I have a serious issue and need guidance in a bad way!

To make a long story short. I am currently station here in Korea (been here command sponsored since June 2007). I am on assignment to 2BD 4ID @ Carson come 10 Sept. My current DEROS is 19 July; My BNCOC report date is 11 July @ FT Lee. I put a curtailment in at the end of January to have my DEROS Adjusted to 2 June so I can get my wife and daughters situated back in the states. I found out today it made it up to 19 ESC G1 and got sent back to BDE S1. I called up to BDE and the MSG said the COL disapproved it. The MSG said she will try to see if the COL will have a change of mind again but this COL is a ..well lets put it this way.... she is for herself and thats all... she has many complaints on her already. Anyway, that MSG pretty much told me that I will have to cancel my BNCOC date and try to get a new BNCOC date when i get to my new unit. I find this hard to believe.. this unit is going to deploy 6-8 month after I get there and most likely they will not send me to BNCOC as soon as I get there. I informed the BDE CSM about this and he said he will look into my issue. I jsut dont get how this COL operates. What can I do.. do I have to suck it up.. it really urks me... there is a SSG that has less than 6 years jsut got off recruiting duty , never been deployed and sent to BNCOC while stationed here and due back within 2 weeks. I have been an NCO longer than he has been in the Army.. I feel really screwed here.. but it hasnt been the 1st time.
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You can file a complaint, EO, IG, take your pick. At that level in her career there isn't much they can, will, or are even willing to do. She'll more than likely retire in a few years and the world will keep spinning. At my previous duty station we had a COL like that, female as well (not coming down on females just saying, I've noticed a pattern) and she would seemingly do everything in her power to make life at that unit just a little bit more difficult for everyone under her iron fist. We can only hope people like this will develope some kind of flesh eating disease and live out the rest of their miserable days in a cold dark room at some subpar medical facility far, far away from modern civilization, or that they find the Lord and change their ways, lol.
It depends on your rank. If you are a SGT you do not need ALC to get promoted, but if you are already a SSG then I do not see any reason why you shouldn't be able to go. You do need ALC if you want to stay a SSG or get promoted. You can file an EO and/or IG complaint, more then likely that will just tick her off a little more. I would however try to figure out why it is being turned down. If there isn't any other reason, other then the one I mentioned above, then there is no reason for it being turned down.
That is exactly what I am saying, there is no reason for it to be turned down. Yes I am an E-5(P). I have done my time and put forth all my energy in this unit. Being an E-5 has nothing to do with it. I am praying that the BDE CSM can help me with this, after all he is enlisted and know what we as NCO's need to progress in our career.
E5GenMech, I recommend editing your post. I've seen things like this aired out in a public forum and then come back to haunt in the worst of ways. If you want to seek advice on here in the future I recommend removing all specifics about your assignments and MOS.

I PCS'd from that location a few months ago. Given what you have said here, I am 99% sure I know which full bird you are referring to.

Sorry to hear about your situation. My Soldier went through a similar issue and the same result happened.
Check it out.. You don't need BNCOC until you're a SSG. It's required prior to getting pinned to SFC. That being said. You have a 3 years until that's even possible.
Stop complaining about not getting BNCOC and get yourself promoted. Fight your own battles before you start whining about not getting paperwork signed by a COL.
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Originally posted by SKY_SHARK:
Check it out.. You don't need BNCOC until you're a SSG. It's required prior to getting pinned to SFC. That being said. You have a 3 years until that's even possible.
Stop complaining about not getting BNCOC and get yourself promoted. Fight your own battles before you start whining about not getting paperwork signed by a COL.




Um whatever
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Originally posted by SKY_SHARK:
Check it out.. You don't need BNCOC until you're a SSG. It's required prior to getting pinned to SFC. That being said. You have a 3 years until that's even possible.
Stop complaining about not getting BNCOC and get yourself promoted. Fight your own battles before you start whining about not getting paperwork signed by a COL.


Maybe some NCOs don't mind retiring as a SSGs but E5GenMech has ambition. Putting it off until another day is the wrong answer. The time for this high speed NCO is in July 2010, not two or three years from that point. Besides, if you know anything about TDY funding it's more often than not a lot easier to get it en route from big Army rather than having the unit pay for it.

