Monthly performance counseling,..........

How many of you soldiers out there actually receive a monthly performance counseling from your 1st line supervisors? Out of those soldiers,.........how many of you have received counselings that you feel are helping you develop as a soldier?

For you NCOs,.........how many of you have received your initial counseling within the first 30 days of your rating period? How many of your supervisors took the time to sit down with you and explain the NCOER Counseling Checklist and how it is used,.....informed you of your rating scheme,.......and or provided you with examples of what constitutes a SUCCESS and and EXCELLENT rating as it would pertain to the specific place you work or the specific job you do on a day to day basisi?

I have a sinking suspicion that I'm not really going to like what I hear,......but I asked the question so,.........answer away!

Also,.......to the NCOs,......what do you know and understand the regulation/guidance to be in regards to the requirement for performance counselings for E-6s and below,.........and where did you get that guidance from? Again,......just a hunch,.....but I'm curious to see the responses.

DS 2000
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I have been at my unit for one year. I have not receieved a single counseling since I have been here. I asked my platoon sergeant why I have never gotten a counseling from my first line supervisor? He said, "Oh, you read the SOP and you know what we expect of you, we told you your job and your boots to be spit shined and highly pressed uniform.... that was your 'initial counseling' except it was just a verbal one". He continued on saying how I stay out of trouble and how I am squared away and I do well at work, etc. Then he said "You really should not worry. It is better to get no counseling than to get a negative one."

I asked my uncle, who is a SFC in the Army, about counselings and he said that is just pure lazyness and he cannot believe that the NCO's in my unit are not counsling their soldiers and he is surprised that the 1SG has not said anything about....

I am going to the SOQ board next month... I wonder if the board members look at my file and see if I have any counselings.... Oh, by the way I am only a PFC.
Nando,.......I know I should be shocked and appalled but I am only apppalled. Unfortunately,........this seems to be the norm rather than the exception. You have found yourself in a very precarious situation for a young soldier to be in. Since you have already addressed the issue with your platoon sergeant,..........the next step would be to ask to speak to your 1SG, (using your chain of command/NCO Support Chain of course),....as the issue needs to be addressed. Normally,......once you brought it to the PLT SGT,......he/she would bring in the NCO who is supposed to be counceling you and the problem would be solved shortly thereafter. You would probably see a performance counseling within the next two weeks.

The statement that your PLT SGT made is both incorrect and against the guidance set forth in FM 22-100, Appendix C,...in regards to monthly performance counseling. You should be advised of your montlhy duty performance,...ie strengths to maintain,.....areas which need improvement,.........things that you accomplished that month such as taskings,......APFT,...CTT,......etc.,....as well as upcoming events for the folowing month. Your professional growth and guidance should be addressed,....ie. military correspondence course enrollment,....or college class enrollment,.....as well as plans to prepare and send you to a company soldier of the month board,.......which will help prepare you for promotion board when the time comes.

There are so many other things that may be addressed with the soldier,.....but these are some of the basics. In the area of counseling,......the saying, " No news is good news!," is absolutely wrong. Counseling is not supposed to be only a negative thing. It is supposed to give you and idea of how you are doing in your day to day performance as a soldier,......and should be a guideline for you so you know what you need to work on or where you are headed.

I would talk to my 1st line supervisor again,.......and maybe show him/her a copy of the regulation where it states that soldiers E-4 and below are to receive monthly performance counselings from their 1st line supervisors. If this doesn' work,.....go through your 1st line,...and make an appointment to see your PLT SGT again. If this attempt fails,.....I would use my chain to make an appointment with my 1SG and address my concerns with him/her. If this doesn't work,.......there is always the BN CSM. You deserve a monthly counseling,.......as do all soldiers. It is not only fair,........and very helpful for you,.......but it is the Army Regulation and as a result it must be adhered to. You and your fellow soldiers are getting the short end of the stick if your leaders are not developing you in this way.

