Getting no sympathy or answers, please help.(ERD/PCS/TDY)

My mother in law is dying of cancer and i tried to ERD my wife back to canada, which is where her and her mother are from. The ERD was kicked back from reassignments due to me being on orders to ft wainwright. now they are saying there is no option for me to send my wife and daughter to canada. i have to pay to ship them, our stuff, and pay her rent there, and when the situation there changes and its time for her to join me at wainwright, i will have to pay it all again, and i get no benefits for her while she is there(bah, fam sep, cola, nada!.) obviously timing is crucial, had my assignment not come up for another 2 weeks the erd would have gone through already. its aug 16th today, my DEROS from here in Hawaii is not till nov 29th. i have tried to contact branch, IG, all the travel, finance, legal, and family travel offices, literally every single person has a diff answer or they just dont know. should i call the post or division commander? my congressman? there must be someway. i mean cmon, the womans mother is dying, the army cant pay her rent while she stays with her?? i will live in barracks, i dont care.im not worried about fam sep pay either, hell i will pay for the ticket, but i should at least get the benefits i am getting right now. please if you have any helpful info about any of this....help me out. thanks
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Ya well civilians don't risk what we risk, most would quit the first time they had to pull staff duty let alone be asent to Iraq for 15 months, the army has no problem shipping me across the globe for nonsense or letting soldiers take leave, emerg. leave, and ext leaves from across the globe. I bet my post wastes more in food everyday than it would cost for what I'm asking, like I said tho, it's not anyone else's mother that's dying so they don't give a rats ass. For all ivedone for this country the least they could do is help me get my wife to her mother while she's in her deathbed, it's not like it's gonna be forever.
I will tell you to see your S1 and also maybe talk to PLT SGT and CSM. Alot of times with a action and on assignment on the same time usually get a little effy. and Im not sure if the actions are same as they are over here in Germany. When you get to your new unit they should process your OHA for your Spouse in Canada usually whereever the EROD orders send the Spouse is where you will get OHA or BAH, but like I said earlier talk to your Chain of Command and if you feel like you not getting anywhere with them then I think you know what you need to do.
Having no experience with this sort of thing, from what I've read of ERD it would not apply in this situation.

As for the benefits, why would they stop? How long is she planning to be away? I would think the appropriate action here would be for you to remain in your current quarters, and your wife travel with the intent of returning when her business is done. If you can't afford an apartment for her, then look to family and friends in the area. If you PCS in the interim, execute the move on your own.

BAH is to pay for your quarters, not your family's.
Family separation pay is for when the Army separates you from your family, not when your family separates from you.
COLA is for you, not for your family.
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should i call the post or division commander?

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my congressman?

No
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the womans mother is dying, the army cant pay her rent while she stays with her?

It's YOUR responsibility Sergeant, not the Army's. When I went to my grandmothers' funerals, I didn't ask the Army to pay for my hotel stay or mileage. It is completely unreasonable to expect for them to pay your wife's rent when they are already going above and beyond to accommodate your current quarters.

Live in the barracks? You seriously want the Army to foot the bill for separate lodging for you and your spouse?

Sorry, no sympathy from me either.
Valid points Daddywarcrimes. I agree with what you said about him staying in current quarters, and his wife travel with the intent of returning when her business is done.

Just for clarification though, there is a with/without dependent rates for COLA and OHA/BAH, so.... a portion of that is for his dependents.

The reason I was asking earlier if he put in a COT was that if he didn't he may be able to work something out with his branch manager to get him a CONUS assignment.
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Originally posted by machsoldier:
Just for clarification though, there is a with/without dependent rates for COLA and OHA/BAH, so.... a portion of that is for his dependents.


http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/bah.cfm
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The Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH) is a U.S. based allowance prescribed by geographic duty location, pay grade, and dependency status. It provides uniformed Service members equitable housing compensation based on housing costs in local civilian housing markets within the United States when government quarters are not provided.

