I received my NCOER today and don't think it is right. I have taken 5 college classes in the last six months and received all A's in them. THis is not mentioned on my NCOER at all. I believe this an Excellent bullet if I am not mistaken?
The problem is that I already signed the thing... is there anything I can do?
Also, my NCOER has a needs improvement mark and it gives one incident that happened out of the year for the example. Is this right to use one example? I thought it was an overall view of my performance.... Where can I read up on this?
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Originally posted by erikwithak86:

C'mon dude, really? Did you not read it prior? Did you take it up with your senior rater? You already signed off on it. You're pretty much screwed.


+1

You need to be talking with your rater all the time, the NCOER shouldn't be a surprise. And discuss any issues before it gets finished.
If you are an NCO and receiving NCOERS shouldn't you be educated on the entire process and the form it self?

How did you get promoted without knowing that AR 623-3 was your new holy grail!

This is another example of the NCO corps foundation crumbling!
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Originally posted by djbred24:
The problem is that I already signed the thing... is there anything I can do?


No offense, but I thought it was always common sense to read things before you sign them. Especially contracts, counseling statements and the like, hand receipts, DA 2062s, etc.
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Originally posted by CIGuy:
Wait... we all know that signing an NCOER doesn't constitute concurrence, simply a verification of the administrative data.
You probably can still make an appeal.... At least that's my take. Could be wrong though.


It's much much harder to appeal than to just discuss it and make adjustments before it's submitted.

Appeals must have legitimate reason for change- and the first thing the appeals people will think is "why didn't he/she talk this over with the rater, senior rater, and reviewer?"
Wow, you didn't realize a comment for college was in you report. That is your fault for signing it. I'm guessing your a young SGT and this is your first NCOER, so that comment will not hurt your career. Especially if it's your first. Just be sure to read you NCOER and understand it before you sign it. The appeals process won't help you unless you were a SSG competing for SFC but if that were the case you should be ashamed of yourself for not reading you NCOER. Just be sure to read your next one. You can always have input on NCOER with your rater during your quarterly counseling and in the end when you review it.
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Originally posted by sysalis:
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Originally posted by djbred24:
So, to answer the question, is taking college classes an excellent bullet?


I don't know much about NCOERs yet so please do not criticize me, but why should that alone bring the whole evaluation to an excellent?


There's more than one area in which you're rated. The whole NCOER it probably won't bring 2 up to a 1 unless he already 2 excellent ratings or so on.
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Originally posted by djbred24:
So, to answer the question, is taking college classes an excellent bullet?


Not by itself. IN MY OPINION.

Other Raters might decide differently, and some of it depends on how many excellents are already on the NCOER.

You don't want to stack the NCOER with all Excellents unless it's really deserved. So if you already gave an Excellent (or more) then I would say it definitely is NOT an Excellent by itself. But if you want to give an Excellent for one section and none of the other sections are stronger, that might be the one to do it.
That bullet could be used to support an excellent rating, but it does not automatically give you the rating. If you can combine that with another very strong bullet, then yes, I would say it would support an excellent, but that by itself would not come close to getting it from me.
Before completely jumping on this young sergeant we should clarify:

When you say you signed it - did you select the box in Part II - Authentication block d: "Concur with Rater and Senior Evaluations" or "Nonconcur with rater and/or senior evaluations (see attached comments)".

If you signed it and verified that your personal data was correct that is one thing. If you signed and clicked on concur then that is on you.

Officially nothing outside of the rated period should be in there. If for instance you got a DUI 2 days before your rated period began then that should not be included. Simple as that. So adding things from prior is incorrect.

Additionally, I assume you did not receive quarterly counselings on a DA form 2166-8-1. This would have been a perfect time to show your qualifications and schooling.

Are the courses you took annotated on your ERB? Have you taken your transcripts to the education center, gotten the memorandum declaring that they are non-repeated credits and brought this to your S-1 to have it added to your ERB? If not, then they are technically justified in not putting this down as you have not cleared the official military steps to show that you have completed these credits as well.
KSoler, hate to break this to you, but I am afraid a couple of things that you said are inaccurate.

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When you say you signed it - did you select the box in Part II - Authentication block d: "Concur with Rater and Senior Evaluations" or "Nonconcur with rater and/or senior evaluations (see attached comments)".


Those boxes do not belong to the rated NCO, they are completed by the reviewer.