He is taking this matter through his battalion CSM and brigade CSM if necessary because that is what motivated NCOs do, they don't stop until the mission is accomplished. This COL has no reason to deny his tour curtailment request, especially since he's not even assigned to the division. If he has full endorsement by his local command there is no earthly reason why this routine action should be denied.

E5GenMech, if the Bde CSM doesn't get anywhere with this packet, this is what I would do if I were in your shoes. I would talk to my Bde CSM about if the COL will approve an FSTE instead, one that will extend your DEROS out just long enough out to finish ALC, fly back, clear your unit in Korea, and then fly to Fort Carson. You can clear most of the unit stuff before you leave if you have the support of your local command, such as with CIF will require a memorandum but the tricky part will be to get funding from your unit. I would make sure that part is lined up before putting in the FSTE, though. Your brigade CSM can help make that happen.

Who in their right mind would agree to something so convoluted is beyond me, but you know as well as I do that often things are done harder, not smarter. Look at it this way. If door #2 is your only option, you'll get loads of free airline miles out of the deal.
Of all the doors open to you, I like the answer behind the Alive n Kickin' Door. I am a civilian - my chain of command is military. I won't tell you how many years I have in so let's say I have experience. Sometimes things get really messed up through no fault of your own - I like the idea of going to the Brigade. Done it myself. And, keep going higher if you have to? However, I do not know the ramifications if you go higher than BDE. Your co-worker military members have the most sage advice on that point on here. I like your spirit too! Go Army!
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Originally posted by Alive_N_Kickin:
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Originally posted by SKY_SHARK:
Check it out.. You don't need BNCOC until you're a SSG. It's required prior to getting pinned to SFC. That being said. You have a 3 years until that's even possible.
Stop complaining about not getting BNCOC and get yourself promoted. Fight your own battles before you start whining about not getting paperwork signed by a COL.


Maybe some NCOs don't mind retiring as a SSGs but E5GenMech has ambition. Putting it off until another day is the wrong answer. The time for this high speed NCO is in July 2010, not two or three years from that point. Besides, if you know anything about TDY funding it's more often than not a lot easier to get it en route from big Army rather than having the unit pay for it.

He is taking this matter through his battalion CSM and brigade CSM if necessary because that is what motivated NCOs do, they don't stop until the mission is accomplished. This COL has no reason to deny his tour curtailment request, especially since he's not even assigned to the division. If he has full endorsement by his local command there is no earthly reason why this routine action should be denied.

E5GenMech, if the Bde CSM doesn't get anywhere with this packet, this is what I would do if I were in your shoes. I would talk to my Bde CSM about if the COL will approve an FSTE instead, one that will extend your DEROS out just long enough out to finish ALC, fly back, clear your unit in Korea, and then fly to Fort Carson. You can clear most of the unit stuff before you leave if you have the support of your local command, such as with CIF will require a memorandum but the tricky part will be to get funding from your unit. I would make sure that part is lined up before putting in the FSTE, though. Your brigade CSM can help make that happen.

Who in their right mind would agree to something so convoluted is beyond me, but you know as well as I do that often things are done harder, not smarter. Look at it this way. If door #2 is your only option, you'll get loads of free airline miles out of the deal.


Actually, for an NCOES school regardless of whether it's TDY & return or TDY Enroute, big army pays for it not the unit. The only thing the unit would be responsible for paying would be a rental car if they authorized it for a Soldier that is TDY & return.
BUDGETSSG, if that's true across the board then over in Korea where I was assigned for three years they kept a lot of NCOs back with the only reason being "there's no money in the budget". I routinely kept hearing at my last assignment that the unit training budget pays for all costs associated with the training (transportation, per diem, incidentals, etc) if a Soldier is going back to that unit after they graduate the course. It costs in the neighborhood of $1200-$1500 for a flight back and forth from Korea and depending on the location, the per diem might be high. Or, do you mean that big Army pays for the cost of the course itself, not all of the other costs?
I've been doing budget for the last 3 yrs and the only thing my unit has ever paid for was the rental vehicles, everything else has been paid for by big Army. Some units just dont know any better and charge it to their unit budget, I've seen this with plenty of times with my BN's when they send their orders up to my office for review and we have to fix them and put big Army's funding code.

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