DS 2000
The proverbial, "can of worms," would be non-existant in this case if NCOs were consistently doing those things required and directed to them by the leadership reg (in regards to counseling),.....and by the most recent version of the NCO Guide. The requirement to counsel soldiers is one of the most basic yet most important responsibilities that an NCO has in the development of his/her soldiers. The requirement to counsel E-4s and below monthly has not changes cince I have been in the Army and right now that stands at 15 years. Soldier learn how to lead by our examples,....whether good or bad. they will become the leaders that we are,.......and we have no one to blame,....or to be proud of,......but ourselves, depending on what type of example we are setting for them. More replies please,...........

DS 2000
My unit had a problem with no one doing the "monthly" counsellings. I recieved my initial counselling a week after arriving and then my counsellings became sporadic and more event orientated. I am now a fairly new SGT and have 1 soldier who I am in charge of. I also have a new BDE CSM who was appalled at the BDE's counselling record. Know each BN CSM has to review the counsellings for all E4 and below soldiers every month for accuracy, informative, helpful and clarity. This month was my first ever counselling session and I took a long time to tell my soldier what I expected of him (all of the stuff he was already doing). I have a clue of what to do for counselling but am nervous about either being to focused or to broad on my next counselling.

I guess I will have to ask around some more for advice. Oh yeah... I just changed duty position and my NCOER rater changed. Should I be expecting another initial NCOER counsellig from my new rater?
DS 2000,

Im glad that someone actually had the nerve to mention this. Im probably one of the few individuals who was regularly counseled by my supervisor when I was junior enlisted. My first assignment, my NCOIC was meticulous about it, however when I PCS-ed to my following assignment, it only continued becuase I (as a SPC) nagged my NCOIC to death about it. He eventually got around to it, however they were rarely on time.

Now that I am at my current assignment (which is joint and I only have Navy supervisors...oh the horror!) counselings are a thing of the past. Granted, I have been promoted to SGT since then, but as far as my quarterly counseling...nope. I have had to go over my NCOER form with my supervisor (he's a Navy guy and my Senior Rater is a civilian) as far as how to fill it out, but that is as close as I have seen to any sort of counseling.

I think that counseling (wether they are monthly or quarterly) are only beneficial if the person giving them feels that they are worth it. If you have an NCO who does not see the importance behind them, you end up with a half-ass counseling form that will not produce anything of merit. If they are applied correctly by someone who knows how, I think that they can be a very valuable assest to a soldier. Unfortunately, I don't have soldiers of my own (Im the junior SM and the only Army member in the office) to counsel so I haven't been able to practice what Im preaching here.
Well,.......let me give you some info on a very helpful reference that I have given to my newly promoted NCOs as a promotion gift,.....on behalf of the sodliers/officers in the section. There is a paperback book that you can purchase at the clothing and sales store called, " The Mentor". It has a royal blue cover and has some of the NCO chevrons in yellow/gold on the front cover. If I remember correctly it costs about 13 dollars. Although this book is only a tool which provides sample counselings done for many different instances,.........it is a great reference for young NCOs who are just learning how to counsel,..........or OLD NCOs who maybe were never really properly counseled themselves and therefore never devloped their own counseling skills. You should use this book in CONJUNCTION with the current FM 22-100 appendix C,....and remember,...the civilian reference never takes the place of the military regulation. However,......I WISH they had a book like this when I was a new SGT,....just learning how to counsel soldiers. It would have helped me out immensely! It gives those who are not very experienced at counseling a starting point to begin formatting their own individual counseling statements,....but kind of spurs your thinking process as far as what basic things you need to cover,...depending on what type of counseling you are doing.

Also,......there is nothing wrong with bringing a counseling that you are developing or working on to the PLT SGT,...or next NCO in your chain,...or even the 1SG,...to ask them to review it for you or ask what they think or if you have left anything out,.....etc. Make sure you do this prior to sitting down with the soldier and actually conducting the counseling with them. In fact,....it is probably a good idea until you really feel comfortable and get to the point where you know you have covered all angles with the counseling. None of these NCOs should have a problem with reviewing your counselings for you. In fact,.....I would welcome any junior NCO who is seeking guidance on counselling. It shows they care about being good at what they do,...that they care about fulfilling their responsibilities as an NCO and a leader,.....and that they care about and are doing their best to mentor and develop their soldiers.