It is for the service member, only adjusted because service members with dependents typically require larger housing. It is based on where you are assigned, not where your spouse resides. It is certainly not intended to maintain two separate households.
oh my lord, yall are crazy. ummm well yes i am going from hawaii, and yes an ERD does apply in this situation its an ERD under family hardship, and yes bah is for your family as well as your quarters, that is why single soldiers stay in barracks and why geo bachelors get bah for their spouses location. i thought this was all common sense stuff? and i dont know how the army is "footing the bill" for seperate lodging if im staying in the barracks. there are tons of soldiers stationed oconus as geo bachelors collecting bah at the with dep rate for their spouses location and single rate bah for their own location....how is me staying in the barracks and getting bah for my wifes location a burden compared to that? i dont know what army you are in but the way i see it, the army is not just responsible for taking care of me, but my family as well...why else would they have insane frg's, spouse priority jobs on post, umm healthcare, life insurance etc. the list goes on, obviously taking care of my family is the army's responsibility as well as mine. a jacked up family makes a jacked up soldier right? so it would be in their best interest to help soldier's familys to whatever feasible extent they can. but again common sense isnt so common i guess. i dont know where you get the idea that the army is going "above and beyond" to accomadate my current quarters either haha. i live in a crumbhole 2 bdr apt, and they take the same amount of bah from me as they do from the E5 in the community across post who is living in a 4 bdr 2 story brand new house. please tell me how that is above and beyond. u can argue that benefits are for soldiers not dependents but then why do soldiers without dependents not get the same benefits? ya the benefits are for me as the soldier but they are given to me so that i can provide for my family are they not? oh and the COT or compassionate reassignment wont work either cuz i will be in the same boat with them sending her to my home of record. doesnt really help but thx for the suggestion. and if you take the time to look a little deeper into the jftr you will see that there is a benefit called FSH which is for family separation housing allowance fyi. daddywarcrimes, no offense but a career counselor is the one who put me in this situation(by pushing my paperwork through and having me put on assignment 3 months before my DEROS date) so i may be a tad bit bias, but thx for sharing Wink
First off, you come across as a 16 year old girl. Your grammar and punctuation are atrocious and nearly impossible to read.

Second, I understand the frustration with cancer as it is prevalent in my family, but that does not nor should it force the Army to pay for your wife to live elsewhere.

Also, you talk about barracks like they are free. You think just because the barracks don't charge rent that it means that you are staying there free? They are paying for electricity, building, and maintenance costs.
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Originally posted by SgtHoover:
oh my lord, yall are crazy.

I've been called worse
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and yes an ERD does apply in this situation its an ERD under family hardship,

I stand corrected. Further research indicates this may fall under JFTR Volume 1 U5900 D 2 e (1).

I will also revise my previous advice on using your chain of command. Employ them if you feel it necessary, but take time to collect and present your argument in more coherent fashion than you have given to us.

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and yes bah is for your family as well as your quarters, that is why single soldiers stay in barracks and why geo bachelors get bah for their spouses location.


Source: http://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/site/faqbah.cfm
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Geographically separated families (geographic bachelors) are normally eligible for BAH based on the member's duty station. ... In certain circumstances, with specific approval of the Secretary of the Service concerned, a member may be granted an exception to receive BAH based on the dependent's location. For example if a member has a sick child that requires medical attention only available in a certain location (say Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, DC), and the member receives a PCS order, the member might leave the family in Washington and request BAH eligibility for that location. Such exceptions do not ordinarily apply to spousal employment or other personal choices.


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i dont know how the army is "footing the bill" for seperate lodging if im staying in the barracks.

Barracks cost money; the Army pays for it.

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there are tons of soldiers stationed oconus as geo bachelors collecting bah at the with dep rate for their spouses location and single rate bah for their own location....how is me staying in the barracks and getting bah for my wifes location a burden compared to that?

