order to make your monthly quota. I have first hand experience.
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Are there dirt bag recruiters? Sure, same as there are with police, teachers, bus drivers, etc but to lump one bad recruiter with the rest of them is just plain dumb.

My recruiter was mediocre, trying to get me to introduce my gf to him, asking if I was gonna sell my car to name a few things. However, the other 6 recruiters at the station were more than helpful in navigating the bureaucracy of the army. The day I left for meps, the station cdr asked about my experience with his recruiters and I told him everything. He was grateful for my positive input about the 6 other recruiters and was building a case for a "relief" of my recruiter. (like I knew what the hell the hell a relief for cause ncoer meant at the time)

Be proactive instead of the joe who complains at the aar with no input on how to fix it. Sorry you didn't get airborne with halo along with your space shuttle door gunner MOS but if you don't take care of yourself, your career, your livelihood, you will join the dead weight that hopefully gets trimmed from the army shorty.
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