Good Topic! More replies please,.........
Thanks DS2000, appreicate the info. I purchased a book about 6 months ago that explains how to properly fill out the NCOER. I mainly bought it to explain to my Navy supervisors how to properly fill out our NCOER's. I used it in conjunction with 623-205 and it proved very helpful to him. The name of the book is "Don't Just Fill in the Blanks: Writing and Understanding the NCOER". It's a green spiral-bound book that I think cost about 12 bucks or so. Very good investment. It also give about 500-600 different examples of bullet comments. Whether you are in my situation or not, I would recommend it to anyone.
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my goodness, what a topic...i'm a young buck sgt...i have been fighting to be counseled since i pcs'd to my current unit in FEB...nine months later w/a request of change of rater/rating scheme (not just for not being counseled) i FINALLY recieved my initial. i did receive an ncoer upon pcs'ing, it was my first, i was 9 mo into my new stripes for that...well now i'm 18 mo into my rank w/one ncoer and no qtrly counseling.
even though i'm "young" in my rank, i understand that it is my responsibility to understand the regs that govern what is supposed to be going on...not only for me, but my soldiers. i was religiously counseled as a jr. elisted soldier on personal/professional growth, when i needed a kick in the FPOC, and even for praise. i have continued that since i've stepped into the nco world.
this next piece is disturbing; it is a true account of what i was told about counseling at my current unit during my initial counseling conducted by my det sergeant. (in my previous units i always kept counseling packets on all of my soldiers.) as a courtesy to my new nco i asked him if he needed to see the counseling packet on my soldier...mostly because i wanted him to know as my new rater that i was doing my job as an nco and counseling my soldier...he responded w/ "you don't have to counsel him every month, i don't care when you counsel him, if you counsel him at all...there's nothing in a reg that says montly counseling is mandatory" needless to say, i do counsel my soldier monthly just like i was a jr joe...
i am a young buck who takes being an nco seriously. it disturbed me to hear this from a sr nco. there's a lot of things leaders need to do that aren't "madatory" to ensure the corps stays strong, and all soldiers have the opportunity to benefit from good leadership.

good topic...thanks for the vent...
Well,.........the comment that your Det SGT made was bogus. It IS in the regulation and it IS a monthly requirement. Bottom Line Up Front. And oh by the way,.........the SMA ( Tilley) put out his guidance in 2002 via e-mail saying that all SSGs and below would now receive monthly counselings. I happened to be working at the BDE HQs in the 3rd I.D.s DISCOM at the time and I distinctly remember reading that message. I also distinctly remember the BDE CSM enforcing that guidance soon after it was put out to us.

and for whoever had the question about changing raters and should she expect a new initial counseling from her new rater? The answer is yes. Your new rater should do you initial / NCOER counseling no later than 30 days after becoming your rater. That is also in AR 623-205.

Keep the comments coming!

DS 2000
Well, here we go! I am currently in my fourth assignment in 8 years. At no point in time during these 8 years have I recieved a counseling on a monthly basis. There have been times when my squad leader has had to do 8 months worth of counseling in a few days because our CSM wanted to review them. Other times my PSG had to do them because my SL either had no time, or just plain didn't care. I just want to say for the record though, that not all NCO's neglect counseling on purpose. In todays army we are expected to do more with less. That includes leaders. With a higher soldier to NCO ratio, NCO's are finding themselves hard pressed to not only complete missions and training, but they also find themselves taking work home with them. Now this is just a question, how many of you type the counseling form and them perform the counseling, or perform the counseling and then generate the form?
Firewalker,

I have done it both ways,........depending on the situation. I tend to leave the Plan of Action at the top on the back side of the DA4856 blank since I try to involve the counselee as much as possible in coming up with the solution to the problem, ( if it is that type of counseling),.....and I always write in the Leader's responsibilities belwo where the counselee signs. The assessment portion (last block on the back side down the bottom), is always hand written for me,.......because this is where myself and the soldier go over the outcome,...ie. do a follow up on either the corrective training and if it was effective or on the plan of action and if it did or did not acheive the desired results. When you have to counsel a soldier on something that happened ( fact ),...but do not know what circumstances led up to that event,.....then you should not pre-type the counseling because your plan of action may be completely different once you have all the facts.