Oh? Are they on accompanied tours? Did the Army move the dependents overseas? Are they receiving BAH or OHA?

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i dont know where you get the idea that the army is going "above and beyond" to accomadate my current quarters either haha.
With BAH and COLA.

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i live in a crumbhole 2 bdr apt, and they take the same amount of bah from me as they do from the E5 in the community across post who is living in a 4 bdr 2 story brand new house. please tell me how that is above and beyond.

Oh, you live in government housing. That's different (still not used to this contracted housing thing). In that case, the Army has provided you and your family perfectly suitable housing and has no further obligation.

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u can argue that benefits are for soldiers not dependents but then why do soldiers without dependents not get the same benefits?
I said BAH and COLA; I did not extend this to other benefits. The discrepancy I explained in the previous post.

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if you take the time to look a little deeper into the jftr you will see that there is a benefit called FSH which is for family separation housing allowance fyi

From JFTR:
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The Family Separation Housing (FSH) allowance is payable to a member-with-dependents for added housing
expenses resulting from separation from the dependents when a member is assigned to an OCONUS PDS
How is this applicable in your situation?

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daddywarcrimes, no offense but a career counselor is the one who put me in this situation(by pushing my paperwork through and having me put on assignment 3 months before my DEROS date) so i may be a tad bit bias, but thx for sharing Wink


Hey I completely understand if you don't want to listen to the advice you asked for. I've been on these forums for 7 years; you're not the first.

Administrative note: You may wish to review your paragraph structure and capitalization; it's a little hard to read.
Ok well I apologize for your perception of my post as being from a sixteen year old girl. I was not really concerned with punctuation as much as information. It is not that I did not listen to your advice, I just do not agree with all of it. As far as the BAH and getting both rates, yes the individuals I know personally are unaccompanied OCONUS, as I will be in Alaska. That should also answer the FSH question. I agree that the Government has provided adequate housing and has no further obligation, it was ultimately my decision to live on post, I am not concerned about that. I never said that living in the barracks was free, I just compared to to Soldiers who are receiving BAH at the "without dependents" rate for themselves as well as "with dependents" rate for their spouses location. Obviously staying in the barracks is much more cost effective. Thank you to everyone for all your input, whether it was in fact helpful or not. I now believe the best option is to do the unaccompanied tour and leave my dependents at a "designated location" which will be in Canada, I just need a waiver from G1 through BDE. But today my mother-in-law was rushed to the ER and is not looking good so time is not on my side. Thanks again, and sorry if I upset anyone or gave you a headache while you tried to read my post.
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Originally posted by SgtHoover:
I was not really concerned with punctuation as much as information.

Punctuation is a minor concern, but paragraph formatting is crucial if you are going to be providing that level of detail. It makes the difference between getting the information you seek and TL/DR.

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the individuals I know personally are unaccompanied OCONUS, as I will be in Alaska. That should also answer the FSH question.
So when you get to Alaska, you should receive benefits accordingly. I would however verify What you anticipate receiving. It seems counterintuitive to pay extra housing allowances when she could move their with you.

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I just compared to to Soldiers who are receiving BAH at the "without dependents" rate for themselves as well as "with dependents" rate for their spouses location.

This still doesn't sit right with me. I am no expert in allowances, but to authorize some both W/ and W/O BAH rates doesn't make sense when we have the OHA/FSH designed to fulfill that very role.

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Obviously staying in the barracks is much more cost effective.

I wouldn't be so sure. Army pays way too much for just about everything.

