demoted from SPC to PFC. does TIG reset?

I was signed up for a 1 week school that I was not made aware of so I ended up getting demoted for AWOLs because of that whole week lost. My 1SG told me I would get a waiver or something to get my SPC rank back because he feels bad because I am such a hard worker and good soldier.

The big twist in this situation is that they were about to promote me to SGT before this happened. If he's getting me a waiver to get my SPC rank back will I automatically be eligible for promotion to SGT again or does my TIG reset?

Thanks
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Originally posted by dj51234:
I was signed up for a 1 week school that I was not made aware of so I ended up getting demoted for AWOLs because of that whole week lost. My 1SG told me I would get a waiver or something to get my SPC rank back because he feels bad because I am such a hard worker and good soldier.

The big twist in this situation is that they were about to promote me to SGT before this happened. If he's getting me a waiver to get my SPC rank back will I automatically be eligible for promotion to SGT again or does my TIG reset?

Thanks


I'll further elaborate on my comment from last night. You were signed up for a 40 hr course and didn't know it, so they counted you as AWOL because you weren't at the class? I call BS. That's not AWOL. Unless you were not at your normal job for the entire week, to include PT and all other formations. This is why I said your story doesn't jive. Either someone wasn't looking out for you, which could be the case or you are feeding us a BS story, which I think is what's happening. Either way, I'd be interested to hear the REAL story of what happened.
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Originally posted by Illernoise:
I'll further elaborate on my comment from last night. You were signed up for a 40 hr course and didn't know it, so they counted you as AWOL because you weren't at the class? I call BS. That's not AWOL. Unless you were not at your normal job for the entire week, to include PT and all other formations. This is why I said your story doesn't jive. Either someone wasn't looking out for you, which could be the case or you are feeding us a BS story, which I think is what's happening. Either way, I'd be interested to hear the REAL story of what happened.


He's in the National Guard. Doesn't have PT or other formations during the week (usually). Wink
What isn't jiving? They claimed they told me about the class. I found out their way of telling me was over a facebook message that I haven't checked in ages. The message simply said "call SSG whoever". If I wanted an honest answer to an honest situation why would I make up a story to get an answer that wouldn't even pertain to me.

Anyways, like I said my 1sgt said he's working on a waiver that would make me promotable to E5 again by the time we are halfway through our Afghanistan tour, around the second half of 2013. Could anyone just point me in the right direction where I could at least do research on this?
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Originally posted by dj51234:
Could anyone just point me in the right direction where I could at least do research on this?


www.apd.army.mil
Search regs for "enlisted promotions".

Doesn't jive because if your 1SG "loves you so much" they wouldn't have dropped your rank.
(and people were forgetting the whole NG thing. It would be very hard to be AWOL for a week in active duty.)
I had no clue he was NG. Also, if you were getting ready to be promoted to SGT don't you think you should know where to find information for promotions and reductions? AR 600-8-19
Maybe I'm being a dick but if you're wanting to be an NCO you should know some simple things like that.


**Sorry I don't look at the sections topics are posted in, I just view the most recent ones on the side of the page.
AR 600-8-19 Enlisted Promotions and Reductions.

Once is soldier is reduced in rank the soldier can not be waivered for early promotion. The soldier will become eligible for promotion the following month after completing TIG requirements. That is not a quote, but it is in the regs.

Unless your 1SG is drinking buddies with the SMA or ACS, you'll be doing your entire time in service requirement. Once promoted back to your previous rank, you'll have to resubmit your promotion package for E-5 just like you did the first time around.

Moral of the story ensure your contact information is verified and routinely check AKO and ATRRS for course reservations.
You guys are making it way too easy for people. Big Grin

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Oh also, I would have fought an Art15 like that, it's highly unlikely a Court Martial would have considered some facebook post as adequate notification. Especially when you never called the SSG, they should have called you.
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Originally posted by AutobahnSHO:

Oh also, I would have fought an Art15 like that, it's highly unlikely a Court Martial would have considered some facebook post as adequate notification. Especially when you never called the SSG, they should have called you.


Same here. That's complete BS.
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Originally posted by dj51234:
What isn't jiving? They claimed they told me about the class. I found out their way of telling me was over a facebook message that I haven't checked in ages. The message simply said "call SSG whoever". If I wanted an honest answer to an honest situation why would I make up a story to get an answer that wouldn't even pertain to me.

Anyways, like I said my 1sgt said he's working on a waiver that would make me promotable to E5 again by the time we are halfway through our Afghanistan tour, around the second half of 2013. Could anyone just point me in the right direction where I could at least do research on this?


They way you are explaining the story and how you reacting to it, tells me you are an outstanding private.
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Originally posted by AutobahnSHO:
You guys are making it way too easy for people. Big Grin

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Oh also, I would have fought an Art15 like that, it's highly unlikely a Court Martial would have considered some facebook post as adequate notification. Especially when you never called the SSG, they should have called you.