* Just a learning/ teching point. I have had to re-do a couple of counseling statements after I had a little more info to go on to make my decision on what course of action to take.

DS 2000
You would be amazed at the amount of counselings that do not get followed up. I have never had an NCO follow up on my counselings. Oh BTW, on one occasion I had to write my own counseling. I then got chewed by my PSG because the counseling didn't make me look like I walk on water (which I do not and do not think I ever will!). What causes a leader to shirk his resposibilities and then lay the smack down on someone trying to keep his butt out of the fire?
You asked for more replies, so here you go!

What do you do when the person who is writting you monthly promotion/performance councelings words them in a way that they sound unflattering even when they are not ment that way?

My supervisor has only been writting my coulcelings for two months. He words them in a way that never mentions my good points. He mentions things that I need to work on, but leaves no explaination on why I need to work on them.

Here is an example (not the actual counceling, but close);

SPC X, for you to be considered for the promotion board, you must first work on your PT. You need to pass a record PT test and complete a 12 mile road march.

You are not currently proficiant in your MOS. You must work on your technical proficiancy.

You are NCO material and I would hate to see that potential wasted.
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Doesn't sound very good, does it? In my opinion, promotion councelings should be motivating, not deppressing and vauge.

Now, if I where the NCO writting the counceling it would read someting like this;

SPC X, I realize that you are recovering from injuries sustained during your last PT test, and are currently on permenent profile from those injuries. Keep working hard on getting back in shape and I am sure that you will do well on you next record AFPT.

You have been working outside of your MOS for some time now as Battalion armorer, and you have been doing a wonderful job. However, we need to make sure that you are caught up on the changes that have been going on in your primary MOS.

You are NCO material, and you will be recomended for the promotion board once you meet the above requirments.
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When my supervisor gave me the counceling, I informed him that I did not concur. I explained to him that I was not satisfied with the way it was worded. Somehow, he managed to talk me into signing the darned thing. I know I was wrong for signing it, but I was tierd of going back and forth with him.

What should I do the next time? Should I demand that it contain an explanation or no signature? Should I take it to his supervisor and explain my concerns? I am frustrated! I bust my buns for these people, and this is what I get in return. :evil:
Miranda.... I know that this may not be okay to do in some units but it may be worth a try for you. It is my understanding that all counsellings should be reviewed by the next higher NCO. Or that may be my units course. My suggestion is to ask that person to ensure that your supervisor knows how to do a clear and accurate counselling session. When you sign the counselling you are not signing that you agree with the right or wrong of the events but that what was written down was what you discussed in the session.

DS2000... Thank you for your answer. I hope to get counselled soon, I go on mid-tour leave shortly. By the way, does the rank of your rater matter at all in your NCOER? I am a new E5 and my rater is the 1SG.
enforce,