You might want to check with ACS, or other community based organizations to see if they have any programs that can help with this. You don't always have to look to the Army for answers.
SGTHOOVER,

Just a word of warning. I can understand your frustration here with what is going on and with some of the frustration on the advice you have received. Some of the things you have based some of your plans on may or may not be the case for Alaska. I was stationed in Alaska and is a unique duty station. Here is how. For some things, it is considered oversees. For others it is considered CONUS. Yes this is weird I know. You mentioned that you are aware of thousands receiving BAH for where their families are and then either staying in the barracks OCONUS or getting over seas housing allowance. If my memory is correct it is called "BAH Save" and it is usually for places like Korea or other "Hardship" duty stations. Not duty stations like Alaska. The best thing to do is to Contact the Finance office, G1 or S1 at Alaska and verify that this is even possible. Because you may be making this plan and then in for another huge heart break and there you will be again with another angry and upset episode. The BAH Save began so that people did not have to do a hardship (1 year) away from family and because they had to live in the barracks they lost their BAH. Yes common sense was even worse back in the day. Then someone helped us out because they figured out that it was like Soldier had to pay to be away from their families for a year. Much like we had to loose our BAS when we went to the field for a week. It was like we had to pay to go to the field. Also, when you go to Alaska it will depend on your rank if you can even stay in a barracks. When I was there, if you were a Geo Bachelor you did not and could not stay in the Barracks at all because there was no space at all. Only E5 and below stayed in the barracks and no one that was geo separated was allowed. Also, they did not even have a BEQ for Senior Enlisted or BOQ for Officers. I highly highly suggest that you contact the Barracks, housing, Finance, S1 and G1 for Alaska and make sure that you do not wait until you get there and then get your plans spoiled. Just because you read it in JFTR or somewhere else for that matter. There may be a USARAK reg or something else for that matter that may circumvent that because they have gottnen permission from higher HQ because of the issues that they are facing because of the influx of units they have had in the past decade. Good luck to you and your wife.
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Originally posted by SgtHoover:
My mother in law is dying of cancer and i tried to ERD my wife back to canada, which is where her and her mother are from. The ERD was kicked back from reassignments due to me being on orders to ft wainwright. now they are saying there is no option for me to send my wife and daughter to canada. i have to pay to ship them, our stuff, and pay her rent there, and when the situation there changes and its time for her to join me at wainwright, i will have to pay it all again, and i get no benefits for her while she is there(bah, fam sep, cola, nada!.) obviously timing is crucial, had my assignment not come up for another 2 weeks the erd would have gone through already. its aug 16th today, my DEROS from here in Hawaii is not till nov 29th. i have tried to contact branch, IG, all the travel, finance, legal, and family travel offices, literally every single person has a diff answer or they just dont know. should i call the post or division commander? my congressman? there must be someway. i mean cmon, the womans mother is dying, the army cant pay her rent while she stays with her?? i will live in barracks, i dont care.im not worried about fam sep pay either, hell i will pay for the ticket, but i should at least get the benefits i am getting right now. please if you have any helpful info about any of this....help me out. thanks


If you can't get help for that and if you can't pay it all outright, see if you can an AER loan you will have to make payments on an AER loan, as I am, but that is what I had to get for my Emergency Leave when my grandmother died. You will have to pay for it no matter what because The military doesn't even pay for Airplanes when you go on normal Emergency Leave.

It is unfortunate that she is losing a loved one but the army is not going to halt everything it's doing to ship her 'free-of-charge' you have to figure out what is going to be needed and plan accordingly to this Emergency Situation for her. And no they will not pay for rent if you are going to stay in the barracks. I know this for a fact unfortunatly, friend of mine went through that. Once you opt to stay in the barracks you are denying yourself that extra money for your family.

Sympathy, I feel it... But you gotta be more proactive in those situations and realize there are things the army is not going to hold peoples hands for that's why they pay you. You are in charge of your budget and if you can't figure out how to allot that budget There are options you have to get such things as loans and such. You can also try for Emergency leave with her but that's more money your talking.
wow... you guys are special....

did you notice the date when this thread was created, and when the last person posted before it was brought back to life?

how do you guys find these old posts?
its not like they are on the latest post box... you had to have gone through pages of old posts and then you got some crazy thought in your head that you had something to contribute to this 2 year old post.
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