This next reply/ answer/ advise might be a little off-topic
to your original question but it is some-what related to
your issue and I'd like to elaborate on it:
One of my biggest pet-peeves while I was
in the Army that would piss me off to no end
(and one that you've probably have already seen for yourself)
is seeing E-5's and other NCO's putting E-4/SPC in charge of troops.
have SP4's putting E3s and below
at "parade rest" and/or smoking soldiers.
??????? WTF!! ???????
In my time in the Army, I NEVER put up with or tolerated that when I was Pvt/ PFC.
I would tell those over-zealous E4/ Spc to go f**k themselves.
And when the E5/ E6 would get pissed off... I would say "they are NOT NCOs".
ol' sgt. so-and-so would get real pissed off at my attitude...
and sometimes I would get yelled out or smoked by the E5 or E6...
but never once did I get a 4856 councelling statement or an Article 15
for telling off or otherwise "disrespecting" an E4 Spc...
and I'll let you connect the dots as to why that was).
To all of you lazy, sh**-bag NCO's who are doing this:
With the some-what rare exception of E-4/ CPL's (who ARE NCO's)
as well as SOME cases of CQ, staff duty and/or other
E-4/ SPC ARE NOT NCO'S AND SHOULD NEVER BE PLACED IN CHARGE OF
TO TRAIN AND/OR HAVE AUTHORITY OVER OTHER JUNIOR ENLISTED SOLDIERS
UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES (ESPECIALLY FOR TRAINING/ SUPERVISING!!).
I know what you dirt-bag NCO's are thinking:
"Well... when I was in the Army we had the SPC-4 Mafia
and I had to stand at parade rest for and get smoked by
E4-SPC and I had to otherwise suck their d**k so now other
E-3's and below should do it... blah... blah... blah".
GET THE F**K OUT OF MY FACE WITH THAT WEAK BULLSH**!!
And for you lowlife NCO's who dont like my attitude:
Are SPC-4's included in the NCO Creed?? NO!!
Is there an Article under the Uniformed Code of Militarty Justice
that covers so-called disrespect/ disobeying the so-called
"SPC-4 mafia" and/or other junior enlisted / NON-NCOs??
NO... THERE ISN'T!!
Why do you think that is??
whatever group of people who put together the US Army, UCMJ
and the military in general knew that there was (and is) a vast difference
between personel who are leaders and those lower-enlisted who are not and that
there needed to be a series of checks and balances put in place to enforce
good order and discipline (which is imparitive to any military)...
but also to make sure that authority is not abused by those who either try
to take advantage of those in lesser ranks and/or by those who are
in leadership positions who simply do not want to do their jobs/ duty.
These same people were also aware that there are some people
who may want to serve... but do not wish to lead
(and there is NOTHING wrong with that!!).
Why put some one in a Ldrship position
who does not which to be there??
Not everyone who joins the military wants to lead...
so these idiot, so-called NCO's need to seriously step off!!
To all of you E4 SPC's reading this and getting pissed off:
You wanna lead troops and get that so-called "respect"??...
get your @$$ up and go to PLDC / WLC and EARN the right
and privledge to be formally recognized as a leader
as well as the privlege to lead/ train troops.
(and the key word here is PRIVLEDGE!!).
For all of you lazy-@$$ NCO's who are reading this
and getting even more pissed off by me calling you out
on your bullsh**:
Leadership / Authority/ Responsibility and the care, welfare & training
as well as the educating & discipling of troops IS NOT
to be passed of to the lowest common demoninator:
You do not see Company Cmndrs tell their LTs to go tell
the 1SGT to go tell the PLT Sgt to go tell the E-6 squad leader
to tell the E5 team leader to go tell the SP4 to tell the E3's
and below on how that the E4's are in charge of sweeping a floor.
Why??.... because that is not his/ her job.
The CO gives the order, the lower enlisted carry it out...
and the NCO's train & supervise and make sure it gets done...
NOT piss-ant E4/ spc who are nothing more than glorified PFC's
who dont know what they are doing or what they are talking about.
You ALSO do not see a Company or Battalion Cmdr
doing the job of an E-5... now do you??
With that being said...
why would you have an E4 do a job
that is the duty AND THE OBLIGATION
of an E5 or above??
The answer to that question is simple...
and this is were this all ties into your
original question / topic:
NCOs are lazy and dont want to do their jobs...
That's why they place SPC-4's "in charge"
and/ or pressure/ bully them to become E-5's:
1) They want the rank and privledge...
but do not want the responsiblilty that is
inherently invested in them.
2) But still want to be able to put on their
bullsh** NCOER's that they "trained and lead troops".
This is why your NCO is getting pissed
that you dont want to be an NCO:
1) He doesnt want to do it.
2) And more to the point...
by refusing to be an E5 you are essentially depriving him
of being able to put on his BS NCOER that he "trained & mentored" troops
when in fact he never did... thus preventing (or at least hindering)
him from getting promoted to the next NCO rank.
3) Many of these so-called NCOs have mandatory child support payments
and other stupid drama that they got going on in their pathetic lives
which is why they are in "such a hurry" and "cant wait" to make
the next E-grade. Why do you think that is?? See above.
(Though they will never admit any of that to you.
Funny how that works, huh??
If that be the case, I say:
Either laterally promote that E4 in question to CPL
if they want that formal resposibility.
Include Spc4 into the NCO Corps
(which will NEVER happen for obvious reasons)...
demote those E5s and E6s back down to E4 and below
for dereliction of duty and shirking their duties...
since they are acting like SPC and PVTs with NCO stripes.
In short, my question / personal challenge is this:
Do you really mean it when you say you want
to lead, train and mentor troops...
... or are you looking for a slick, convenient way
to shirk and short-change your duties
and collect a welfare check??
Dont get me wrong, Not all are like this.
Some are, in fact, great NCO's...
but there are some posers out there
using their NCO rank as a crutch...
...And when you got an NCO constantly have E4's do their jobs for them
and/or are constantly trying to pressure troops into getting promoted
to E5 (who do not wish to do so) to have them do the job they dont want to do...
that is a very good indication of the kind of lazy, lowlife you are dealing with.