Good advice to Miranda,......asking for the next NCO in her NCO support channel to review the counseling. It is not a requirement,......but if Miranda has a problem with the way her NCO makes things sound sorta negative,.....even when it is not a negative counseling,.....she has every right to address these concerns with her first line supervisor or his supervisor if necessary. You were also right when you said that when you sign, "I concur" on a counseling statement,.......it does not mean that you agree with how the counselor said the events took place or anything else on the form,.......except that what is on the form is what you were counselled on,.....nothing else or nothing different. If you wish to tell your side of the story,.......you should sign,....."I concur" then initial,....then write in the blank provided,.....see attached statement from conselee. As for you,.........don't sit around HOPING to recieve your new initial counseling from the 1SG. Plus,.....what duty position have you just moved to that the 1SG is your rater? Just curious. Anyway,....you are supposed to receive your initial counseling within the 1st 30 days of either arriving to a new unit,...section,...or area. ie. whenever your rater changes,.........you are supposed to receive a Change of Rater NCOER from your previous rater (as long as he/she was your rater for a 90 day period or longer),.......and you are supposed to be counseled by your new rater as to your new job description and what your rater expects from you as far as performance. Your rater should also give you examples in each section on the back of your NCOER that show you an example of what you could do or what you need to accomplish to acheive both a SUCCESS or and EXCELLENCE rating on your NCOER in each area. On the bottom front,....in the VALUES portion,......he/she should also provide you with examples or at least ensure that you understand what is expected of you in order for you to receive a YES in each of the values blocks.

Go to your new rater,...(whatever rank he/she may be),....and ask when you will receive your initial counseling from him/her. Sometimes you have to be assertive when it comes to taking care of you and receiving an initial counseling ensures that you know how you will be evaluated on your upcoming NCOER based on what your rater tells you (in writing) in your initial counseling. You can be subtle,...and tactful. Let the 1SG know that you are concerned since you are about to go on mid-tour leave and you would like to have some clear guidance prior to you leaving so that when you get back,.......you will know what needs to be done.

If you need any assistance,.....feel free to PM me.

DS 2000
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1) what is proper action for soldier(s) who have not been counseled every month? back counseling for every month missed, or one counseling that covers the block of time that was missed?
this became an issue for me when no clear guidance was given on who was going to counsel a soldier at my unit. months passed before a final decision was made...the sr nco in my shop said he was going to do the soldier's inital counseling and any others that needed to be done until the final decision was made...months passed, the soldier was never counseled, and i asked if i could be his counselor...i got the blessing and i was faced w/this delima...the guidance i received from another sr nco (outside my section) was to do an initial and a block counseling for all months missed. so that's what i did.
as a side note to the above, when i was a jr joe, i received back-dated counselings and i didn't completely agree w/it then and don't really agree w/it now...i just want to know if my feeling is right on this.
2) as i mentioned before, i've gone 9 months w/o any sort of counseling (until a couple weeks ago when i got a change of rater)
as per your answer, DS2000, you stated that E-6 and below are supposed to be counseled monthly...my unit is practicing quarterly counselings for NCO's...i'm an E-5...the "young" buck 8) anyway, should i press the issue to be counseled for the months missed??? can i tell my new rater that i want to be counseled monthly??? i also would like to know where i can find SMA Tilley's guidance in writing so i can ensure the right thing will be practiced, not only for me, but the few soldiers at my unit.

thanks in advance for your help...i've read everything on this one and i'm learning...THANK YOU.
Temte,

The answer to your second question is: An NCO only needs to counseled quarterly. This is written on the NCOER Checklist form. It stats something right along that it is MANDATORY to perform at least quarterly counseling. Like i said earlier this is written in black and white on the NCOER Counseling Checklist form.
NCO of the year,........yes,......in the Regulation ( both for NCOERs and Leadership reg), it states in black and white that all NCOs must be counseled at a minimum of quarterly. However,......as I previously stated,......the SMA (Tilley) has added to the regulation with his guidance. I will try to find a copy of the e-mail message that he sent out. It was approximately 2000 when it came out, but I'm sure I can get a copy and post it here. Any unit may add too the regulation,...but may not take away from it. For example,.....if your CSM says E-4s and below in your BN will be counseled every two weeks instead of every month,........then that's what needs to happen in your BN. However,.....your BN CSM cannot change the requirement of monthly counselings for all E-4s and below to every other month,......or even quarterly. That would be taking away from the regulation. Understand?