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NCOER Part : IId - Reviewer concur/non-concur
Action Required: Reviewer’s concur/non-concur with Rater’s and Senior Rater’s evaluation:
- The reviewer has overall responsibility for ensuring the timely submission of an accurate DA Form 2166-8 in accordance with controls
established by the commander.
- Reviewer places a typewritten or handwritten (in black ink) “X” in the appropriate block, indicating concurrence or non-concurrence. NOTE:
Non-concurrence enclosure is mandatory (see para 3-6). Enclosures will not be used to add an additional concurrence to the report. The
reviewer will ensure the rated NCO is provided a copy of the non-concurrence enclosure.


Statement corrected.
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Originally posted by CW2 Pyro:
It has been a few years since I've and an ERB, but I am pretty sure that the ERB doesn't show anywhere on it the number of hours that you have completed, only DEGREES that you have completed (be it an assocites, bachelors, ect). As a rater, they should be aware of the classes you are taking (or at least know that you were taking classes).


Actually, chief, there is a location on the ERB for semester hours. I would upload a screen shot of that section of my ERB but AKO will not load my ERB for me.
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Originally posted by sysalis:
Obviously my S1 doesn't get the hint that I want my crap updated, because I have about 20 hours, but that's beside the point.


I say again: Are the courses you took annotated on your ERB?

If not, or if you ERB has not been updated; have you taken your transcripts to the education center, gotten the memorandum declaring that they are non-repeated credits and brought this to your S-1 to have it added to your ERB?

Unless things have changed so much over the last two years, these are the steps you need to perform before your S-1 is authorized to update your school credit hours on your ERB.
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Originally posted by KSoler:
If not, or if you ERB has not been updated; have you taken your transcripts to the education center, gotten the memorandum declaring that they are non-repeated credits and brought this to your S-1 to have it added to your ERB?

Unless things have changed so much over the last two years, these are the steps you need to perform before your S-1 is authorized to update your school credit hours on your ERB.


Oh, I have done this multiple times. My S1 just doesn't like to do work... -.-
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Originally posted by CrisTama:
When i updated my ERB i stayed there until they did it and ask for a copy of my ERB to make sure they actualy put what i needed to be put in.


I would do that if I had the patience to work with these retards. My orderly room clerk (who actually gets shit done) is switching with one of the S1 clerks so I think I'll wait until then to get it fully fixed. My deployment isn't even on my ERB and I've been back for over a year now. x.x
sysalis,

It is ultimately your career and nobody is going to take care of you as well as yourself. If you don't make the time to sit down with your S1 and ensure they do the work then your records probably won't be updated. If you are so busy-you can always submit all of your documentation to them through your training room and ensure that you use a DD Form 200 (Transmittal Record). Make sure your training room gets one as well and that it is filled out properly with the name, rank, signature, and date received up in the S1 shop. Give it about one week and have the training room check the status. If after the 2nd week your records are not updated, get your NCO support channel involved...that's what it is there for. Too many NCOs try to jump around their NCO support channel and then are pissed off when they don't get what they want. Every section, shop, platoon, company has an SOP-use it.
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Originally posted by SSG Chaney:
sysalis,

It is ultimately your career and nobody is going to take care of you as well as yourself. If you don't make the time to sit down with your S1 and ensure they do the work then your records probably won't be updated. If you are so busy-you can always submit all of your documentation to them through your training room and ensure that you use a DD Form 200 (Transmittal Record). Make sure your training room gets one as well and that it is filled out properly with the name, rank, signature, and date received up in the S1 shop. Give it about one week and have the training room check the status. If after the 2nd week your records are not updated, get your NCO support channel involved...that's what it is there for. Too many NCOs try to jump around their NCO support channel and then are pissed off when they don't get what they want. Every section, shop, platoon, company has an SOP-use it.


Thanks for the info.

My orderly clerk was just sent to the S1, well on Monday he is, and he's hooking me, and three others with an appointment to fix our stuff.

I'll keep that in mind (the DD Form 200) for the future though, thanks.
AR 623-3 and DA PAM 623-3. The reg talks about the reports and the PAM talks on how to fill it. The NCOER can be fixed since your signature does not constitute agreeing with it. The part about your school could merit an Exellent rating on the category used at the discretion of the Rater plus it is always good practice to include 3 strong bullets for an exellent review. In regard to the data that needs improvement it cannot be used if it is outside of the rating period. Hope this helps. Your S1 evaluations clerk can call the Evaluations section in HRC to make it easier on how to fix the problem, HRC is ussualy good at helping in these matters if approached correctly.

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