I've already tried to fight it but they are always going to take a SSG and all of his buddies over what I say. There's really no way I could fight something like this. They put me in a room with the commander and the sgts and they all pressured me into accepting the fact that 10/10 times they are going to take higher ranking NCOs story over mine no matter what. It is a crappy situation but I can only stay positive and move forward.
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Originally posted by dj51234:
I've already tried to fight it but they are always going to take a SSG and all of his buddies over what I say. There's really no way I could fight something like this. They put me in a room with the commander and the sgts and they all pressured me into accepting the fact that 10/10 times they are going to take higher ranking NCOs story over mine no matter what. It is a crappy situation but I can only stay positive and move forward.


Yeah well see how they would react in court..

But again, all you have to say is
"1- I don't check facebook that often
2- facebook is the only "notice" i was given"

Then have them make up whatever other notice they gave, and shoot holes in the stories.

You could subponea phone records (if they claim they called you), ALL phone companies keep records of every call. (so they can bill you!)

End of story. (except the whole unit would hate you and be looking for any excuse to hem you up. But sounds like that was already a bad situation..)
Don't really buy it myself. I would never sign if I was in the right for the "infraction." Take me to court, present your evidence and then i'll do the same. No matter the pressure from the top down. Rather have everyone hate me and keep to myself until I can PCS than let some shitbag get one over on me. But maybe i'm just different. Good luck to you.
I appreciate everyone's opinion and help on this matter. Over the course of these past three months I have had several of my buddies tell me that what had happened was wrong and that I should have legally fought it. There were no previous counseling statements and no real effort to contact me and I have only now realized how bad I was screwed over. I've had several people tell me behind closed doors that if I were not blamed for this incident, it would have been the NCO's fault for not informing me.

It was clearly a cover up by the First Sergeant and I learned first hand that he(1SG) likes to cover things up. Right now we are currently deployed. One of my buddies in my barracks drank a little too much and ripped a sink out of a wall(blood everywhere and bathroom flooded). Our First Sergeant had 6 of us(the witnesses which included me) line up against the wall and swear we wouldn't tell anybody about what happened and to lie if we were asked what happened.

Barring all of that I have managed to keep my head up and my battery commander has promoted me back to SPC since then. the best thing in this situation is that nobody looked at me differently in my Unit when this happened because they know how wrong it was for this to happen. I feel if I had made this a legal issue, I would not have deployed and everyone would have hated me and made my life miserable. I guess sometimes you have to suck it up even when you are right.
No, I've brought it up many times to my NCOs and other NCOs. They all say the same thing that I would be putting myself at very high risk if I did bring it up to my commander and IG. Everyone loves our 1SG because overall he is a good guy.


In my (extreme) case, he was covering for the NCO above me who failed to notify me of any schooling. Since the 1SGs superiors were on his ass about me not being at the school he had to do something. Even when he was demoting me, I told him I was going to tell everyone that it was the NCO's fault. These were his exact words: "Who do you think they are going to believe? You really think they would take your word over many NCO's words?"
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Originally posted by dj51234:
No, I've brought it up many times to my NCOs and other NCOs. They all say the same thing that I would be putting myself at very high risk if I did bring it up to my commander and IG. Everyone loves our 1SG because overall he is a good guy.


Won't change unless someone does something about it.
Well 7 months later you know what is ironic about this whole situation?

The same NCO who decided to get me demoted rather than to admit to him not doing his job has now been demoted himself, from E6 to E5. This NCO has committed adultery, cheating on his wife with an E4 while we've been deployed and he was caught drinking after an alcohol ban was put into effect. Really he should be on his way back to the states and kicked out of the Army(which is what the battalion commander wanted but our Btry cdr fought for him to stay).

What's also ironic is that he has since admitted that he made a mistake when I confronted him about my demotion and I have since been reinstated to SPC and am on track to become an NCO in a few weeks.

Just thought I would update everyone who figured I was making this up.(Really? Who makes something like this up and just pulls this out of their a**?)
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Originally posted by dj51234:
Right now we are currently deployed. One of my buddies in my barracks drank a little too much and ripped a sink out of a wall(blood everywhere and bathroom flooded). Our First Sergeant had 6 of us(the witnesses which included me) line up against the wall and swear we wouldn't tell anybody about what happened and to lie if we were asked what happened.


First, it is against GO#1 to drink while deployed and it seems that you complain about unfairness and yet seem to look the other way when stuff goes wrong because your 1SG asked you too.

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What's also ironic is that he has since admitted that he made a mistake when I confronted him about my demotion and I have since been reinstated to SPC and am on track to become an NCO in a few weeks


How come you are on track to become an NCO in a few weeks? Have you been to the board and do you have the points to make E-5?

Sorry, your thread/posts does not pass the smell test for me. I cannot be as kind as Autobahn. I hope you are not a problem-child as you appear to be.

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