On your question on how to get soldiers up to date on their counselings if they have not been getting counseled for a long time,........you do not have to go back and back date counselings,.....nor should you. You cannot put your name on a counseling statement which covers a certain period of time for a soldier that you were not "technically" responsible for counseling curing that period. What it is best to do is place either a memorandum for record or a DA4856 in the soldiers counseling folder which reflects prior to your becoming the soldiers first line supervisor,....there are no records of any DA4856s being done on the soldier for monthly duty perfromance from____date til_____date. Now that you are the soldiers first line supervisor the soldier will be counseled monthly IAW FM 22-100, Appendix C. You can start a "significant Events" list in the soldiers counseling folder at this time as well. On this tracking sheet you should list any significant activities/ achievements the soldier has participated in or acheived. At this time you can ask the soldier to help you list those things that he/she may have done prior to your taking over his/her counseling. This can be things from volunteering for blood donation,.....to winning a soldier of the month board. It can also be volunteering to teach a class on something to the squad or platoon,....or teaching PMI for a range,.....etc. This list will also be very helpful to you or his next first line supervisor when the soldier gets ready to PCS because then you don't have to pull acheivements out of your ass to write a good award for the soldier. Nor will you be compelled to fabricate acheivements because you have no idea what the soldier did the whole time he/she was in the unit!

Good Luck! I will look for SMA Tilley's e-mail message reference monthly counseling for all E-6s and below. When I find it I will post it here!

DS 2000
Okay... I need to know how this might affect my career. I will be unrated for the first 4-5 months of being a SGT due to many factors. Mainly both of my first 2 "raters" are or have PCSed before the magical 3 months have elapsed. I thought I had been a SGT for 3 months under my first rater but it turned out to be only 2 months and a week so he couldn't submit an NCOER and my next rater is the same story. Will that fact be in any of my records or will it just be a blank space that people will wonder about? Any clarifacation that anyone can give me is greatly appreciated.
While you're on the counseling subject, I'm a Spc with some leadership expierence, my NCO isn't a real good example because he has short timers disease. Soon when he ETSs i will be in charge of my section, and writing monthly counseling will be part of my duties.
Where can i find help on writing counselings for overweight females, and touchy subjects such as that?
I understand that some people react differently to things and i really don't want to offend anyone, or put myself in a bad situation. I have had help from other NCOs in my ao, and from my old section chief, I was also given a book that says BE, Know, Do, across the top which has been alot of help.
Where else can i find good information on how to deal with these problems?
Check the posts on page one of this thread. Myself and a few other NCOs left a few good places to get assistance/info on counseling. Once you have checked those out,..if you have any additional questions,...please ask. Also,.....check out AR 600-9 to become familiar with the requirements/standards for those soldier who become enrolled in the Army Weight Control Program. Good Luck!
Hittokill,

There is a really good book that you can buy at your local clothing and sales store called "The Mentor". The cover is blue and has a lot of NCO rank on it. Inside the book are a few examples of counselings and such. It's been help to me in the past as well as other's that have borrowed the book. If I remember correctly it cost about 12 dollars. It does give specific examples of counselings on PT failures, Overweight, monthly counselings, promotion counselings and reception and integration counselings. It also many more topic areas.
Bottom line is we have soldiers throughout our Army who have not been counseled or properly counseled since day one in their Units, We as NCO's have that responsibility to counsel our soldiers to let them know where they stand both good and bad as a soldier. If we fail to do this, we not only fail them but we fail the CORPS! We cannot let that happen we are the Back Bone of this Army! Without us Officers will have their way! This I cannot let happen. My soldiers are counseled Monthly along with my NCO's. I give them the respect to give them an idea on how they are doing monthly as well. This works for me but not for everyone. My NCO's like being counseled monthly, they tell me its good proffessional development wich we all need in one way or another! We need to come together and make the NCO Corps strong and give the soldiers what they deserve! "Bottom Line" Soldiers are the future leaders in our Army if we fail them now they might (not in all cases) fail their soldiers when they reach our level! Help the Corps and lets do it right!
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Counseling is one of those things that i was told to hold dearly at my 1st duty station. My NCO told me that they were a way to help me improve and he never missed a monthly counseling. He also was really good at counseling me when I messed up, giving me a plan of action for correction, and once that plan of action was followed, I was back to being the good soldier that he thought i was. That left no room for the nagging at me for things I messed up on in the past and it kept me headed in the right direction. I thought the best way to learn how to counsel was being counseled. I got a great block of instruction every month from a great NCO. I always thought that the feedback I gave was important too, and would expect it when I counsel a soldier. It ensures everyone is on the right page.

When I got to my new uint, None of the soldiers in my section were counseled by our 1st line supervisor, so being the SPC that i am, I took it upon myself to begin counseling them. At one point, our supervisor "caught" me counseling the other soldiers and got all pissed at me for it. He told me that it was NCO business and he'd take care of it. Well, 3 months later, still no counselings for me or the other soldiers. I just became promotable, so im not worried much for myself, but these other soldiers dont have guidance. Its a shame.
TenaciousP,...if you are not going to continue to be in those soldiers NCO support Chain or Chain of command (squad leader),....you still owe it to them to ensure that they receive the counseling they deserve. Approach the NCO who is till derelict in his/her duty to counsel his/her soldiers monthly. Inform him that you are giving him/her their last opportunity to get on track with a monthly counseling program for his/her soldiers before you will go to the PLT SGT or 1SG. That way,....you are not just running and telling on him/her. In fact,...some NCOs do not counsel their soldiers because they themselves were never counseled and don't really know how or do not feel like they know how. You may offer some assistance to that NCO, in preparing the first few counselings for his/her soldiers so he/she can get a feel for it. You may ask one or two of your soldeers permission to have the NCO sit in on a couple of the monthly counseling sessions that you do with YOUR soldiers,...so he can see how you conduct your sessions. Try it out and see what happens. But if you inform him/her and even offer to assist them and you know that his/her soldiers are still not being counseled,...it is your duty to inform someone who can take action. Both the soldiers and the NCO in question are getting the short end of the stick. The soldiers are not receiving the guidance they need and deserve,...and the NCO is not developing his or her interprsonal skills and counseling/leadership skills. Try it out and see what happens. Those soldiers are all future NCOs who are not receiving the guidance or tools that they will need to be effective in the NCO ranks. You have the ability to change that. What will you do?................

Let us know what action you decide to take,...if any.

DS2000
Well, the NCO that wasnt doing the counseling and myself got moved to another section and the other soldiers got a new NCO which, from what I hear is squaring them away, counseling and all. Good for them. Well, now that It is only Myself and SGt____ Working together, I wont have any soldiers when I get promoted, (My NCO is the training NCO and im his filing boy) not to mention that I dont have a real Job. I'm in a crappy situation, but we are getting a new CO this month and I'm going to ask him to move me into a section where I'll have a job and maybe some soldiers. We'll see...
DS2000,

How personal do you make monthly performance/professional development counseling? Should I stick with duty performance and the promotion areas (military & civilian education, PT, marksmanship, etc) or should I take it to attributes: interpersonal communication, loyalty, respect, personal courage, etc?
Definitely include those other areas, as they too are very important. If they weren't, they would not have their own section on the NCOER. Soldiers need to be talked to about those values long before they become NCOs. If you wait til' then, it is usually too late. All thier bad habits have been formed by then! The monthly counseling should be specifically tailored to discuss each individual soldier's strengths and weaknesses, even when they are in the area of Army Values.

DS2000
I never forget to counsel my soldiers. I think its one of the important part of being section leader or squad leader. It gives them a start if they haven't started with their goals and also gives them a pick up point if they are lost. I always try giving them a verbal or many times written.
this is what i used on my initials...although i can think of many more topics that could be included.

o job performance/responsibilities
o civilian/military education
o leave/passes
o military bearing
o physical training
o wear and appearance of uniform
o upcoming events
o overall evaluation

others;

o finance
o obligation to the army (second jobs (if applicable)).

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